A Woman outside her home was shot and is in critical condition.

A Father and Son were killed at a car dealership.

Four people were killed, in their car, at Cracker Barrel parking lot. A fifth person, a 14 yr-old girl was also shot and is in critical condition.

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This isn't my worst nightmare, though. We here were all safe, our kids and grandchildren were safe, practically as likely to have an airplane fall on them as be killed in one of these incidents. Now, if you have an unstable, hostile relative or close neighbor, the danger rises.

But for most of us, how about one of those scary car trips to the grocery store? Watch out for the intersections, people -- they're death traps!

Perspective's good.

Thanks for the common sense in a thread full of the lack of it.

I have no problems with "perspective"

Guns kill - that's their sole purpose

I could be wrong. I hope I'm not.

get a cozy cell... I guess we need more guns?

would you?

I guess if the Uber driver had forgotten to use his turn signal like Sandra Bland, or if he was driving a car with a broken tail light like Walter Scott, or maybe if he had decided to sell a cigarette or two to one of his passengers, a couple of Lucy's like Eric Garner, he would have been considered more dangerous and would have been dealt with swiftly by hanging, choking, or shots in the back. This driver only drove around shooting and killing people at random, and as you say he's white, so that makes it different, he deserves to be taken in without incident.

Roof or whatever the eff his name is, not touched at all. And all those innocent people dead. I could just scream.

What an effed up justice system we have in this nation. Racism is alive and well and we need to do something about it. I am so glad that Black Lives Matter protesters have taken up the cause, but feel they should be joined by every decent citizen in this country. This blatant racist justice system has to be corrected ASAP.

Way to go America!

My heart goes out to the families of the victims.

but they say she is still alive. Good wishes for her to continue to live and improve.

She was thought to be dead, but turned out to be alive, but has since died.

There's been all sorts of talk but the last I heard is that she is "clinging to life." I hope she pulls through

...Less/weaker gun laws will keep us safer and Trump will make a good president...I seriously think republicans are mentally ill.

Add to that...they vote on issues like homosexuality and abortion...things that don't have to effect them personally...and seem unconcerned that their paychecks keep getting smaller and smaller...healthcare cost, taxes get bigger and bigger. STUPID people!

And...Trump filed for bankrupcy FOUR times. Isn't it common knowledge that bankrupcy is failure NOT success???

and not one of them took a shot at him. What good are they?

All those good Michiganders with guns, proudly exercising their Second Amendment rights!

Our local RKBA gun nutters will tell you this is why concealed carry and no gun free zones are necessary, so that a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun.

This fat piece of trash drove all over town killing innocent people in one location after another. Yet no concealed carrying 2d amendment RKBA brave hero appeared at any time to stop him.

My theory is because it was a middle aged white guy doing it. Professional courtesy required, since every RKBA nutter I've ever met is a middle-aged white guy.

is the shooter was the only one shooting that holds a CCW.

And another reason I don't like concealed carry laws . . . the guys most likely to pack heat in public are the angry, short-tempered, quick to take offense middle aged white guys. You know the ones, with big trucks and small dicks.

I am from Texas. I know who carries guns to Walmart. I grew up around them. In my day they threw punches and started fights randomly in bars for fun. They're especially dangerous when their viagra runs out.

Now they have glocks.

Yeah, we totally believe you.

sounds like most cops.

at least there is some mechanism for accountability, however imperfect, with cops.

Your average gun nutter is someone who ****wishes***** he was a cop because he feels inadequate and wants power over other people (especially people of color and women).

In fact if you read the RKBA threads on DU you soon discover that many of our local nutters have delusions of law and order authority and believe that their carrying guns into stores and restaurants and churches and schools will "protect" people.

Yeah, hey nutters, if you believe that, maybe you should take the damn police exam. I'd like my protectors to be licensed and trained thank you. All the evidence shows your concealed gun is a bigger danger and threat to everyone around you (and yourself) than it is ever likely to be successfully used in defense.

Would be interesting to see the percentages of those holding CCWs who consider themselves as having law enforcement authority.

You do realize that's the assumption used by NRA and ALEC for authoring legislation designed to proliferate guns into every corner of society, yes?

of successful DGU's every year?
And I noticed that you, along with the other poster, haven't provided that evidence that he claims is out there, perhaps you can?

Time to step up and put your money where your mouth is Hoyt.

a house full of them.

The CDC simply pointed to other studies of DGUs and pointed out the flaws in their methodology. Rather than simply repeating NRA/ammosexual talking points, you might want to actually read the study you are referencing.

country, and the homicide rate by firearms has halved since the 90's, while firearm ownership has greatly increased in the country.

And what's with the sexual references by controllers? What do you think it proves?

However many of them that are alleged to exist don't come within a cab ride of proving the myth that guns make people safer. You also conveniently ignore that the gun death rate in the US is still higher than virtually every single first world country.

The reference wasn't intended to prove anything other than the utter ridiculousness of those who carry the water of creme-de-la-dum, Wayne LaPierre.

in Japan, which has all but a virtual ban on firearm ownership, their suicide rate per capita is higher, they just find different ways to off themselves.

And, again, there are thousands of DGU's in the country every year, a DGU can consist of just showing a firearm to prevent a crime, like an assault, robbery, etc, which may not even get reported.

At least you didn't include a sexual reference this time, you're making progress.

brandishing is a felony. No wonder it is not reported.

if you are not injured, shot at or any number of variables.

to protect yourself, then I doubt you'll need those lawyers.

it depends on your paint job.

if you have a white paint job, then what I said is true, but if you have a black or brown paint job, then you better have lawyers on retainer.

correlation does not equal causation. There are some powerful stats that can show some causations, but have never seen them used on this problem. Too many variables. Better and faster medical care, less cocaine, changes in the methods of measuring "homicide rate.....etc.....etc..

I've heard Ted Nugent making the same argument

that more firearms does not equal more crime, as is frequently asserted here.

category.

Notice I said allegedly? But that was also reported by a witness also, funny how you leave out that little detail, but that's par for the course from you.

I have, and never will, support Zimmerman and what he did that tragic night, and no, I don't like Kel-Tecs, but even if I did, so what?

support Zman because they can see themselves screwing up and shooting an unarmed kid.

you're nothing more than what you claim firearm owners are.

he is talking about. In fact a NRA Board member and spokesperson for millions of gun owning members

who can't wait to shoot unarmed black people, which makes him exactly what he claims firearm owners are.

I'm so happy that they are not here for me anymore...

If I want to be abused, I can always go into GD-P and pick a side.

"with big trucks and small dicks" that do all the killing in Chicago? Its white people who are on the south and west sides of the city where most of the murders take place? You think gangs are not carrying in public? I would like to take you for a tour ....

...and you hear gun shot and screaming...then you see someone with a gun...how are you going to know if he is the shooter or another "good guy with a gun" just like you??? It would turn into a blood bath.

If you're a mythical "good guy with a gun," you better have the presence of mind to have placed your firearm on the ground, before the cop cars roll up. Otherwise, you may end up as part of the body count.

I just don't understand republican gun owners. If I wanted to protect my family, I would want the strictest possible gun laws so that the TYPE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE A THREAT TO MY FAMILY wouldn't be able to get a gun so easy. I mean, an arsenal of guns at home can't protect your family if there's a shooting at a school, or mall etc..

Republicans don't think. Information goes in their ears (from FOX, NRA, etc) comes out of their mouth without passing through their brain.

Your last two sentences might displease a certain type.

race bigotry and homophobia gets passes from juries if it is used in an anti-gun context.

I'll arrange to protect the delicate sensibilities of gun owners on anonymous internet forums if those gun owners will agree to submit to a publicly available national gun registry database.

Short of that, I don't really care if gun owners have their feelings hurt, no matter how desperately they try to frame the issue as racism or homophobia.

I will not use slurs based on race gender color Creed sexual orientation etc regardless of the context. I will not tolerate nor will I condone those who choose to use such slurs regardless of context.

In return I will continue to support punishment of those who abuse their rights to the detriment of others.

In my view anyone who has the situational ethics to use such derogatory terms "only" in certain cases is, at best, a bigot in denial if not actually a hypocrite.

Speaking as a demographically average white male, I find it impossible to give priority to the incidental and trivial verbal injury that you (and other gun advocates) claim to find so unbearable. I have seen that silly complaint many times over, and in every case it has been a ploy to distract from the actual issue. Namely, that guns facilitate mass murder in part because gun advocates passionately resist any and all serious efforts to curtail such violence.

It is a preposterous attempt to recast gun advocates as the actual victims, notwithstanding the actual blood of the thousands upon thousands upon thousands of men, women and children murdered by gunfire.

So forgive me if I don't get upset when someone refers to an "ammosexual," especially when that label is the result of frustration at gun advocates' generally nonchalant attitude following the mass shooting du jour.

Get your fellow gun advocates to sign onto to a publicly accessible national registry of gun ownership, and then I'll get to work

we have to be considering our opponents.

You can keep your registration - don't worry about us. We are doing just fine.

who, unlike CCWs, are supposed to protect society; it took them six hours to locate and apprehend the shooter. What good are they?

If the answer is "no" then they were exactly the way a good chunk of the American people want them.

If I had suggested that a good chunk of the American people want CCW permit holders dead, then the delicate gun advocates would race to hit the Alert button.

Why, in your estimation, is it ok to shit on the bodies of these victims not even 24 after they were murdered?

misrepresenting what krispos42 meant, the latter I suspect.
He meant that a good chunk of the American people want Americans disarmed, not dead.

And you controllers can't wait to crap on and vilify all firearm owners when a shooting happens, so that stones and glass houses saying apply here.

A significant percentage of the American population thinks that concealed-carry should be outlawed, or only allowed for a very few people meeting exceptional conditions, such as bodyguards and private investigators and jewelers and such.

If nobody that was killed had a CCW permit, then they were exactly as armed as that significant percentage of Americans thinks virtually everybody should be: without firearms.



I didn't bring up Michigan's CCW permitees, and neither did the original poster. safeinOhio did. He/she is is basically trolling, wondering where all of Michigan's permitees were, and why weren't they out there acting like cops or vigilantes, which is the stereotype of the tiny-penised gun-nut. One could presume that safeinOhio's point is that MORE people in Michigan need to become CCW permitees.

Since I'm somewhat familiar with his/her viewpoint, I'm pretty sure that's not what is being advocated for.


I'm not saying that the people deserved to die. Far from it. But that's not the issue, either. As a public safety issue, some people think that the overall damage to society from CCW permitees is greater than the overall benefit to society from them. Therefore, public safety is generally increased by not allowing concealed-carry. In other words, the damage caused by a slight increase in violent crime on people out-and-about (such as this incident) is less than the damage caused by gun-slinging micro-penised vigilantes fighting it out over parking spaces or whatever (the permitee who shot at a car fleeing Home Depot, for example).

I personally think it's not really an issue; even in states with a gung-ho gun culture only one person in 20 has a permit, and you know that far less than that carries routinely.

Our local RKBA crowd should hold him up as a hero.

Show one post where anyone here is loving a "good mass shooting".

Want to edit or self delete.

anyone can own a gun, in some twisted minds, means they can use that gun to kill and one day they do just that, because they feel like it. They don't need no damn "well-regulated militia."

entitled to murder somebody. They may not be conscious of it themselves, but I think that's what many people believe, deep down.

It seems the "well-regulated militia" line would be a sign of support for gun control. Even if one believes the 2nd amendment gives individuals a right to own guns it seems the 2nd amendment also supports the idea that individual ownership would come with strict rules regarding that ownership.

there's just no appetite from the majority of the American public for strict restrictions of firearm ownership.

openly carrying a gun, wielding a gun, and becoming a mass murderer.
No matter what gun advocates say. I would never hang around somewhere someone is openly carrying, just hoping they are not going to get it in their heads to shoot someone.

This is becoming an epidemic.

Isn't that the truth

before the shooting happened (about this driver) was removed. They could have at least tried to stop this.

At the micro-level, the pen is not actually mightier than the sword.

You know, because "white". And "real gun with multiple victims".

Play with a pellet gun in a near-empty park while black and the "Police" are allowed to gun you down without a warning (don't care what their bullshit report says). Oh, and half the internet blames the 12 year old for his own death.

Funny how America works. Or not.

Why, oh dear fucking God WHY does the right wing nut-o-verse persist in this myth??

HE WAS SHOT IN 0.79 SECONDS. I dunno, is a confused 12 year old all of a sudden the fastest draw in Northeast Ohio?

If so, they have not seen the video.

My comment was in reference to the "taken into custody without incident".

Sometimes you just have to squeeze off a couple of rounds to make sure the Second Amendment stays strong and healthy

The problem isn't guns, it's crazies with access to guns.

Why is it some cannot add the gun into the equation no matter how obvious the cause of death?

What is it with these Trump supporters? Well they took him alive, so maybe we will get to hear why he did it.

Not sure what it means

I would never use Uber.

Same here

who got a gun and the cops didn't take it away from him when he was shooting imaginary pixies at home.

It sure is fun having a shill for gun makers dictating our civil law to us.