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White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said Wednesday that President Barack Obama doesn't plan to attend the funeral for Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.
Earnest said Obama and his wife, First Lady Michelle Obama, would "pay their respects" to Justice Scalia on Friday at the Supreme Court as he lies in repose. He said Vice President Joe Biden and his wife Jill planned to attend the funeral on Saturday.
"The President obviously believes it's important for the institution of the presidency to pay his respects to somebody who dedicated three decades of his life to the institution of the Supreme Court," Earnest said.
Scalia died Saturday at age 79 while on a hunting trip in Texas.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-wont-attend-scalia-funeral
seems fitting to me:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/three-conservative-supreme-court-justices-skip-state-of-the-union-2016/
oasis
(49,409 posts)pay homage to the guy who installed Bush ll, and with him, 9/11, Iraq War, economic downturn.
No tv either for the lying hypocrite Scalia.
Bucky
(54,068 posts)This is the perfect opportunity to show he's the leader of the whole country and appointing the best qualified replacement is his constitutional duty. Let the Grumpy Old Party of spoiled brats whine and politicize and anklebite all they want. Obama is the president everywhere he goes and should always play it classy.
randys1
(16,286 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Biden was ranking minority member of the Judiciary Committee when Scalia was confirmed.
Biden is a far more important figure to the life, memory and career of Scalia.
Given the likely attendance of this thing, there are legitimate security concerns about having them both there.
Bucky
(54,068 posts)I mean, come on, this is the 21st century. You think the Secret Service doesn't have silver bullets for these occasions?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I had thought of that.
But, seriously, where is this thing being held. Because it would have to be very, very, very secure. Even during the SOTU, there are people who are specifically chosen to be kept at a secure location *cough* Mt. Weather *cough* just in case something happens - and that's been going on a long time.
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)Thank you, Mr. President!
kairos12
(12,873 posts)F... them.
malthaussen
(17,216 posts)... but I've been a bit constipated lately.
-- Mal
JudyM
(29,279 posts)I don't live far...
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/02/16/466960553/scalia-and-leonard-nimoy-justices-death-spurs-conspiracy-theories
Rick Wiles: Obama Killed Scalia As A Pagan Human Sacrifice
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/rick-wiles-obama-killed-scalia-pagan-human-sacrifice
CincyDem
(6,386 posts)... BHO can't attend the funeral because, at the exact moment in which the priest says "unto you we commend his spirit"...BHO and Leonard Nimoy have to effectuate a Vulcan Mind Meld in the Washington Temple of the Illumanati.
I don't know...just what I heard on Rush.
LOL
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)burrowowl
(17,648 posts)Response to kpete (Original post)
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Orrex
(63,224 posts)WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)Four out of the past seven funerals for a Supreme Court justice have either had the president or vice president in attendance.
So not like the first time the president hasn't attended a USSC Justice funeral. Of course the Republicans and some in the MSM will attack him for this.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I won't attack him. Just say ad move for the road we are howing
Myrina
(12,296 posts)But Scalia was not Chief Justice. VP will be there to represent the Executive Branch. POTUS owes him nothing.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Well except to the country
This just further divisions and for nothing to gain
BeyondGeography
(39,380 posts)If anything, his attendance would be seen as hypocritical and inflammatory.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But whatever. It is getting to the point where this slow pace civil war will have to stop or go hot
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Civil war references (even a SuperBowl commercial had the audacity to reference it by word) since bush2 stole the office.
randys1
(16,286 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)the dems, while less guilty, are not completely without guilt on this one.
randys1
(16,286 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)sorry, people who are far more neutral than you in this, and observe congress and DC for a living do not agree with you. Sorry, tough, but Dems have a smidgen of responsibility on this one. And one way to show they really mean to end this, is attend a fucking funeral.
This has not one thing to do with scalia. but THE OFFICE he represents.
randys1
(16,286 posts)necessary
He has acted like a true professional and they have acted like traitors, period
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)who said recently that one of his regrets was the deepening partisanship? Oh wait, that was the president.
You want a hot civil war? Because that is where these slow cold civil wars tend to end up at.
randys1
(16,286 posts)for some, is it.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)goes a long way in political capital and good will. Not showing up is not going to look good.
The only reason the President, regardless of party, should not show is if the family made such a request, In which case, Josh Ernst should be a good press secretary and tell us.
This is not compromise, you confuse that, for being the adult in the room.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Joe Biden is much more significant, of the two, to go to this memorial, and I don't think we want the whole Supreme Court, a good chunk of the Senate, and the President and VP in one place at one time.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)even after they have said they intend to attack America
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)During the SOTU - held in the Capitol - there is one cabinet member who is kept in a secure offsite location, in case anything bad happens.
I don't know where this memorial will be, but if it is not in a facility as secure as the Capitol, then it is unlikely that they want Biden and Obama, along with the entire Supreme Court and a shitload of Senators in the same place at the same time.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but in this case you are justifying keeping the President out due to terrarists. By the way, in this case it would be more than just one cabinet member staying away from the funeral.
This is just terrible optics... imo, and helps none when you have a POTUS speaking about partisanship. Ok. Sir. take the first step and be the adult in the room. End pf discussion.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I think this is a huge mistake...
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Paladin
(28,273 posts)Scalia is worthy of only minimal measures of official respect.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Presidents, no matter personal feeings, must put those to the side.
ProfessorGAC
(65,191 posts)All that extra security, extra news attention, helicopters hovering while trying to hold a funeral mass?
I know Biden's going, but the VP doesn't create quite the stir the POTUS does.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Able was above, and the snipers were quite cuddly too
If the family requested it, fine. Have Josh Ernst tell us in no uncertain terms
ProfessorGAC
(65,191 posts). . .with Obama, and if that's any indication of what would have to happen at a family funeral, i'd just as soon he send his condolences and stay home.
Not that anybody in my family would warrant a presidential visit to a funeral, but i can see it being extremely disruptive.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)this is not about Obama, or Scalia, but the offices. And when you have Potus speak two weeks ago partisanship... this looks well... partisan.
Solomon
(12,319 posts)Obama is doing the right thing. Scalia doesn't deserve any respect from any black person. Neither did Renquist. Despicable racists.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but respect to the office. I know, this is hardly a point that should be made. But I fear in the current age we are to the point that we are indeed close to a hot civil war. I hope you enjoy it. I know I won't
deminks
(11,017 posts)onenote
(42,767 posts)He stopped attending during the Clinton administration and never attended another one.
And he was hardly alone in that regard. Ginsburg has only attended about half (admittedly in some instances health issues prevented her attendance). The great William O Douglas only attended once in his last ten years on the Court. Stevens attended less than 25 percent of the 30 or so SOTU addresses from 1965 until he left the Court. And Byron White attended two out of the last 25 SOTUs during his time on the Court.
Frankly, given what a partisan clap-happy fest the SOTU has become, I think its best that Supreme Court Justices not attend.
Yupster
(14,308 posts)They have become completely partisan where one side stands and cheers and the other sits on their hands.
The Supremes should stay far away from that.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)yup, sent to Congress in an envelope and that's it.
It could be released to the media at the same time
Yupster
(14,308 posts)It's become a partisan pep rally and the Supremes have no reason to be anywhere near a partisan pep rally.
Bigmack
(8,020 posts)... I think he should go. If only to show those motherfuckers that he has more class than them.
Also, it would be a big "Fuck you, Fat Tony, I'm still here and you are taking the Big Dirt Nap".
I've always thought Obama's biggest character flaw was NOT being able to say "Fuck You" to the people who truly deserve it.
WWJD.... What would (Lyndon) Johnson do? That fucker almost got me killed, but he sure knew the value of a good "Fuck You."
onenote
(42,767 posts)Nixon attended Earl Warren's funeral even though Warren was anathema to conservatives (remember the "impeach Earl Warren" movement)?
If Nixon could attend Warren's funeral, then Obama should attend Scalia's unless he is expressly and publicly asked not to attend by the family.
Solomon
(12,319 posts)And a good man. Scalia was neither.
onenote
(42,767 posts)A sizable portion of the United States thought Scalia was great. A sizable number thought he wasn't. And a sizable number don't know diddly squat about him. The thing is, while the first group might not support Obama, might hate him, he still is the President of all the people, not just those like him or that he likes.
If Obama is going to pay his respects by going to the wake, then the argument that Scalia doesn't deserve the President's respect falls apart.
As for Scalia being an associate justice, he was the senior member of the Court. And one day after the President gives remarks decrying the level of partisanship in the country is not the time to be skipping an opponent's funeral.
Reter
(2,188 posts)Warren wasn't good to right-wingers for the same mirror of a reason. But some look past political differences.
http://bluenationreview.com/justice-scalia-calls-notorious-rbg-almost-always-correct/
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Fat Tony didn't pull a Harry Lime.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,505 posts)Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)Only way to be sure.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)like in "Charade."
mountain grammy
(26,655 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,505 posts)trick to get all our bestest patriots in one place. So he can then swoop in with his Black Panthers Lives Matter goons and lock them all up in the Planned Parenthood ACORN camps.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Not to put too fine a point on it, but there are a lot of flaming shitballs in the world right now.
Or they can't get security together in time.
onenote
(42,767 posts)would be playing golf at the time of the funeral. I hope not. The optics of that would be bad.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)But his presence is disruptive to any event, and perhaps the family doesn't want a carnival.
(and by "disruptive", I mean in terms of media focus and security)
onenote
(42,767 posts)three days from now.
And giving a press conference decrying partisanship in DC and then playing golf at the time of the funeral of the senior member of the Court, even one who was your "opponent", sends a very muddled message.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Biden was on the judiciary committee when Scalia was confirmed.
This is quite a bigger deal for Joe Biden, frankly, who is likely to speak.
It is not ordinary to have the president and vice president both at a public event like this.
onenote
(42,767 posts)And Obama attended Walter Cronkite's funeral.
Again, he doesn't have to. But as I've said, if you want to be taken seriously when you decry partisanship, you better make it clear that there is good reason for not attending the funeral of an opponent. Otherwise you simply leave yourself open for criticism that you say one thing and do another. It's bad politics, that's all.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Biden was the ranking minority member of the Senate Judiciary Committee when Scalia was confirmed.
Insofar as which one is more important to the life, memory and career of Scalia, Biden is much more significant.
For security reasons, and given the likely attendance of this thing, you wouldn't want Biden and Obama in the same place.
onenote
(42,767 posts)The Pickney funeral was held at a sports arena that held 5500 people. The Scalia funeral is being held at a church that holds half that many and that has been used for high profile events attended by the President and/or other dignitaries numerous times and is used to dealing with security. Plus the Pickney funeral was open to the public -first come, first served. The Scalia funeral is invitation only.
And there is no reason that both Obama and Biden can't attend. They both attended Robert Byrd's funeral and undoubtedly Biden was closer to Byrd, having served with him from 1973 to 2010. Obama, who only served with Byrd for around four years, attended as sign of respect for a senior Senator not a close personal friend.
Again the point here is political tone-deafness. The repubs have overreached and have been put on the defensive for being so overtly partisan with respect to the Court. Under the circumstances, the smart political strategy is go above and beyond and attend the funeral. The point is to disarm the opposition. Instead, by skipping the funeral (and leaving the impression he might be golfing instead, whether or not that turns out to be true), Obama has allowed the conversation to change -- something that anyone could foresee happening.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)you do not decry partisanship and then duck this funeral. It is not because you respect, or not, the Justice who just passed. It is becuase of the office he represented.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)I'm sure the RW is a thousand times more critical than any DUr. The poor guy can't do anything without being criticized.
Monk06
(7,675 posts)to impede his leadership Including speaking out in public against his policies and legislative agenda
Fuck Scalia Let the Freepers morn their fake genious
The news produced a thread with 162 posts on FR
Not bad but not epic
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)Executive ability is deciding quickly and getting somebody else to do the work.
~~~~~~~Earl Nightingale
tabasco
(22,974 posts)I applaud Obama's decision.
onenote
(42,767 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)I couldn't give two shits.
Reter
(2,188 posts)And Bush was out of office for a year.
KatyMan
(4,210 posts)I don't know, nothing really.
How about going to Scalia's funeral?
Dang it! well, ok.
kimbutgar
(21,195 posts)Reter
(2,188 posts)What would Republicans do? They couldn't impeach him, since it's not a high crime.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Too many not polite folk out there to jeer and yell -- and a few media folk to scream questions.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)you just know Obama thought Scalia was a racist asshole
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Why should he go to the funeral.
mountain grammy
(26,655 posts)didn't particularly like the son of a bitch.
senz
(11,945 posts)I don't blame him.
Every time I hear any mention of Scalia's passing, I feel lighthearted and optimistic. He was nasty and hateful.
Orrex
(63,224 posts)Why in the world should Obama be expected to honor this vile sack of shit now that he's dead?