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still_one

(92,409 posts)
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 03:24 PM Feb 2016

If a caucus does not allow for absentee ballots, wouldn't that be discriminatory against those who

would have a problem getting to where the caucus is held?

I would like to keep this in the General Discussion area, so I would appreciate that no specific discussion of Democratic candidates is involved.

Thanks

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If a caucus does not allow for absentee ballots, wouldn't that be discriminatory against those who (Original Post) still_one Feb 2016 OP
It is discriminatory NobodyHere Feb 2016 #1
Just trying to understand. Thanks still_one Feb 2016 #10
Caucuses require people attend some times for hours. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #2
I guess it would be up to the party in that state. Is a caucus cheaper than a primary still_one Feb 2016 #11
Yes and no. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #12
Thanks. Nothing better is simple it seems still_one Feb 2016 #19
Lots of people work during caucus hours KamaAina Feb 2016 #3
Yes, it is voter supression scscholar Feb 2016 #4
Yes it does exboyfil Feb 2016 #5
Interesting, thanks still_one Feb 2016 #15
Caucuses are intra-party affairs; they can (and do) make their own rules. nt No Vested Interest Feb 2016 #6
This is one reason that BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #7
They're a bizarre process joeybee12 Feb 2016 #8
What Joey Said! ProfessorGAC Feb 2016 #14
Yes. Primary voting is much more inclusive than the caucus system. Nevada has only recently adopted Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #9
As a disabled person... DeadLetterOffice Feb 2016 #13
That was exactly the situation I was the talking about. still_one Feb 2016 #18
I could get there, probably... DeadLetterOffice Feb 2016 #20
Voting should be assessible to everyone. Appreciate your insights still_one Feb 2016 #21
Bernie's folks called the other day and hung up on me... TipTok Feb 2016 #16
Would like to avoid talking about specific candidates in this thread still_one Feb 2016 #24
Historical zipplewrath Feb 2016 #17
Caucuses are an organizing process, not an election nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #22
aren't delegates at stake as an outcome of a caucus? That makes it an election still_one Feb 2016 #25
They can be. But parties don't need to hold elections to nominate candidates nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #28
I am glad my state is not a caucus state bigwillq Feb 2016 #23
NO. To caucus means to meet with the group. It's not possible to meet absently. napi21 Feb 2016 #26
Yes, but... DeadLetterOffice Feb 2016 #27
and that was my question. People who cannot physically attend are discriminated from participating still_one Feb 2016 #29
Yes. SamKnause Feb 2016 #30
caucuses are exceedingly burdensome and unfair imo restorefreedom Feb 2016 #31
It sure seems to be the consensus in this thread, not that it will change anything, but I still_one Feb 2016 #32
yeah, i wish they would all do primaries....nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #33
+++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Feb 2016 #34
 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
2. Caucuses require people attend some times for hours.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 03:27 PM
Feb 2016

If the stte party desires voting instead, they hold a primary.

This is the political system we have. If you dislike how the party conducts the choice for presidential nominee in your state, get involved and work to change it.

The time to do that for the 2016 race was 2012 and before.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
12. Yes and no.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:12 PM
Feb 2016

If the state primary is early enough, it's much cheaper to stack it on a primary election promoted by the state. Otherwise, it's cheaper to pay for a caucus than to pay for an election.

So it comes down to whether or not to wait, have less of a voice, and let the state pay for it or hold it earlier and go on the cheap with a caucus.

Whether or not states hold primaries at all is also a state by state decision. Many that do hold them so late that the party MUST hold a caucus or pay for a special primary in order to seat delegates before the national convention. In the cases where a caucus determines the delegates, a primary held aftre is referred to as a "beauty contest".

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
5. Yes it does
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 03:28 PM
Feb 2016

That is a discussion my daughter and I had when we were caucusing.
Shut ins, those who have to work, those who have college classes, those who don't have transportation, those who have to watch children (we did have a baby or two), and even some high school activities were going on that night.

BlueMTexpat

(15,373 posts)
7. This is one reason that
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 03:44 PM
Feb 2016

I REALLY dislike caucuses. You must be physically present to vote in them.

One really strange thing about Nevada's system is that it ALSO has a primary, which will be on June 14, 2016. http://elections.mytimetovote.com/dates/nevada.html



ProfessorGAC

(65,191 posts)
14. What Joey Said!
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:20 PM
Feb 2016

It's an anachronistic piece of nonsense that might have had a place 100 or more years ago.

It's just silly and exclusionary, now.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
9. Yes. Primary voting is much more inclusive than the caucus system. Nevada has only recently adopted
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 03:49 PM
Feb 2016

their caucus system and this is only their second contested Democratic caucus. They switched from Primary style voting to expedite getting Nevada the earlier place in the process that it now has.

This is part of why Nevada is so very hard to poll currently.

DeadLetterOffice

(1,352 posts)
13. As a disabled person...
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:17 PM
Feb 2016

... I would find caucusing nearly impossible.
Am very grateful my state has a primary instead.

DeadLetterOffice

(1,352 posts)
20. I could get there, probably...
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:12 PM
Feb 2016

... but there's no way I'd last the day, especially in an open, noisy, crowded space, that may or may not have adequate heat and/or bathrooms.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
16. Bernie's folks called the other day and hung up on me...
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:32 PM
Feb 2016

... when I told them I was out of state military.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
17. Historical
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:01 PM
Feb 2016

Strangely, it's how representatives were initially chosen. Most of the folks at the continental congress, or the constitutional convention were chosen roughly this way. Folks would gather in pubs and have lively discussion. At the end they would elect people to go to the state level and elect folks to go to the "continental" level. In many cases, these folks went for in essence "one event" and had very specific instructions on how to vote.

Not saying it is how it should work in the modern world. I do think that some "socialization" of voting has value.

still_one

(92,409 posts)
25. aren't delegates at stake as an outcome of a caucus? That makes it an election
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:28 PM
Feb 2016

or at the minimum from reading some of the comments, a process which excludes anyone who cannot physically be present, which excludes some people

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
23. I am glad my state is not a caucus state
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:23 PM
Feb 2016

I work second shift and weekends. I would not be able to attend a caucus.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
26. NO. To caucus means to meet with the group. It's not possible to meet absently.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:33 PM
Feb 2016

Here's the definition of the word CAUCUS:

1. a meeting of the members of a legislative body who are members of a particular political party, to select candidates or decide policy.

synonyms: meeting, assembly, gathering, congress, conference, convention, rally, convocation
"caucuses will be held in eleven states"

•the members of a caucus.

2. a group of people with shared concerns within a political party or larger organization.

synonyms: members, party, faction, camp, bloc, group, set, band, ring, cabal, coterie, pressure group
"the conservative caucus"

DeadLetterOffice

(1,352 posts)
27. Yes, but...
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:36 PM
Feb 2016

... the question posed is whether caucuses are inherently discriminatory in their structure, and the answer to that is clearly YES.

still_one

(92,409 posts)
29. and that was my question. People who cannot physically attend are discriminated from participating
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:43 PM
Feb 2016

in a caucus

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
31. caucuses are exceedingly burdensome and unfair imo
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:47 PM
Feb 2016

any reason, from work, caregiving, illness, infirmity, housebound, etc etc could keep someone from caucusing. they should at least have a mail in option.

still_one

(92,409 posts)
32. It sure seems to be the consensus in this thread, not that it will change anything, but I
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:51 PM
Feb 2016

learned something about the caucus structure

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