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flpoljunkie

(26,184 posts)
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:08 AM Feb 2016

Talkingpointsmemo: Supreme Court Snub Is Ultimate Delegitimization Of First Black President

Supreme Court Snub Is Ultimate Delegitimization Of First Black President

President Barack Obama said it best this week.

When it comes to who gets to appoint Supreme Court justices, the Constitution is pretty freaking clear.

"I'm amused when I hear people who claim to be strict interpreters of the Constitution suddenly reading into it a whole series of provisions that are not there," Obama said.

But in the blatant declaration that Obama should not even put forward a new Supreme Court nominee to fill the vacancy left by Justice Antonin Scalia's death, Republicans are continuing to delegitimize a president that they have long sought to undercut. Many observers view the Supreme Court emerging drama in the Senate as the pinnacle of the drawn out, deep-seated and racially tinged effort to block America's first black president from leaving a lasting legacy on the country that elected him twice.

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Talkingpointsmemo: Supreme Court Snub Is Ultimate Delegitimization Of First Black President (Original Post) flpoljunkie Feb 2016 OP
“no candidate exists on the face of the Earth” Triana Feb 2016 #1
I dont buy it for a second... TampaAnimusVortex Feb 2016 #2
Yes. The Republicans think they can get a replacement for Antonin Scalia... kentuck Feb 2016 #3
I don't know that I would call the recent court conservative... TampaAnimusVortex Feb 2016 #5
I don't think you can argue that "Obamacare" is a liberal program... kentuck Feb 2016 #8
Maybe so... TampaAnimusVortex Feb 2016 #10
Just like anything else being tried to help the average citizen mdbl Feb 2016 #16
It was written by the Heritage Foundation and was teh GOP's answer to HilaryCare in 1992 brett_jv Feb 2016 #20
I agree. Trust Buster Feb 2016 #7
I don't doubt the R's have the attitude the author accuses them of but... Jerry442 Feb 2016 #17
Assomeone on here posted... Adrahil Feb 2016 #4
That's a wonderful line. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2016 #15
While the headline confirms my biases, I'm not sure any Dem president wouldn't have this problem Bucky Feb 2016 #6
I agree NewJeffCT Feb 2016 #23
I dunno about that. JoeyT Feb 2016 #9
I understand why someone may feel that way, but I disagree markj757 Feb 2016 #11
The Supreme Court kerfuffle is the capstone, then. randome Feb 2016 #18
What do you expect... cactusfractal Feb 2016 #12
Not to mention houston16revival Feb 2016 #13
They flaunt the Constitution at their own political peril, a Catch-22, a no-win conundrum, screwed L. Coyote Feb 2016 #14
"tinged" is too soft heaven05 Feb 2016 #19
By republican logic, sulphurdunn Feb 2016 #21
Naw. If the lame duck were GOP, they'd let him pick the next judge on his last day in office. FiveGoodMen Feb 2016 #24
The Senate Republicans need to be thrown in the drunk tank and hosed off struggle4progress Feb 2016 #22
We all know the GOP mantra,, benld74 Feb 2016 #25
 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
1. “no candidate exists on the face of the Earth”
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:23 AM
Feb 2016
Rohde said “no candidate exists on the face of the Earth” that the Republicans would confirm if nominated by Obama, adding: “The Republican position is that the only thing that matters here is the party of the nominator.


SOURCE: https://dukecampaignstop2016.org/north-carolina-southern-politics/nc-likely-wont-play-big-role-if-primary-delayed/

As you point out, not only is the PARTY of the nominator what matters to Republicans, but also the COLOR of the nominator. I think we all know damn well it's both and possibly even more the latter than the former.

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
2. I dont buy it for a second...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:37 AM
Feb 2016

I don't think the republicans would appoint anyone that a current democratic president put forth if they were white, red, yellow, or green. This is obviously about pure politics.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
3. Yes. The Republicans think they can get a replacement for Antonin Scalia...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:48 AM
Feb 2016

...and that they can continue to have a Supreme Court that will do the bidding of the conservatives in our government. They have no problem with a "political" Supreme Court, so long as they rule for their side. Democracy or rule of the people have little to do with their desires and wishes.

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
5. I don't know that I would call the recent court conservative...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:28 AM
Feb 2016

The did allow Obamacare after all. Granted, there's probably a dozen decisions handed down that can be grabbed on by either side to prove they are unbalanced. If they were really conservative, you would see abortions outlawed as well as gay marriage probably. It's probably best to say its not liberal as much as some of us would like...

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
8. I don't think you can argue that "Obamacare" is a liberal program...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:36 AM
Feb 2016

moreso than it is a status quo for the insurance companies.

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
10. Maybe so...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:21 AM
Feb 2016

But you can't argue its a conservative program either given that it was basically voted in on party lines.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
16. Just like anything else being tried to help the average citizen
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 06:49 AM
Feb 2016

It's always "along party lines". Which is why I wonder every day of my life why any voter would put the Greedy Old Party in office. The way they have treated the Obamas is just icing on their cake, and completes my disgust of them.

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
20. It was written by the Heritage Foundation and was teh GOP's answer to HilaryCare in 1992
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 05:28 AM
Feb 2016

Regardless of the 'party line' vote, had the exact same program been presented by a Republican President, the vote would've gone the exact opposite way (assuming the GOP felt some real pressure to actually do some kind of health care reform).

It's absolutely a 'free-market' solution to the particular problem at hand, through and through.

To argue the Supreme's 'lean liberal' on the basis of a 5-4 vote upholding Obamacare ... is highly tenuous. Because it's NOT a particularly 'liberal' program.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
7. I agree.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:31 AM
Feb 2016

A Democrat nominating a candidate who would shift the Court to a 5-4 Left leaning Court would be opposed by the Republicans regardless of the race or gender of that President. These animals will even attack the Pope.

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
17. I don't doubt the R's have the attitude the author accuses them of but...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:55 AM
Feb 2016

...they wouldn't let Bill, Jimmy, Lyndon, John, Harry, or Franklin fill Scalia's seat either.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
4. Assomeone on here posted...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:12 AM
Feb 2016

Apparently the Republican "originalists" think a black President only gets 3/5 of a term.

Bucky

(54,027 posts)
6. While the headline confirms my biases, I'm not sure any Dem president wouldn't have this problem
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:31 AM
Feb 2016

If it'd President Kerry, or Clinton, or Biden, or Richardson... I think the Republicans would figure they could run out the clock for 11 months. Maybe their unity is about race, maybe, but I think it's mostly about the conservative tendency to delegitimize anyone with a D behind their name. It's about Republican tribalism once more trumping American loyalty.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
23. I agree
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:57 AM
Feb 2016

while there is no doubt some racism playing into it, I think it would be the same with anybody with a (D) after their name - remember, the death of Vince Foster had almost as many investigations as Benghazi, and the GOP investigated Socks the Cat under Clinton. The Republicans also changed the senate rules when they got the majority under Clinton to slow down his ability to appoint federal judges as well.

I'm also sure that if Hillary had won in 2008, we'd be seeing almost as many articles about sexism and the GOP as opposed to racism and the GOP with Obama.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
9. I dunno about that.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:45 AM
Feb 2016

After all the other bullshit they pulled over the last 7 years, how the hell could you tell? The right were assholes before he was even sworn in, and just kept being assholes the entire time.

 

markj757

(194 posts)
11. I understand why someone may feel that way, but I disagree
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:22 AM
Feb 2016

Last edited Tue Feb 23, 2016, 06:06 AM - Edit history (1)

The ultimate attempt to try to de-legitimize the first black President was and is the birther movement. If any Democratic President was in this position, Republicans would attempt the same maneuver to try and block his nominee at any cost, but I do agree it doesn't help that it is Obama (for all the reasons they don't like him anyway including his race)

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
18. The Supreme Court kerfuffle is the capstone, then.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:02 AM
Feb 2016

But, yeah, the birther nonsense was #1. It's one for the history books.
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cactusfractal

(496 posts)
12. What do you expect...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:45 PM
Feb 2016

...from people who've never considered President Obama to be more than 3/5 of a President?

houston16revival

(953 posts)
13. Not to mention
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:24 PM
Feb 2016

delegitimizing the will of the voters who elected him

So their whole effort is tinged with racism

GOP Senators refuse to do their job

Hopefully voters will fire a few of them

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
14. They flaunt the Constitution at their own political peril, a Catch-22, a no-win conundrum, screwed
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:39 PM
Feb 2016

is the word I'm looking for. The Republicans just lost their majority on the Supreme Court, they know it, they can't stop it, but they may not know they are screwed yet.

They self-delude too easily and in their bubble they may think this obstruction is the path to winning the Presidency. That would be to gamble on the one issue that is THE single-issue-decider most unfavorable to them, women's rights. It may play well in Mitch's Kentucky with Kim Davis, but the Presidency is decided elsewhere.

How does this issue play into winning control of the Senate? That may be a lot more complex to analyze.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
19. "tinged" is too soft
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:02 PM
Feb 2016

Motivated is my choice because that has been the M.O. since "LIAR" was shouted, setting a precedent, never having happened ever, to a sitting POTUS, at Barack Obama's first SOU address......

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
21. By republican logic,
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:35 AM
Feb 2016

any second term president is a lame duck and should not be able to make appointments to the court. It is certain that position will be abandoned if there is another republican president.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
24. Naw. If the lame duck were GOP, they'd let him pick the next judge on his last day in office.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:56 PM
Feb 2016

They insist on having the playing field tilted their way at all times.

And the other party keeps letting them get away with it.

(Sorry, read too fast -- I see you've already made that point)

benld74

(9,904 posts)
25. We all know the GOP mantra,,
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:09 PM
Feb 2016

Keep to the same statement or lie
Repeat as naseum
Until it becomes the truth

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