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BTW, yes I think it is treasonous to do what the Republicans are doing.

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I think that bordering on treasonous is accurate.

I agree by the way.

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reducing our ability to fund the Pentagon.

and it pisses me off to no end what the pukies are doing and it really pisses me off that some of our citizens buy their shit hook line and sinker
If you are one of the 1%'s maybe it makes sense what the pukes are doing but for the rest of us it is TREASON and nothing less.

my apologies to the gawd's out there too

I'm a non-believer in all things god so I did it for the folks who are believers. I wanted to make a strong statement and that was how I chose to do it.


Peace

LOL

I feel for you up there

Practically, it amounts to something very like it.

and the bastards who practice it should be run out of town on a rail. IMO

Here is a link to that thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1104652

Sam

The Republicans aren't traitors. They want to change the complexion of the US from one of individual rights and liberty to rule of the 1%. They are liars, whores, sociopaths and scumbags. They are wallowing in stolen wealth, and are heartless and soulless, selfish shells of proto-humans who really think that conscience is a con and altruism some kine of commie plot. Not pleasant people. Not humane or caring people -- except about their own well-being. They are people who, if you see them coming, you want to rush and get the children inside.

But not traitors.

Call them what they are. Calling them traitors smacks too much of McCarthyism -- except if you're directing the accusation at actual traitors like Cheney and Novak and Rove and the rest of the cabal that outed Valerie Plame and deliberately ruined her efforts to track Iran's nuclear program. Those humanoid pustules committed treason -- as defined by George H.W. Bush. But the rest of the crew are douche bags, not traitors.

Just sayin'

Treason is defined as the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign. If that does not describe both the Tea Baggers and the "libertarians" I don't know what does. They are traitors and should be punished as such.

i bet we have some 1700's laws on this.

If this happens at year end the President would look heroic if he exercised his 14th Amendment prerogative and raised the ceiling by Executive order. Vote Democratic dump the GOP traitors!

and global corporations eventually own the commons, then are they really interested in the well being of the country and the majority of the people? When a president cuts taxes while lying a country into war, and a security network is outed that just so happens to monitor nuclear materials, wouldn't that be seen as being against the interest and security of the country?

Is our country being deliberately bankrupted so that it can be sold off? When norquist states he wants to drown government in a bathtub, then who is he hoping will usurp government's obligations to the people? For if the government becomes corporate controlled, then it no longer is people controlled.

When a party, just so they may gain power, blocks bills that help the people or bills that help build our failing infrastructure; then it seems, they have no interest in the well being of the country nor the security of the country. To intentionally cause harm to the country and the majority of the people, I thought we called them terrorists.

Technically...No...it's not treason as the rushpublican do control the House which is where the budgetary process is conducted. Should the shoe be on the other foot...like say a rushpublican president sends us in an illegal war and the Democrats regain control of the House and cut off funding for the war (oh crap...they had the chances and didn't)...point being that if the Democrats did have the spines (or maybe its the lack of them) that rushpublicans did, funding would have been cut. Would that have been viewed here as treason? Doubtful.

It's all about how your team does. When they win, you don't care how its done...the end justifies the means. If Americans want the economy to move forward then they should reject all rushpublicans this fall. The fact so many won't says how fucked up this country really is.

I've been saying that all alone. Why isn't the main stream media discussing this regularly? Oh I know, They all belong to big business and the 1%...they just ACT as if they're on our side. Really they want Romney to win so they will get big tax breaks etc.

All those ReThug politicians, big businesses and corporations are all rooting against our economy.
They are not hiring because they want this administration and our country to fail in order to eventually put more money in their own pocket. To hell with the people. THAT IS UN-AMERICAN!
We should push the meme that ReThugs are Un-American and traitors.

consumed.

Section 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiii#section3

It is a very narrow definition. I doubt that Wikileaks, for example, fits it. Assange did not levy war against the US or adhere to its enemies. Same regarding Manning. I don't think that was their intent or that they actually did help any enemies of the US or give them aid and comfort.

So, just because the Constitution narrowly defines treason doesn't mean that people follow that definition -- even our own government at times.

I'm here to learn and I love it when people back up their thoughts.

pure, unadulterated, polyunsaturated treason. Period. End of matter.

It's still not too late to retry them

However, in my opinion, those who purposefully block any help for the economy are betraying the people who are affected by that economy.

Sorry, but it just isn't treason. And it would be horrifically dangerous if it was.

Maher is a comedian and this is hyperbole to make a point, but who knows how many people will take this literally.

These are the times in which we live: The news organizations are jokes and comedians have to be debunked.

is absurd. fuck I hate this sort of idiocy.

It's so overused, it has virtually no impact anymore, at least with me.

your PRIMARY MISSION - as a public servant - is to quash an incumbent president's public service career - THAT'S treasonous behavior! But then, alot of things don't get labelled as they ought to be. We have a ONGOING terror attack being perpetrated on us citizens EVERY DAY - but nobody calls it for what it is. I'm speaking of the occupations and intimidations by gangs across this country - gangs based in foreign nations. And yet........ we've got soldiers probing dark corners of countries that DON'T foster gangs here, and pissing off their populace in the process. We've got war criminals and bank swindlers laughing at those they "served", and we're pusuing a wealthy lawyer for his sexual dalliances.

...about the economy or politics.

Speaking of strictly of our current President I would say they have to an extent. I'm sure the majority of us would agree with that. But then the majority of us don't run government. On the flip side we probably wouldn't call protesters who block a port or animal activists who expose factory farms terrorists.

plotting since January 2009 to overthrow the President of the USA. There should be something we can do.

out not obstruct it and I did not try to destroy the economy in what I did. They have done both obstructing the right to vote and working to destroy the economy. That is a direct threat to the wellbeing of the republic.

for the war. Some claimed that what I was doing, and what those in Congress were doing, gave aid and comfort to an enemy with whom we were engaged in hostilities. I viewed it as legitimate political activity. And that's the rub: what one side views as illegitimate, the other side views as legitimate. And that's reason to be very careful about opening the "treason" door.

what we did when we worked against the war. Even that we did not for the most part want our government to fall - just the war to end. I suspect that it is a very thin line between what is right and what is wrong.

we should all strive to push back with facts, not insults.

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They just came off childish. If they had quoted the constitution, it would have had some traction. Hard to do on twitter sure, but you know what I mean.

The definition of it is clear as day in the Constitution.

It may seem like it, but short answer...no.

Republicans have betrayed the American people, betrayed the trust given them by the electorate, and betrayed the spirit of the constitution. But that does not make them guilty of treason. It does, however, make them ass wipes and douchebags who should be voted out of office and forced to live -- without health insurance or pension -- in impoverished obscurity until they die of illnesses and painful conditions that a good health system could have alleviated.

Just a dream of mine!

If it were reversed and Dems were obstructing the economic growth of the country for political brinksmanship, Pubs would shit and fall back in it.

We need more outrage over something akin to Pub sedition and treason. They are totally party politics over the good of the country. Wholly owned subsidiaries of the big $$$$ corporations.

Tyrants.

the Repubs would be screaming "Treason!", I have no doubt.

the response to the Stamp Act, for example.

The left appropriation of the "everyone bad is a traitor" thing from the nut-right is one of the lower points in progressive history.

...and overt enough to warrant prosecution.

Ben Bernake sent $15 Trillion of American Money to prop up foreign banks....and not ONE newspaper in America mentioned it.

The treason runs far and deep.........

boycotts, like in South Africa or the Middle East.

If this is the standard of treason, it could very easily come back to bite you in the ass.

We need another Truman.

Wikipedia: "Do Nothing Congress"-
The Eightieth United States Congress was a meeting of the legislative branch of the United States federal government, composed of the United States Senate and the United States House of Representatives. It met in Washington, DC from January 3, 1947 to January 3, 1949, during the third and fourth years of Harry S. Truman's presidency. The apportionment of seats in this House of Representatives was based on the Sixteenth Census of the United States in 1940. Republicans gained a majority in both chambers for this Congress. The Democrats had the majorities in the previous Congress and they regained them in the next Congress.


The 80th Congress was nicknamed the "Do Nothing Congress" by President Harry Truman. The Congress opposed many of the bills passed during the Franklin Roosevelt administration. They also opposed most of Truman's Fair Deal bills. Yet they passed many pro-business bills. During the 1948 election Truman campaigned as much against the "Do Nothing Congress" as against his formal opponent, Thomas Dewey.

They didnt get the majority again until 1994.

Want to read what possible treason is- read Robert Draper Book: GOP's Anti-Obama Campaign Started Night Of Inauguration.
I view this as what is known as a Cabal. What is a Cabal? A cabal is a group of people which meets for the purpose of plotting something which is typically illegal or simply evil. Cabals have obviously been a part of human society for thousands of years, working behind the scenes to perform various political and social intrigues, ranging from assassinations to insider trading. As a general rule, when a cabal is outed, the results are catastrophic, as members struggle to conceal their involvement and the goals of their organization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabal

So, the entire Repuggish Party is basically a Cabal. Which in turn verges on TREASON.

Excerpt from Robert Draper book:"Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives."
According to Draper, the guest list that night (which was just over 15 people in total) included Republican Reps. Eric Cantor (Va.), Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), Paul Ryan (Wis.), Pete Sessions (Texas), Jeb Hensarling (Texas), Pete Hoekstra (Mich.) and Dan Lungren (Calif.), along with Republican Sens. Jim DeMint (S.C.), Jon Kyl (Ariz.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), John Ensign (Nev.) and Bob Corker (Tenn.). The non-lawmakers present included Newt Gingrich, several years removed from his presidential campaign, and Frank Luntz, the long-time Republican wordsmith. Notably absent were Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) -who, Draper writes, had an acrimonious relationship with Luntz. This is what a is called a conspiracy.

So, on January 20,2009 these 15 people gather to plot (conspire) an ends to a means to basically destroy American Society by means of showing united and unyielding opposition to the president’s economic policies. (Eight days later, Minority Whip Cantor would hold the House Republicans to a unanimous No against Obama’s economic stimulus plan.)

This truly is not how the American People expects their elected Officials to carry on this country's business, plotting and conspiring to under mine all economic policies and creating the specter of a National Default to carry out this conspiracy.

We the People require that these 15 individuals be required to answer to the American Citizens of this Nation as to what purpose it was to hold this secret (cabal) meeting, now exposed, exactly why they were plotting out ways to not just win back political power, but to also put the brakes on Obama's legislative platform, to the detriment of the American People. This is both ILLEGAL and EVIL

a group around before dimson invaded Iraq for no reason. I have read lots of their stuff has been scrubbed, but I might be able to dredge up some links.

Edit to add: Welcome to DU!

Thanks for the Welcome

in the meantime here are some links as well

http://www.google.com/search?q=PNAC&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm

googling for people unless they're too lazy. You're not, apparently.

Googling to help the discourse alone is the right thing to do; must have all sides of the Issues-the good; the bad; and down right Ugly!!

......prices prior to elections?.....keeping stress alive and well in a society is akin to profiting during the chaos of war fever......George Carlin stated it best by saying they don't give a shit about you, your family and loved ones if you are not a member of the wealthy club......many yrs ago my father stated that if you hang a sign stating members only, Americans will break their necks attempting to get through it.....it is truly sad that many believe the power over others is testament to their life's achievement....

It is the opposite of "liberty".

Treason, according to the US Constitution, is:

a) Waging war against the United States
b) Providing aid and comfort to her enemies

Blocking any help for the economy can be considered waging economic warfare against the US. And economic warfare is still war.

So yes, I would say that what the Republicans are doing is treason.

Such as the "War on Terror"

Put it out there into the national zeitgeist.

These assholes are promoting the destruction of America - just so they can make our President look bad and cost him reelection.

Now we elect them to office as republicans. How times have changed!

Indeed, since the end of the Civil War, there have only been a handful of convictions for treason and no executions. (It sometimes is reported that the six individuals tried for their involvement in Operation Pastorius during World War II were executed for treason, but in fact they were tried and executed for espionage and being enemy agents).

without favor, and to use the power of the lien to collect our revenue, spending unbudgeted funds on undeclared wars, hiring military contractors to commit genocide in oil rich countries, not swearing in on an oath of office yet conducting the people's business without authority.. not funding nor staffing regulatory bodies to insure that rule of law is not exacted, accepting bribes for legislative favor... there are many many ways to hold the leaders (both left and right) accountable for undermining the prosperity of America. These acts could be interpreted as aiding and abetting our enemies and therefore treasonous. An America that is not united and strong, that has lost its Democracy and rules of law that protect the lands for the people, by the people, has been undermined and enslaved by clever newspeak and nonsensical protections granted by members of a group of judges, congress members, and executive branch (Panetta, etc.) who do not love America, nor are they beholden to our constitution.

The fact that our trusting populace observes and lives with the stress of our leaders publicly denying our constitutional rights and privileges, and our mandated rules of law, with their careless and unreasonable demise of our regulatory mandated services demonstrates that those who were sworn in to uphold and protect the public interest have failed to do their jobs, intentionally and with disregard of who is hurt, including citizens.

If this is not treasonous, what is?

This constitution has been protected in the past. The fact that it is being dismantled and our country turned into a third world country certainly aids our enemies, and rewards those elected officials who have allowed these treasonous acts and who have not turned on their fellow lawmakers with the accusations needed to end this charade.

So Atlas Wept and while the right wing shrugged, we have leaders on our payroll who are cry babies too self absorbed and to rich to correct their errors.

Will nobody care to turn on the light and get us out of this place? Our middle class is crumbling under this zombie regime.

Part of the issue would be that the government lists it's enemies as friends. No question there are corporations and other organizational entities who wish to capture or destroy the US Government but the government sees them as partners and "stakeholders" so it doesn't work just on that count.

I grant no separation to inflicting financial damage in matters of war, they are legitimate targets and are as essential as munitions production as a tool of war but they are legally far from aiding and supporting a foreign government in their actions.

Stupid, evil, delusional, utterly misguided, even terrorist might work well though.