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leftyladyfrommo

(18,869 posts)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:37 PM Jun 2012

Anyone remember when pot in Hawaii was sprayed with chemicals?

I can't remember the name of the chemical. (Paraquat or something like that). Fields were sprayed. Then kids in Hawaii smoked the pot and just about destroyed their lungs. Caused big blisters on the lungs and the lungs collapsed.

I am trying to find out if that chemical could cause cancer down the line.

I have posted here about my 44 year old friend who has cancer now. He got caught up in that horrible fiasco when he was just a teenager - I think lots of kids did.

At first doctors thought he had lymphoma but they changed it to cancer that is not even related to lymphoma.

I'm just wondering there could be a connection?

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Anyone remember when pot in Hawaii was sprayed with chemicals? (Original Post) leftyladyfrommo Jun 2012 OP
Maybe this article could help... Little Star Jun 2012 #1
Thank you. n/t leftyladyfrommo Jun 2012 #3
Oh...interesting. I didn't know about that. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2012 #5
I remember paraquat being used in Mexico in about 1976. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2012 #2
Paraguat rings a bell hootinholler Jun 2012 #4
It was Paraquat. NutmegYankee Jun 2012 #6
paraquat used to clear weed for Heart of Palm plantations librechik Jun 2012 #7
More... Little Star Jun 2012 #8

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
1. Maybe this article could help...
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:48 PM
Jun 2012
Monsanto's Toxic Roundup

NORML SPECIAL REPORT, November 12, 1996

DEA Herbicide Under Fire From Hawaii Residents

Locals Complain Of Nausea, Other Ailments Due To Aerial Spraying

Residents of the island of Hawaii are complaining of flu-like symptoms such as nausea, headaches, and fatigue and many are pointing fingers at the federal government and state law enforcement.
For nearly a decade, Drug Enforcement Agency-coordinated marijuana eradication efforts have targeted the island of Hawaii, often spraying a glyphosate-based herbicide from low-flying helicopters over suspected marijuana patches. Recently, however, some residents are claiming that the pesticide, a chemical weed-killer similar to "Round Up," is killing wildlife and making some citizens sick.

"You can actually taste it in your mouth," said Roger Christie of the Hawaii Hemp Council, who alleges that the pesticide is occasionally mixed with additives. Christie reports that gusts of wind disperse the pesticide to outlying communities, where it collects in rainwater catchments. Rooftop catchments are a common source of residents' drinking water. Christie is convinced that the spraying is directly linked to recently reported environmental and health problems.

"In the last two weeks, hundreds of people have come to me with their complaints and said that's why I'm feeling this way too," said Ka'u resident Susan Smith in an interview with KGMB-TV earlier this month. "[Law enforcement] are flying over my house every other day. ... It's like a war zone out here."

According to local area physician, Patricia Bailey, MD, Christie and Smith's claims are not without substance. Bailey has collected incident reports from some 40 persons, aged 9 months to 84 years, who claim that they have been affected by the spray. She cites generalized symptoms of eye and respiratory tract irritation. She further notes that about 75 percent of respondents suffered from diarrhea.

Affidavits attained by NORML report frequent complaints from residents of flu-like symptoms such as nausea and headaches, sometimes lasting for more than a week after the spraying. Others complain of experiencing fatigue, irritability, soar joints and throats, and frequent itchiness and burning of the eyes. In one of the most severe reported cases, an Ocean View resident complained of experiencing prolonged numbness in her arms. "The numbness was the most prominent and frightening [symptom,]" she explained. "[It] felt uncomfortable to wear my watch [so] I took it off and carried it. I kept rubbing my arms, trying to warm them and get blood back circulating." The resident described the experience as "unnerving."

"There is a statistical significance to the complaints," said Dr. Bailey. "I think [this] is serious now."

Studies on the potential dangers of glyphosate to both humans and the environment are mixed. According the 1986 federal Environmental Impact Statement (EIS), laboratory and greenhouse studies performed mostly by the manufacturer (The Monsanto Company) indicated that glyphosate was only a moderately toxic herbicide that posed little danger to the environment.

However, Noah Berry, vice president of EcoLaw Institute Inc., an Oklahoma organization that works to strengthen environmental laws, has examined the safety of glyphosate and concludes that the chemical "can do a lot of damage to our bio-diversity."3 In addition, a 1991 report by the Radian Corporation concludes that human exposure to glyphosate can cause "irritation of the skin, gastrointestinal tract and respiratory tract, convulsions and coma."

Lenny Terlip of the state Department of Land and Natural Resources (DLNR) told NORML that claims of glyphosate harming the environment and endangering the health of residents were "erroneous." He denied reports that the herbicide was mixed with any additives and said that the sprayings were not being conducted near houses or residential areas. He further added that the helicopter-mounted spray-guns have "pin-point accuracy," a claim rebuked by a review of some of the available scientific literature.

According to the Journal of Pesticide Reform, "In general, movement of a pesticide through unwanted drift is unavoidable; drift of glyphosate is no exception." The article emphasized, however, that glyphosate drift is a "particularly significant problem ... [because] damage is likely to be much more extensive and more persistent than with many other herbicides."7 Two studies conducted in Canada measured glyphosate residues more than 650 feet away from target areas following helicopter applications to forest sites and a third study from California found glyphosate over 2,600 feet away following aerial application.9 By her own estimations, Smith judges that high wind gusts on the island of Hawaii can carry glyphosate residue even farther.

"Why do we have to wait [until] five years from now [for an answer?]" asked Smith. "Why do we have to wait ... till they tell us, okay, it's toxic and now it's outlawed?"

Recently, Smith gathered angry residents to an informal town meeting where they voiced their grievances with elected officials and state agency representatives, signed health impact affidavits, and met with news media. She and other area residents agreed to file a formal complaint with the DLNR.

Photographs on display at the meeting documented orange-sprayed foliage in forests and yards as well as dead bird carcasses. Many residents elaborated on the symptoms of their illnesses. Glenn Sahara, a spokesman for the Hawaii Department of Agriculture who attended the meeting, attempted to deny that the spraying played any role. Instead, he stated that the animal deaths might be due to heart failure caused by the noise of low-flying helicopters. Many residents remained unconvinced. "We are being poisoned," claimed one elderly gentleman. "It's the children I am thinking of. Stop the aerial spraying!"

This is an example of "law enforcement run amuck," claimed environmental activist and resident Jerry Rothstein. Rothstein has studied the original EIS and tells NORML that residents may file a lawsuit against both state and federal agencies for failure to comply with regulations mandated by the 1986 report. EIS rules require that law enforcement, "Take all reasonable steps to notify everyone, including residents, before spraying."

For the time being, Rothstein is encouraging residents to participate in the updating of the scheduled 1996 EIS supplement. Public comments on this notice were requested in the August 13, 1996 issue of the Federal Register and public hearings will be held before a final version is drafted.

"From the response of the Ka'u community, th[ese] latest aerial herbicide attack[s] appear to be among the worst yet," noted Rothstein. He said that in the past, law enforcement has attempted to dismiss complaints by alleging that they were only from marijuana growers attempting to protect their crops. These latest rounds of complaints, however, are too widespread to ignore, he said.


Link: http://www.holisticmed.com/ge/roundup.html

This is the part that caught my eye. I'm sure that Monsanto's spray hit the marijuana crops too, so Monsanto tries to blame MJ growers for their own actions:

"law enforcement has attempted to dismiss complaints by alleging that they were only from marijuana growers attempting to protect their crops. These latest rounds of complaints, however, are too widespread to ignore"
 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
5. Oh...interesting. I didn't know about that.
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:52 PM
Jun 2012

Glyphosate is the same poison we spray on Colombian coca fields.

By the way, the Roger Christie quoted in the article is now in jail, where he's been held without bail for more than a year on charges related to his marijuana church.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
2. I remember paraquat being used in Mexico in about 1976.
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:49 PM
Jun 2012

Not in Hawaii.

The spraying was stopped after concerns were raised about possible health effects on consumers.

librechik

(30,676 posts)
7. paraquat used to clear weed for Heart of Palm plantations
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 01:00 PM
Jun 2012
http://hortsci.ashspublications.org/content/30/6/1215.full.pdf

Also, a paraquat permit can be obtained from the Hawaii govt to clear weeds on your land in HI.

In short, paraquat can be used legally in Hawaii to clear vegetation and farmers are allowed to use it. Your friend could have been exposed in many other ways besides pot.

We know it was used in the Colombian drug war--by Colombians. Then the growers complained and the practice was curtailed back in the 70s.

IMO, My feeling is that paraquat was mainly a rumor unleashed to intimidate people, but never happened in the US at least because of fear of deaths and lawsuits from exposure.

As for Govt police agents spraying paraquat on pot, confirmation is unavailable in the public record, therefore if it happened it was probably very secret. And we will never know.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
8. More...
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 01:08 PM
Jun 2012
Monsanto, Bayer and Dow face trial for 'systematic human rights abuses'

Monsanto, Bayer and Dow face trial for 'systematic human rights abuses'
Permanent Peoples' Tribunal accuses biotech giants Monsanto, Dow, Bayer, Syngenta, DuPont and BASF of promoting dangerous pesticides including endosulfan, paraquat and neonicotinoids

The Ecologist, 16th November, 2011 -- The world's major agrochemical companies, Monsanto, Dow, Bayer, Syngenta, DuPont and BASF, will face a public tribunal in early December accused of systematic human rights violations.

They are accused of violating more than 20 instruments of international human rights law through promoting reliance on the sale and use of dangerous and unsafe pesticides including endosulfan, paraquat and neonicotinoids.


Link: http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/11/488785.html
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