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Can a SC seat be filled temporarily by recess appointment? (Original Post) Ken Burch Feb 2016 OP
Yes~ MADem Feb 2016 #1
There's the option of putting in a new interim justice every recess, then. n/t. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #3
We haven't had any recesses in awhile. This is a new thing. MADem Feb 2016 #8
the prob is the trick whereby the senate never goes into actual recess nt msongs Feb 2016 #2
They screwed up. They are in one NOW--until close of business today in fact. MADem Feb 2016 #10
There were pro forma sessions Crabby Appleton Feb 2016 #14
Darn--my source erred then.... MADem Feb 2016 #15
Now that Scalia has been buried, I wouldn't mind if the President made a recess No Vested Interest Feb 2016 #4
The Senate is not in recess. former9thward Feb 2016 #23
With respect to Obama filling Scalia's seat basically no..... PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #5
The Senate is smack dab in the middle of a recess with no pro forma session--right NOW. MADem Feb 2016 #9
It has to be ten working days at least. He could not have made a recess apptmt this time. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #19
Yes, if you see the link I provided, my source was plainly as wrong as wrong could be. MADem Feb 2016 #20
It's a bad practice. I was glad to see the SC set reasonable limits. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #21
Yes, though it can be stopped by having regular proforma sessions called to order Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #6
"temporarily filled"....I suppose in a sense... pipoman Feb 2016 #7
By law the appointment would only last a year. nt MADem Feb 2016 #11
Recess appointment expire, according to the Constitution... PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #12
No oberliner Feb 2016 #13
I hope not (nt) bigwillq Feb 2016 #16
It would probably be pointless struggle4progress Feb 2016 #17
Not unless there is a long recess.NLRB case. 9-0, generally not permissable recess < 10 days. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #18
If he makes a recess appointment Calista241 Feb 2016 #22

MADem

(135,425 posts)
8. We haven't had any recesses in awhile. This is a new thing.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:54 AM
Feb 2016

The Senate always stayed in session under GOP leadership because they didn't want Obama filling federal judge vacancies on them. They screwed up, and then Scalia died in the middle of the recess!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
10. They screwed up. They are in one NOW--until close of business today in fact.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:58 AM
Feb 2016

From my link elsewhere in this thread:

Our 100 U.S. Senators are now on a full, 10-day paid vacation. Such upper chamber indolence is no longer surprising to the American people. Little wonder that our Congress regularly earns public approval ratings in the single-digits.

But here is the shocker. The 10-day Senate recess will not be broken up by pro forma sessions used in years past to prevent President Obama from exercising his constitutional recess appointment authority. When the GOP-controlled Senate went on vacation, they were careless and left a recess-appointment window wide-open. And it can not be closed until Monday afternoon, February 22, 2016.

Ten days is exactly the minimum recess duration needed to trigger the president's recess appointment authority. Republicans acknowledge that Obama now has this alternative appointment power.

Meanwhile, just two days into the 10-day Senate recess, Justice Antonin Scalia passed from this suffering temporal plane leaving his SCOTUS seat vacant.

In a guest commentary just posted by the American Constitution Society, I argue that President Obama should immediately recess appoint a temporary replacement for Justice Scalia. The appointment would last until late 2017. I also suggest that Obama should use this opportunity to fill many of the other executive, regulatory, and judicial offices remaining empty due to partisan obstruction and normal Senate indolence.......

Crabby Appleton

(5,231 posts)
14. There were pro forma sessions
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:01 AM
Feb 2016

on Feb 15 and Feb 18 so technically Senate is not in recess.


ORDERS FOR MONDAY, FEBRUARY 15, 2016, THROUGH MONDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 2016

Mr. McCONNELL. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that when the
Senate completes its business today, it adjourn, to then convene for
pro forma sessions only, with no business being conducted, on the
following dates and times, and that following each pro forma session,
the Senate adjourn until the next pro forma session: Monday, February
15, at 11 a.m.; Thursday, February 18, at 9 a.m.;


https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/2016/2/12/senate-section/article/s887-4

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
4. Now that Scalia has been buried, I wouldn't mind if the President made a recess
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:46 AM
Feb 2016

appointment. Before the funeral, such an appointment would have been rather crass.

I definitely believe there should be recess appointments made by Feb. 22 - today- for some of the other judges and other offices that have gone unfilled for too long.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
5. With respect to Obama filling Scalia's seat basically no.....
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:42 AM
Feb 2016

The Supreme Court actually decided a case on recess appointments against Obama (9-0), that imposed
strict limitations on the President's power to make recess appointments.

Basically any recess must be longer than 10 (working) days and the Senate can
get around the recess issue by using "pro forma sessions" so that it is technically
not in recess.

For more on the Supreme Court case, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NLRB_v._Noel_Canning
http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/national-labor-relations-board-v-noel-canning/

MADem

(135,425 posts)
9. The Senate is smack dab in the middle of a recess with no pro forma session--right NOW.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:55 AM
Feb 2016

That's why he has an opportunity, but the window is closing, fast.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
19. It has to be ten working days at least. He could not have made a recess apptmt this time.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:47 PM
Feb 2016

Senate was in recess from the 12th to the 22nd - ten days. But not ten working days.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
20. Yes, if you see the link I provided, my source was plainly as wrong as wrong could be.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:03 PM
Feb 2016

Another poster pointed out that they'd already done two sessions! Ah well...hope springs eternal!!!

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
21. It's a bad practice. I was glad to see the SC set reasonable limits.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:11 PM
Feb 2016

And they are reasonable. I know presenting applicants and going through the process is time-consuming, but simply short-circuiting the Constitution in order to make life easier for the Executive is a practice fraught with peril.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
7. "temporarily filled"....I suppose in a sense...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:27 AM
Feb 2016

it is a lifetime appointment so it will be vacated at some point...further, since the number on the court isn't a constitutional issue and he hasn't had a nominee rejected or held up, it would be unseemly, not presidential, and perhaps extraconstitutional for him to do such a thing right now...

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
12. Recess appointment expire, according to the Constitution...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:18 AM
Feb 2016
The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
13. No
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:18 AM
Feb 2016

Republicans can hold pro forma sessions to make it impossible (since there technically would be no recess).

struggle4progress

(118,294 posts)
17. It would probably be pointless
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:41 PM
Feb 2016

The SC sessions begin on the first Monday in October. Recess appointments last only until the current Senate session ends. The 115th Congress meets on 3 January 2017

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
18. Not unless there is a long recess.NLRB case. 9-0, generally not permissable recess < 10 days.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:44 PM
Feb 2016

So if the Senate doesn't want a recess appointment, they just stay in pro forma session.
https://www.oyez.org/cases/2013/12-1281

Justice Stephen G. Breyer delivered the opinion for the 9-0 majority. The Court held that a pro forma session does not create a recess long enough to trigger the Recess Appointments Clause. While the term "recess" in the Clause refers both to inter-and intra-session recesses, its legislative history and historical context indicate that the term should be presumed to mean a recess of substantial length. The Court held that the three-day break that occurs during pro forma sessions does not represent a significant interruption of legislative business and therefore cannot justify the exercise of the Clause. Additionally, a pro forma session cannot be viewed as a single, long recess because the Senate retains its capacity to conduct business during such sessions. Because recess appointments made during a recess that was shorter than ten days have been so historically rare, the Court held that ten days was the appropriate presumptive lower limit to place on the exercise of the Clause. The Court also held that the Clause applies to vacancies that occur during a recess as well as those that originally occur before a recess but continue to exist at the time of the recess. Although a plain reading of the Clause does not require such an interpretation, the historical context of the wording favors the more broad reading because a vacancy can be considered a continuing state.


An exception could theoretically be made for something like a top national security exec, but def. not for the SC.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
22. If he makes a recess appointment
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:05 PM
Feb 2016

It takes the onnus off of the Repubs. Obama's going to try to pressure the Repubs to confirm his nominee, and a recess appointee, aside from inflaming partisan tensions, will take the pressure off to fill the court.

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