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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:43 PM Feb 2016

Let's play devil's advocate. A SCOTUS Justice has died. You're weighing attending his funeral.

Meanwhile, the Republican party issues a fatwa saying they are going to fuck your every move in every way possible if you even THINK of selecting a nominee before the end of your term in office.

I don't know about you, but I'd send Joe Biden while I came up with 100 ways to fuck them back.

I'm just silly that way.



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Let's play devil's advocate. A SCOTUS Justice has died. You're weighing attending his funeral. (Original Post) Miles Archer Feb 2016 OP
I'm not sure what you mean by fuck Bucky Feb 2016 #1
I couldn't disagree with you more. President and wife will attend the viewing, that's enough..n/t monmouth4 Feb 2016 #3
The President and First Lady will pay their respects at the Friday event at the Court pinboy3niner Feb 2016 #4
Hmmm. Presidents attended only 3 of the last 7 Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #5
Honestly, I was hoping the precedent was a 4-4 split... if just for the symbolism Bucky Feb 2016 #7
Why is he "above politics"? Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #8
Sure, agreed. But he's dead. Showing up isn't by any stretch endorsing his legal views. Bucky Feb 2016 #16
two of the funerals that were not attended by the President were held outside DC onenote Feb 2016 #23
now there's a fact worth noticing hfojvt Feb 2016 #38
The State of the Union is a ceremony as well malaise Feb 2016 #11
Liberal Justices did not attend Bush SOTU former9thward Feb 2016 #22
Scalia never attended an Obama SOTU address tabasco Feb 2016 #24
The point is both sides do not attend. former9thward Feb 2016 #26
I guess I'm one of those kooks who doesn't use Republican behavior as a social norm Bucky Feb 2016 #28
It's not good to have Biden and Obama in one place jberryhill Feb 2016 #25
Two wrongs don't make a right.... GumboYaYa Feb 2016 #2
Scalia was a hateful right-wing goon, clothed in judicial robes. Paladin Feb 2016 #6
I don't think Obama's not going out of pique. He's just being understated, as usual Bucky Feb 2016 #9
BS n/t malaise Feb 2016 #12
You really believe he did it out of spite? Egnever Feb 2016 #14
It's about Biden jberryhill Feb 2016 #27
Much more likely Egnever Feb 2016 #32
President Obama will get excoriated for it either way gratuitous Feb 2016 #10
Not several - every fugging one malaise Feb 2016 #15
A State of the Union address isn't even required SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #18
Article II Section 3 of the Constitution would disagree gratuitous Feb 2016 #35
True, but the president could submit it in writing Retrograde Feb 2016 #39
The Constitutional requirement SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #40
For the sake of the nation I am the adult in the room and I go nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #13
Why make it public? Egnever Feb 2016 #17
Because it would mean the family does not want POTUS to be present nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #19
That's kind of where I am, too SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #20
The way I see it, is that somebody has to start nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #21
Well said, Nadin. Aerows Feb 2016 #29
Seriously - no matter what he does, they'll whine. Myrina Feb 2016 #30
I think that President Obama should attend Scalia's funeral Trailrider1951 Feb 2016 #31
Fuck Antonin Scalia Solomon Feb 2016 #33
Scalia was a far right pos. rockfordfile Feb 2016 #34
Scalia is unworthy of any public respect, beyond what the president is showing him. Paladin Feb 2016 #36
understand that biden and scalia were on better terms than obama and the asshole dembotoz Feb 2016 #37

Bucky

(54,068 posts)
1. I'm not sure what you mean by fuck
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:48 PM
Feb 2016

This is a ceremony. The President should attend and it should have nothing to do with politics.

If it IS about politics, however, the president should absolutely attend. He's the president. No one should spook him out of attending any event anywhere in the country that he has been elected to lead. A member of the highest court has died. Friend or rival, the leader of all the people should be there to mark his passing.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
4. The President and First Lady will pay their respects at the Friday event at the Court
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:53 PM
Feb 2016
Earnest said Obama and his wife, First Lady Michelle Obama, would "pay their respects" to Justice Scalia on Friday at the Supreme Court as he lies in repose. He said Vice President Joe Biden and his wife Jill planned to attend the funeral on Saturday.

"The President obviously believes it's important for the institution of the presidency to pay his respects to somebody who dedicated three decades of his life to the institution of the Supreme Court," Earnest said.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027620084
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
5. Hmmm. Presidents attended only 3 of the last 7
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:55 PM
Feb 2016

scotus funerals. Not mandatory or traditional at all.

Bucky

(54,068 posts)
7. Honestly, I was hoping the precedent was a 4-4 split... if just for the symbolism
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:58 PM
Feb 2016

The point I think needs illustrating is that the President is above politics and is performing his consitutional duties by appointing the best qualified successor. If the Republicans whine about him doing his job, let it be exposed as them blatantly NOT doing theirs by obstructing the workings of the nations. If they lose decorum at the man's funeral... well let that be exposed too.

Bucky

(54,068 posts)
16. Sure, agreed. But he's dead. Showing up isn't by any stretch endorsing his legal views.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:06 PM
Feb 2016

What person in their right mind could possibly draw that conclusion?

When a high ranking officer of the government dies, we say goodbye to the man. But my point, as stated above, is that it would give the Republicans more of a chance to expose themselves as incorrigible brats. I doubt they'd disappoint.

But, of course, Obama's taking the more low-key track, doing his job quietly, avoiding the drama, and only focusing on the final outcome.

onenote

(42,767 posts)
23. two of the funerals that were not attended by the President were held outside DC
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:33 PM
Feb 2016

Of the last 4 Supreme Court Justices to have funerals in DC, the President attended three.

See how easy it is to spin these things? If you're going to give remarks decrying partisanship, then it makes sense to go the extra mile and not pitch a softball to those who would say the President says one thing but does another.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
38. now there's a fact worth noticing
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 12:43 PM
Feb 2016

although you cite no source.

To me that is the most important fact in any sort of dust up about whether the President should or should not attend this funeral.

malaise

(269,172 posts)
11. The State of the Union is a ceremony as well
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:04 PM
Feb 2016

so where was Scalia these past 20 years? Where were Alito and Thomas since Obama was President.
Obama is paying the respect needed by taking his wife to the Court for that ceremony

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
22. Liberal Justices did not attend Bush SOTU
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:28 PM
Feb 2016

In 2007 only four Justices attended (conservatives minus Scalia).

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
26. The point is both sides do not attend.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:47 PM
Feb 2016

Scalia did not attend Bush SOTU either. The SOTU for about 30 years now has been a political rally for the President. I am surprised any opposition attends.

Bucky

(54,068 posts)
28. I guess I'm one of those kooks who doesn't use Republican behavior as a social norm
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:50 PM
Feb 2016

Just because Scalia did it, doesn't mean it's right.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
25. It's not good to have Biden and Obama in one place
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:47 PM
Feb 2016

Biden was ranking minority member of the Judiciary Committee when Scalia was confirmed.

Biden is a far more important figure to the life, memory and career of Scalia.

Given the likely attendance of this thing, there are legitimate security concerns about having them both there.

GumboYaYa

(5,952 posts)
2. Two wrongs don't make a right....
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:52 PM
Feb 2016

Obama should be the bigger person and show some respect to the Supreme Court by attending Scalia's funeral. His decision is very disappointing.

Paladin

(28,273 posts)
6. Scalia was a hateful right-wing goon, clothed in judicial robes.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:56 PM
Feb 2016

I applaud President Obama's restrained showing of respect. It's far more than Scalia is entitled to.

Bucky

(54,068 posts)
9. I don't think Obama's not going out of pique. He's just being understated, as usual
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:01 PM
Feb 2016

He's a no-drama guy. That's his trademark. Attending the viewing at the Rotunda is paying respects. The reason I think he should go is really about marking his territory, and because it will trigger more childish antics from the nutjobs who dominate the opposition.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
14. You really believe he did it out of spite?
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:05 PM
Feb 2016

This president?

I find that very difficult to believe. This President has shown a willingness to sit with the enemey time and time again throughout his presidency.

I think it is much more likely Scalias partisan wife did not wan't him there. Or that he had other engagements already scheduled.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
27. It's about Biden
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:47 PM
Feb 2016

Biden was ranking minority member of the Judiciary Committee when Scalia was confirmed.

Biden is a far more important figure to the life, memory and career of Scalia.

Given the likely attendance of this thing, there are legitimate security concerns about having them both there.
 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
32. Much more likely
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 08:42 PM
Feb 2016

The idea he would not attend out of spite just defies any sense of his behavior throughout his whole presidency.

Not surprising people here buy into it though.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
10. President Obama will get excoriated for it either way
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:03 PM
Feb 2016

Considering Justice Scalia wasn't able to clear his schedule to attend several of President Obama's State of the Union addresses (required by that quaint old document, the Constitution), I think the president can give Scalia's funeral a miss.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
35. Article II Section 3 of the Constitution would disagree
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 12:28 PM
Feb 2016

"{The President} shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient . . ."

True, nobody's required to attend the State of the Union address, but the President is supposed to give one "from time to time." That requirement has come down in our day and age as the annual State of the Union address to a joint session of Congress.

Retrograde

(10,158 posts)
39. True, but the president could submit it in writing
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 01:39 PM
Feb 2016

The in-person state of the union address as we know it today came about with (IIRC) Wilson. Previous presidents just sent in reports.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
40. The Constitutional requirement
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:59 PM
Feb 2016

is for the President to provide information to Congress on the state of the union. There is no Constitutional requirement for it to be in person, as an address.

So no, Article II Section 3 of the Constitution would most definitely not disagree.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
13. For the sake of the nation I am the adult in the room and I go
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:05 PM
Feb 2016

it is that simple, Not about Scalia, but respect for the office.

I know this is too complex for partisans to understand, but this is just going to deepen the divisions in DC, and it is childish by the way.

Now if they were asked by the family to stay away, make that public.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
19. Because it would mean the family does not want POTUS to be present
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:10 PM
Feb 2016

which is their right, but would also tell the public this was a family request.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
20. That's kind of where I am, too
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:13 PM
Feb 2016

It's not about respect for Scalia as a person, it's about respect for his position as a justice of the SCOTUS.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
30. Seriously - no matter what he does, they'll whine.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 08:03 PM
Feb 2016

If he goes, they'll complain he didn't give the eulogy.
If he gives a eulogy, they'll complain he wasn't respectful.
If he's respectful, they'll complain he didn't seem sad.
If he's sad, they'll complain he's a wuss & attack him for showing up.

Why waste the time? I'm sure he's got other things to do, with grownups.

Trailrider1951

(3,414 posts)
31. I think that President Obama should attend Scalia's funeral
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 08:05 PM
Feb 2016

to show respect for the position Scalia held, if not the persona. It would also show respect for the family, while exuding presidential dignity.

rockfordfile

(8,704 posts)
34. Scalia was a far right pos.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:40 PM
Feb 2016

If the President doesn't attend, that's up to him to make that decision. It has nothing to do with "respect for the position".

Paladin

(28,273 posts)
36. Scalia is unworthy of any public respect, beyond what the president is showing him.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 12:34 PM
Feb 2016

Once again: Obama is out of fucks to give, at this stage of his presidency. I think he handled the Scalia issue just right.

dembotoz

(16,835 posts)
37. understand that biden and scalia were on better terms than obama and the asshole
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 12:42 PM
Feb 2016

only fitting that biden attend
and only fitting due to security that either biden or obama attend not both

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