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So, who do we want in 2nd place: Rubio or Cruz? (Original Post) brooklynite Feb 2016 OP
Cruz is the worst. nt ladjf Feb 2016 #1
I agree! RichGirl Feb 2016 #18
It all that talk about Religion running the Government. ladjf Feb 2016 #19
Cruz is a walking smorgasbord of mental pathologies. hifiguy Feb 2016 #23
My hope is that it will be between Cruz and Trump. That will play out as one of the nuttiest Rex Feb 2016 #24
Cruz. n/t GP6971 Feb 2016 #2
I want it to be fun, trump and carson LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #3
Trump's going to win the nomination davidn3600 Feb 2016 #4
Trump is insane; Cruz is demonic. Chemisse Feb 2016 #5
let's see still_one Feb 2016 #6
Cruz. Without a doubt. Meldread Feb 2016 #7
We need Cruz to place ahead of Rubio. It will be tougher in the weeks ahead with Bush now gone. LonePirate Feb 2016 #8
I say Cruz because even the Pub establishment hates him. napi21 Feb 2016 #9
Rubio is more sane than Cruz, and Nikki might be his veep flamingdem Feb 2016 #10
I think Nikki and Mario Funtatlaguy Feb 2016 #26
that is a scary ticket Amishman Feb 2016 #31
It will probably be a virtual tie tonight. GoCubsGo Feb 2016 #11
I agree... many have worried about Rubio/Kasich or Kasich/Rubio Blasphemer Feb 2016 #17
Jeb dropping out is the bigger story. tritsofme Feb 2016 #12
I'm more worried about rubio than cruz craigmatic Feb 2016 #13
see mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #36
the only way trump loses is if he actually tests out Gabi Hayes Feb 2016 #14
Cruz book_worm Feb 2016 #15
The Donald won't let Cruz win Politicalboi Feb 2016 #16
We don't know if dem or rep will win the presidency...so... RichGirl Feb 2016 #20
Not knowing isn't the same thing as a 50-50 shot FBaggins Feb 2016 #21
Hell no! Rubio is an establishment guy. EL34x4 Feb 2016 #27
Cruz, for electability CommonSenseDemocrat Feb 2016 #22
definitely cruz restorefreedom Feb 2016 #25
Since Trump wins any 3 way race and since the party leaders will accept Trump over Cruz, we want... MohRokTah Feb 2016 #28
Morton's Fork. But... Atman Feb 2016 #29
I suspect Cruz would be easier to beat. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #30
As we saw in the McCain/Palin team HeiressofBickworth Feb 2016 #32
Out of the entire dog(shit)pile we want Cruz to be the worst. CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #33
reince and the gop corporate mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #34
GOP mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #35
Cruz is the most dangerous of all Albertoo Feb 2016 #37
Cruz. Rubio is the most electable. nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #38
Simple math, we want who ever will beat Trump for the nomination. Bucky Feb 2016 #39
Cruz for sure. People are starting to think Robio normal nt Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2016 #40

RichGirl

(4,119 posts)
18. I agree!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:20 PM
Feb 2016

I think he has some kind of personality disorder. Anyone who wants to "rule the world" is dangerous.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
19. It all that talk about Religion running the Government.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:21 PM
Feb 2016

If you like the Government in Iran, you'll love the American Religion Government by Cruz.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
23. Cruz is a walking smorgasbord of mental pathologies.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:38 PM
Feb 2016

Megalomania, messiah complex, anti-social personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder, sadist, paranoid delusions, religion-based delusions, and that's just for starters.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
24. My hope is that it will be between Cruz and Trump. That will play out as one of the nuttiest
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:22 PM
Feb 2016

and worst runs in GOP history. It will be GREAT for Dems if it is those two nutballs. I think we would have a harder time if Jeb? had his dark money help him lead in the pols along with Rubio. Looks like Jeb? is done and Carson too.

Look for a 3 way fight between Rubio, Cruz and Trump. Maybe we will get lucky and have a triple threat match! The broken robot vs the reverse vampire vs the maniacal tycoon!

Chemisse

(30,814 posts)
5. Trump is insane; Cruz is demonic.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:51 PM
Feb 2016

So I'll say Rubio. He would be a horrible president of course. But I don't think we would wind up with a nuclear holocaust, so that's saying something.

Meldread

(4,213 posts)
7. Cruz. Without a doubt.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:51 PM
Feb 2016

We want a two way race between Cruz and Trump. That will virtually ensure that no matter who wins on their side that we are going to be going up against people that we can beat easily. Rubio will be more of a challenge. I don't want a challenge. I want to win the Presidency walking away with a landslide.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
9. I say Cruz because even the Pub establishment hates him.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:56 PM
Feb 2016

It seems the only group he has is the Evangelicals, so if he's the nominee, the rest of the party will stay home!

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
11. It will probably be a virtual tie tonight.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:04 PM
Feb 2016

That being said, Rubio is the most dangerous one of the two, because he appears to be the sane one. So, he's more likely to sucker people into voting for him. He'd probably choose fellow sociopath, Nikki Haley, as his running mate. She has already suckered friends of mine, who are normally intelligent liberals, into believing she's a decent person.

Blasphemer

(3,261 posts)
17. I agree... many have worried about Rubio/Kasich or Kasich/Rubio
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:18 PM
Feb 2016

But I think you're right that Rubio/Haley is probably more dangerous. If (and that's a BIG if) Rubio can win despite the fact that 55% of GOP voters have hitched their wagons to the completely insane, he will have avoided moving so far to the right that he can't slink backwards and pretend to be moderate in a GE fight.

tritsofme

(17,394 posts)
12. Jeb dropping out is the bigger story.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:05 PM
Feb 2016

His supporters and his money are likely to gravitate over to Rubio and help him going forward.

mgmaggiemg

(869 posts)
36. see
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:58 AM
Feb 2016

you do think like a republican...you know reince and GOP corporate crew were waiting for SC so they could push Rubio and Haley as vp....TRUMP FOR GOP PROM QUEEN....they deserve him

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
14. the only way trump loses is if he actually tests out
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:10 PM
Feb 2016

one of his axioms and shoots somebody outside Trump Tower

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
16. The Donald won't let Cruz win
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:17 PM
Feb 2016

He'll take him to court over his citizenship. I think it's going to be Donald Dump.

RichGirl

(4,119 posts)
20. We don't know if dem or rep will win the presidency...so...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:22 PM
Feb 2016

If I had to choose one it would be Rubio. He's the most sane in the bunch.

FBaggins

(26,756 posts)
21. Not knowing isn't the same thing as a 50-50 shot
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:41 PM
Feb 2016

I agree that a president Rubio is probably less painful that a Trump or Cruz, but a candidate Rubio is more likely to beat us.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
27. Hell no! Rubio is an establishment guy.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:48 PM
Feb 2016

With a Republican congress, they'll rubber-stamp everything he asks for and he'll sign everything they give him.

Honestly, I'd rather have Trump. When you ignore the Mexican wall that will never get built and look at his actual policies, he's not really all that conservative. He's not a Bible-thumper. He's not much of a So-Con. I don't see him signing any anti-gay or anti-choice legislation. He's not going to mire us in pointless wars halfway across the globe. Some of his tax proposals might actually be considered progressive, as are his views on health care.

On top of all this, he's loathed by the Republican establishment. They'll do what they can to stonewall him but the sentiments are mutual.

Cruz? Forget it. That guy is as slimy as they come.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
28. Since Trump wins any 3 way race and since the party leaders will accept Trump over Cruz, we want...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:48 PM
Feb 2016

Cruz in second place for now, then let it flip back and forth between Cruz and Rubio for a while.

Trump is the easiest to beat. We could by gosh put Texas into play with Trump up there!

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
32. As we saw in the McCain/Palin team
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:34 AM
Feb 2016

the choice of VP running mate is extremely important. Trump could decide that he's bored being Pres and abdicate in favor of the VP. Or croak in his first term. Yikes!!!

As in the case of McCain/Palin, the crazy bitch drove away even the most conservative voters. She was just too bat-shit crazy for even them. You know what they say, a heartbeat away from the presidency.

So what do we hope for? That if nominated, Trump loses. However, we have also seen in recent history, cases where the election was clearly stolen (2000, 2004) so Trump's (or the GOP's) choice of a running mate is critical. We don't want another total train wreck for president.

Cruz is a megalomaniac who wants to bring god into the government
Rubio is a light-weight, who I suppose could be easily manipulated by right-wingers.

So, no on both of them. Not sure who that leaves as I think of the Republican field a total disaster.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
33. Out of the entire dog(shit)pile we want Cruz to be the worst.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:48 AM
Feb 2016

Cruz is dangerous. Trump is a fool and the rest of the clowns are what they are.

mgmaggiemg

(869 posts)
34. reince and the gop corporate
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:53 AM
Feb 2016

party are going to push Rubio with Haley as VP endorsed by Romney ...that's their plan...Trump for GOP Prom Queen....because the republicans deserve him

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
37. Cruz is the most dangerous of all
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:03 AM
Feb 2016

Radical angry bigot. When he smiles, he looks as if he just bit in a lemon.

Bucky

(54,041 posts)
39. Simple math, we want who ever will beat Trump for the nomination.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:11 AM
Feb 2016

Clinton will probably get the Dem nomination

Trump would clobber Clinton in the general election. Clinton's best chance is to run against Cruz or Rubio. Obviously Cruz would be the easier to beat, but Cruz can't get the nomination over Trump.

If Cruz drops out of contention, Rubio could conceivably win over Cruz's supporters, the hard crazy Christian right. He's still got Tea Party cred and has backtracked on his brief flirtation with responsible public policy on immigration issues.

But if Rubio falls to a hopeless 3rd place and has to drop out to try and stop Trump, there's simply no way Cruz could pick up Rubio's support. Trump would take at least half of Rubio's support and all of his big endorsements.

So my answer is Rubio. He's not to be underestimated as a campaigner, despite a few notable flubs in the early going. But this is the same country that elected Reagan. He's to be feared, but I'd give Clinton at least even chances in the popular vote. And if all goes right, the electoral college would provide Clinton with a sort of "fire wall" (if I may coin an original phrase) to stop her opponent.

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