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Flying Dead Cat Drone, Orvillecopter (Original Post) Octafish Jun 2012 OP
Someone emailed me this today, and I must say... cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #1
I think surprise is a more than reasonable response. Robb Jun 2012 #3
They're glass, but very realistic. Octafish Jun 2012 #4
Wha? whatchamacallit Jun 2012 #2
Death from the Skies. Octafish Jun 2012 #5
Love it! n/t zappaman Jun 2012 #6
Thanks! I was hoping people would appreciate the thing as commentary. Octafish Jun 2012 #9
While being great commentary... zappaman Jun 2012 #18
Ugh! (nt) Mairead Jun 2012 #7
With all DU respect, what's worse? That ex-cat or this real-life thing? Octafish Jun 2012 #10
To me, there's nothing to choose between them Mairead Jun 2012 #34
That's mean flamingdem Jun 2012 #8
My apologies to the memory of B. Kliban. Octafish Jun 2012 #15
I identify too much with cats flamingdem Jun 2012 #20
A few years' back there was an exhibition of human bodies at the Detroit Science Center... Octafish Jun 2012 #26
Wow, what a story. flamingdem Jun 2012 #27
Acoustic Kitty Octafish Jun 2012 #35
There are some individuals who should be in prison for a long time Mairead Jun 2012 #37
This Dutch artist is a major asshole...nt joeybee12 Jun 2012 #11
That may very well be. Octafish Jun 2012 #17
OMG, that's too funny! Wrong on so many levels, but funny! SharonAnn Jun 2012 #12
Orville Wrong pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #16
Good one! randome Jun 2012 #22
yeah....very cool to disrespect an animal trumad Jun 2012 #13
Excellent point. All life is holy. Octafish Jun 2012 #21
I've heard of bird type drones Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #14
Remember John Wayne! Octafish Jun 2012 #25
I'm the only REC! zappaman Jun 2012 #19
Someone once told me about a study where they showed random people sudopod Jun 2012 #23
They say psychopaths begin their practice flamingdem Jun 2012 #28
Ok? nt sudopod Jun 2012 #31
I would be more upset by the kittens too. Mairead Jun 2012 #36
:/ sudopod Jun 2012 #38
Make that one hundred and two. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #24
I hate this. I really really hate it. Liberal_in_LA Jun 2012 #29
You could really do a number on a dog with one of these Major Nikon Jun 2012 #30
There's a Jeffrey Dahmer vibe to it flamingdem Jun 2012 #32
This is neither clever nor funny n/t agent46 Jun 2012 #33

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
1. Someone emailed me this today, and I must say...
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 05:07 PM
Jun 2012

OMG, it's horrible!

Not immoral, per se. Just horrible.

If the cat's eyes were less surprised it would be better.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
4. They're glass, but very realistic.
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 05:14 PM
Jun 2012

The poor cat got killed by a car. It's more common in Europe, I understand, to have pets preserved after death.

The Orvillecopter may be joining the most famous cats in aviation history.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
9. Thanks! I was hoping people would appreciate the thing as commentary.
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 05:53 PM
Jun 2012

Once past the shock value, good art really can peg our catastrophic times.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
18. While being great commentary...
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 08:18 PM
Jun 2012

it is also my dog's worst nightmare come true.
Can't believe people are pissed off about a dead cat that the artist didn't kill, but drones that are surely killing cats(not to mention people) don't get half the outrage.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
15. My apologies to the memory of B. Kliban.
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 07:59 PM
Jun 2012

The guy I was thinking of was Simon Bond.



Regarding the flying death thing: I also don't approve.

flamingdem

(39,314 posts)
20. I identify too much with cats
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 08:23 PM
Jun 2012

so it feels painful and disrespectful. It worked for Damien Hirst though - he became famous with his dead animal sculptures but they were aesthetically adventurous by comparison

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
26. A few years' back there was an exhibition of human bodies at the Detroit Science Center...
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 09:04 PM
Jun 2012

..."Plastinated" people from China and their parts posed in everyday positions. It was the most popular show there, ever.

Since then, they had a NASA traveling exhibit that featured a personal appearance by Eugene Cernan, the last man to walk on the moon. One of a dozen men to have walked on the moon -- and almost no one was there.

The DSC's in receivership today.



The corpse plastination factory in Dalian. (Internet Photo).

Rumor is that the reason the exhibit's filled with youngish-looking people is that they were young people who were executed because they didn't go "with the flow."



Corpses in U.S. Human Body Exhibition Come from Dalian, China

By Xin Fei & Shiyu
The Epoch Times Mar 29, 2006

SNIP...

There is no ambiguity about the corpses for "Bodies: The Exhibition." The organizer of this exhibition openly admitted the corpses for this show come from Dalian City, China.

SNIP...

"Working Together with the Chinese Communist Regime"

Our reporter called Premier Exhibitions Inc. again the next day. Another employee, who did not want to disclose his position, said that the bodies came from Dalian Medical University in China. Because the Chinese regime controls Chinese universities, all the necessary procedures were approved by the Chinese authorities.

SNIP...

Bodies of Falun Gong Practitioners May Be Amongst Exhibits

In part because Premier Exhibitions, Inc. was not able to provide information as to the source of the body specimens used in the exhibition, Falun Gong practitioners overseas are concerned that these are the bodies of fellow practitioners who were tortured to death.

"The sale of organs and human bodies by the Chinese Communist regime is an inhuman, barbaric undertaking; it is a humiliation to all Chinese citizens. It also challenges the conscience and human rights values of the U.S. public." Epoch Times columnist and Falun Gong expert Zhang Tianliang holds the view that such concerns are not unreasonable because situations like this are very likely and almost unavoidable in light of the history and recent practices of the Communist regime.

CONTINUED...

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/6-3-29/39840.html



PS: I am sorry to have caused anyone pain. My point is that human beings -- whether in China, Detroit or Pakistan -- these days are treated as if they were mere things, to be used and disposed.

flamingdem

(39,314 posts)
27. Wow, what a story.
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 09:16 PM
Jun 2012

I think it's quite valid to post the helioKitty, most art is valid and moreso if it starts a conversation.

I am usually ultra open minded but I got the feeling this person is a tad off in the personality department!

I guess it's the defenseless quality plus I think it's undignified to do things with bodies after death, of course
the Chinese example trumps the kitty x100000

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
35. Acoustic Kitty
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:32 AM
Jun 2012

Poppy Frankenstein's Cat.

From the National Security Archives:

In a project known as “Acoustic Kitty” the Directorate of Science and Technology sought to train a surgically altered cat, wired with transmitting and control devices, to become a mobile, eavesdropping platform. In its first test, the cat was run over by a taxi. According to Victor Marchetti:

they slit the cat open, put batteries in him, wired him up. The tail was used as an antenna. They made a monstrosity. They tested him and tested him. They found he would walk off the job when he got hungry, so they put another wire in to override that. Finally, they’re ready. They took it out to a park bench and said “Listen to those two guys. Don’t listen to anything else – not the birds, no cat or dog – just those two guys!” ... They put him out of the van, and a taxi comes and runs him over. There they were, sitting in the van with all those dials, and the cat was dead!3


This heavily redacted memo appears to express the view that cats can be altered and trained to perform certain tasks. At the same time, it notes that “the environment and security factors in using this technique in a real foreign situation force us to conclude that, for our (intelligence) purposes, it would not be practical.”

PDF of Memo
 

Mairead

(9,557 posts)
37. There are some individuals who should be in prison for a long time
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 12:46 PM
Jun 2012

Straight prison or psychiatric prison, but prison.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
17. That may very well be.
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 08:16 PM
Jun 2012

And I thought so to, but upon reflection the crazy thing said something to me:

Glenn Greenwald: Obama’s Secret Kill List "The Most Radical Power a Government Can Seize"

Along with the occassional crook, we are killing a lot of innocent human beings.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
21. Excellent point. All life is holy.
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 08:25 PM
Jun 2012

That's why I'm so, eh, bugged by the current drone war of "targeted killing." A lot of innocent grandmothers have lost their lives -- and their kids and grandkids' lives.

Even the oil-soaked Council of Foreign Relations types are wondering:

How Many Civilians Are Killed by U.S. Drones?

Sources quoted in the article range between 24-200 -- more since the numbers were collected.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
25. Remember John Wayne!
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 08:39 PM
Jun 2012
...and Mrs. Chennault.



It may seem painless, but drone war in Afghanistan is destroying the West's reputation

A new phase of secret, unaccountable and illegal warfare is being deployed by General Petraeus and the CIA.


Peter Oborne
The Telegraph (UK) May 30, 2012

EXCERPT...

But by 2005, it was obvious that the strategy was failing. The resurgence of the Taliban, and the success of the Iraqi insurgencies, led to an urgent reassessment. In desperation, the United States turned to the more sophisticated methodology once favoured by the British and before them the Romans – the elaboration of a system of alliances, otherwise known as “divide and rule”.

This was the second phase, the “surge” of 2007, which made the reputation of General David Petraeus and rescued the second Bush presidency from disaster. Of greater significance than the temporary increase in troop numbers on the ground was the decision by the Western Iraqi tribes, encouraged by the payment of enormous bribes, to detach themselves, at least temporarily, from al-Qaeda.

The same tactics did not work, however, when duplicated two years later in Afghanistan – and so US policy has unobtrusively moved into a third phase: a new and as yet only partially understood doctrine of secret, unaccountable and illegal warfare.

SNIP...

So, in the US, drone strikes are a good thing. In Pakistan, from where I write this, it is impossible to overestimate the anger and distress they cause. Almost all Pakistanis feel that they are personally under attack, and that America tramples on their precarious national sovereignty. There are good reasons for this. When, last year in Lahore, an out-of-control CIA operative shot dead two reportedly unarmed Pakistanis, and his follow-up car ran over and killed a third, the American was spirited out of the country.

CONTINUED...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/9300187/It-may-seem-painless-but-drone-war-in-Afghanistan-is-destroying-the-Wests-reputation.html

sudopod

(5,019 posts)
23. Someone once told me about a study where they showed random people
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 08:30 PM
Jun 2012

either a picture of holocaust victims in mass graves, or someone being mean to a kitten. By a vast majority, people were more outraged over the kittens.

 

Mairead

(9,557 posts)
36. I would be more upset by the kittens too.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:41 AM
Jun 2012

Three reasons:

- Big-Beard religions teach that humans are "special" and therefore should be treated better than we treat "soulless" non-humans. But I note that politicians demand that we treat them better than they treat us. Coincidence? Not even slightly. Self-serving crap in both cases, designed to justify the worst behaviors and protect the perps.

- Cats are one of our three (dogs, cats, horses) non-human social symbiote species and, it's believed, the only one of the three that voluntarily joined us. (One theory is that they approached while hunting, became fascinated by the kitten-like antics of human children, and stayed both for the abundant supply of food and for the physical affection --they enjoy the cuddling and petting and respond by purring; we enjoy the purring and respond with more cuddling and petting)

- Human adults have at least some agency, some power to resist or escape; kittens and other children have none, and to abuse them is so vile as to be indescribable.

flamingdem

(39,314 posts)
32. There's a Jeffrey Dahmer vibe to it
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 12:52 AM
Jun 2012

Why stop at the cat? So many other animals to mess with -- and as the addiction grows .. there's Johnny next door. Art, schmart.

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