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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLet's play devil's advocate. A SCOTUS Justice has died. You're weighing attending his funeral.
Meanwhile, the Republican party issues a fatwa saying they are going to fuck your every move in every way possible if you even THINK of selecting a nominee before the end of your term in office.
I don't know about you, but I'd send Joe Biden while I came up with 100 ways to fuck them back.
I'm just silly that way.
Bucky
(54,068 posts)This is a ceremony. The President should attend and it should have nothing to do with politics.
If it IS about politics, however, the president should absolutely attend. He's the president. No one should spook him out of attending any event anywhere in the country that he has been elected to lead. A member of the highest court has died. Friend or rival, the leader of all the people should be there to mark his passing.
monmouth4
(9,710 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)"The President obviously believes it's important for the institution of the presidency to pay his respects to somebody who dedicated three decades of his life to the institution of the Supreme Court," Earnest said.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027620084
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)scotus funerals. Not mandatory or traditional at all.
Bucky
(54,068 posts)The point I think needs illustrating is that the President is above politics and is performing his consitutional duties by appointing the best qualified successor. If the Republicans whine about him doing his job, let it be exposed as them blatantly NOT doing theirs by obstructing the workings of the nations. If they lose decorum at the man's funeral... well let that be exposed too.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Scalia was a horrible justice who made horrible decisions.
Bucky
(54,068 posts)What person in their right mind could possibly draw that conclusion?
When a high ranking officer of the government dies, we say goodbye to the man. But my point, as stated above, is that it would give the Republicans more of a chance to expose themselves as incorrigible brats. I doubt they'd disappoint.
But, of course, Obama's taking the more low-key track, doing his job quietly, avoiding the drama, and only focusing on the final outcome.
onenote
(42,767 posts)Of the last 4 Supreme Court Justices to have funerals in DC, the President attended three.
See how easy it is to spin these things? If you're going to give remarks decrying partisanship, then it makes sense to go the extra mile and not pitch a softball to those who would say the President says one thing but does another.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)although you cite no source.
To me that is the most important fact in any sort of dust up about whether the President should or should not attend this funeral.
malaise
(269,172 posts)so where was Scalia these past 20 years? Where were Alito and Thomas since Obama was President.
Obama is paying the respect needed by taking his wife to the Court for that ceremony
former9thward
(32,082 posts)In 2007 only four Justices attended (conservatives minus Scalia).
tabasco
(22,974 posts)former9thward
(32,082 posts)Scalia did not attend Bush SOTU either. The SOTU for about 30 years now has been a political rally for the President. I am surprised any opposition attends.
Bucky
(54,068 posts)Just because Scalia did it, doesn't mean it's right.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Biden was ranking minority member of the Judiciary Committee when Scalia was confirmed.
Biden is a far more important figure to the life, memory and career of Scalia.
Given the likely attendance of this thing, there are legitimate security concerns about having them both there.
GumboYaYa
(5,952 posts)Obama should be the bigger person and show some respect to the Supreme Court by attending Scalia's funeral. His decision is very disappointing.
Paladin
(28,273 posts)I applaud President Obama's restrained showing of respect. It's far more than Scalia is entitled to.
Bucky
(54,068 posts)He's a no-drama guy. That's his trademark. Attending the viewing at the Rotunda is paying respects. The reason I think he should go is really about marking his territory, and because it will trigger more childish antics from the nutjobs who dominate the opposition.
malaise
(269,172 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)This president?
I find that very difficult to believe. This President has shown a willingness to sit with the enemey time and time again throughout his presidency.
I think it is much more likely Scalias partisan wife did not wan't him there. Or that he had other engagements already scheduled.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Biden was ranking minority member of the Judiciary Committee when Scalia was confirmed.
Biden is a far more important figure to the life, memory and career of Scalia.
Given the likely attendance of this thing, there are legitimate security concerns about having them both there.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)The idea he would not attend out of spite just defies any sense of his behavior throughout his whole presidency.
Not surprising people here buy into it though.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Considering Justice Scalia wasn't able to clear his schedule to attend several of President Obama's State of the Union addresses (required by that quaint old document, the Constitution), I think the president can give Scalia's funeral a miss.
malaise
(269,172 posts)He hasn't been to the SOU in 20 years
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)Much less anyone being required to attend it.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)"{The President} shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient . . ."
True, nobody's required to attend the State of the Union address, but the President is supposed to give one "from time to time." That requirement has come down in our day and age as the annual State of the Union address to a joint session of Congress.
Retrograde
(10,158 posts)The in-person state of the union address as we know it today came about with (IIRC) Wilson. Previous presidents just sent in reports.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)is for the President to provide information to Congress on the state of the union. There is no Constitutional requirement for it to be in person, as an address.
So no, Article II Section 3 of the Constitution would most definitely not disagree.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)it is that simple, Not about Scalia, but respect for the office.
I know this is too complex for partisans to understand, but this is just going to deepen the divisions in DC, and it is childish by the way.
Now if they were asked by the family to stay away, make that public.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)That would be up to the family to do no?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)which is their right, but would also tell the public this was a family request.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)It's not about respect for Scalia as a person, it's about respect for his position as a justice of the SCOTUS.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)this state of affairs is pretty damn not healthy
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I agree with you.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)If he goes, they'll complain he didn't give the eulogy.
If he gives a eulogy, they'll complain he wasn't respectful.
If he's respectful, they'll complain he didn't seem sad.
If he's sad, they'll complain he's a wuss & attack him for showing up.
Why waste the time? I'm sure he's got other things to do, with grownups.
Trailrider1951
(3,414 posts)to show respect for the position Scalia held, if not the persona. It would also show respect for the family, while exuding presidential dignity.
Solomon
(12,319 posts)He was a racist asshole.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)If the President doesn't attend, that's up to him to make that decision. It has nothing to do with "respect for the position".
Paladin
(28,273 posts)Once again: Obama is out of fucks to give, at this stage of his presidency. I think he handled the Scalia issue just right.
dembotoz
(16,835 posts)only fitting that biden attend
and only fitting due to security that either biden or obama attend not both