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loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:56 PM Feb 2016

It’s Time for Welfare Reform Again

If Hillary said, "I was wrong, I helped break it, therefore I know how to fix it" and combined it with a prison divestment plan, I might regain some respect.

Bernie hasn't delved into this either, but I hope he will.

In 1992, Bill Clinton ran for president promising to “end welfare as we know it.” In 2016, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders should promise to bring welfare back.

Thus far, they are doing no such thing. Neither Clinton nor Sanders has a welfare-reform proposal, despite the raft of options they have floated for helping lower-income families. Neither Clinton nor Sanders brings up welfare when discussing what good they would do for the poor. Neither campaign even bothered to get back to me when I requested comment for this piece. But our broken welfare program has left hundreds of thousands of people in extreme poverty, living on less than $2 a day per person. A battle between a fiercely progressive presidential candidate and an only slightly less fiercely progressive presidential candidate has somehow managed to overlook and avoid confronting the ragged hole at the very bottom of our safety net. This is a policy outrage and a moral blight.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/02/bring-welfare-back.html

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dimple

(56 posts)
1. I see growing support among think-tank types for a UBI
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:40 AM
Feb 2016

and I've read that it's something the British Labour Party is looking into. If automation is going to eliminate 75 million American jobs in 20 years, isn't UBI something we should be looking into?

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
9. Nice RW talking point
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:01 AM
Feb 2016

I suppose you think there are thousands if not millions of women getting pregnant in order to increase the size of their welfare checks. Or maybe eugenics makes sense to you? A lot of "progressives" thought they were being humanitarians when they supported serilizing people with disabilities, poor people, and especially people of color involuntarily. Other progressives believe they are being helpful when they buy into RW frames and offer condescending "solutions" to invented media friendly narrative that demonizes poor women.

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
10. Why did you have to play the "RW talking points card?" I meant no such thing...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:14 AM
Feb 2016

you are WAY out of line.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
11. Are they negligent, stupid, or getting pregnant willfully to their detriment?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:30 AM
Feb 2016

Or, maybe they are working 2 jobs and still living in poverty while their kids suffer when they don't get help with their homework, etc. Family planning has absolutely nothing to do with improving the 3% unemployment 19% poverty reality for families with existing children.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
14. Except it isn't
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:07 PM
Feb 2016

it's a stereotype.


And more than 90 percent of low-income single mothers have only one, two, or three children.

Although most portrayals of poverty in the media and elsewhere reflect the experience of only a few, a significant portion of families in America have experienced economic hardship, even if it is not life-long. Americans need new ways of thinking about poverty that allow us to understand the full range of economic hardship and insecurity in our country. In addition to the millions of families who struggle to make ends meet, millions of others are merely one crisis — a job loss, health emergency, or divorce — away from financial devastation, particularly in this fragile economy. Recently, more and more families have become vulnerable to economic hardship.

http://www.nccp.org/faq.html


 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
16. Ok...we will have to disagree on this issue...on a more friendly note....
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:53 PM
Feb 2016

I notice that your screen name is Loyal Sister. How many sisters do you have? I have two, one that I like
and one that I don't. lol

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
6. What do you think it is? UBI is one term, another is Basic Income Gaurantee or BIG or National
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:45 AM
Feb 2016

Minimum income....
The Basic Income Guarantee (BIG) is a government ensured guarantee that no one's income will fall below the level necessary to meet their most basic needs for any reason. As Bertrand Russell put it in 1918, "A certain small income, sufficient for necessities, should be secured for all, whether they work or not, and that a larger income should be given to those who are willing to engage in some work which the community recognizes as useful. On this basis we may build further." Thus, with BIG no one is destitute but everyone has the positive incentive to work. BIG is an efficient, effective, and equitable solution to poverty that promotes individual freedom and leaves the beneficial aspects of a market economy in place.

The term BIG is more specific than terms like income maintenance or income support, which refer to any kind of program designed to aid those with lower incomes. The Basic Income Guarantee differs from existing income maintenance programs in the United States and Canada in that it is both universal and has no work requirement. It is therefore, very simple and easy to administer. It helps the working poor, single parents, and the homeless, without placing anyone under the supervision of a caseworker.
http://www.usbig.net/whatisbig.php

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
7. That's what I thought....and who's going to pay for this? nt
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:39 AM
Feb 2016

In addition...wasn't Mr. Russell an ardent Socialist? We all know how that has worked out in the past.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
12. Boy does that sound like a perfectly dreadful idea
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:33 PM
Feb 2016

I see two problems aside from the ongoing and growing cost.

1. It would make the lower class permanent as kids growing up in a family where no one has ever worked and everyone waits for a check each month. It will be near impossible for kids in that family to break that cycle. It would doom millions of kids to a life of hanging out and just getting by. The social problems that would come with that we already know.

2. Workers in lower paid jobs would be tempted to quit. Why work for $ 8 an hour when my brother plays video games all day and gets $ 7.25 from his government check. Just screw it.

There are bad ideas and bad ideas, but boy is this a bad idea.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
15. Tie it into corporate welfare reform which needs to be cut drastically
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:48 PM
Feb 2016

So many concessions are given to corporations in order to attract them to communities without evaluating the long term costs. Wal-Mart is a favorite target in this but too often corporations are given tax breaks or favorable zoning changes to allow them to build in areas that do not really want them which often lowers the proper values immediately around the mega-stores.

No requirements are made that the corporations pay their workers enough that the community will not be burdened with additional welfare, food and housing subsidy costs. In addition the large corporate stores drive the local companies out of business and take the profits out of the area.

This creates a triple hit - not only are the real estate taxes lower, average local income is less, and the local community is not having the profits reinvested locally.

Communities need to take these factors into account when corporations from outside come in and ask for concessions. If a community does as Washington DC tried to and requires that the corporations pay higher hourly rates, provide full time employment with benefits, pay their full share of local taxes, then more of the corporate profits would be reinvested into the communities rather than being removed.

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