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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFlying Dead Cat Drone, Orvillecopter
Believe it or not, I wrote a story about a cat that could do unusual things. Never considered it could this, though:
A Flying Cat? Dutch artist turns dead feline into a helicopter.
http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-cat-helicopter-takes-flight-20120604,0,4470173.story
See the Orvillecopter in action:
B. Kliban would approve.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)OMG, it's horrible!
Not immoral, per se. Just horrible.
If the cat's eyes were less surprised it would be better.
Robb
(39,665 posts)I have the same look on my face, right now.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The poor cat got killed by a car. It's more common in Europe, I understand, to have pets preserved after death.
The Orvillecopter may be joining the most famous cats in aviation history.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Once past the shock value, good art really can peg our catastrophic times.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)it is also my dog's worst nightmare come true.
Can't believe people are pissed off about a dead cat that the artist didn't kill, but drones that are surely killing cats(not to mention people) don't get half the outrage.
Mairead
(9,557 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Mairead
(9,557 posts)They're on different scales, but both horrible
flamingdem
(39,314 posts)I disapprove
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The guy I was thinking of was Simon Bond.
Regarding the flying death thing: I also don't approve.
flamingdem
(39,314 posts)so it feels painful and disrespectful. It worked for Damien Hirst though - he became famous with his dead animal sculptures but they were aesthetically adventurous by comparison
Octafish
(55,745 posts)..."Plastinated" people from China and their parts posed in everyday positions. It was the most popular show there, ever.
Since then, they had a NASA traveling exhibit that featured a personal appearance by Eugene Cernan, the last man to walk on the moon. One of a dozen men to have walked on the moon -- and almost no one was there.
The DSC's in receivership today.
The corpse plastination factory in Dalian. (Internet Photo).
Rumor is that the reason the exhibit's filled with youngish-looking people is that they were young people who were executed because they didn't go "with the flow."
Corpses in U.S. Human Body Exhibition Come from Dalian, China
By Xin Fei & Shiyu
The Epoch Times Mar 29, 2006
SNIP...
There is no ambiguity about the corpses for "Bodies: The Exhibition." The organizer of this exhibition openly admitted the corpses for this show come from Dalian City, China.
SNIP...
"Working Together with the Chinese Communist Regime"
Our reporter called Premier Exhibitions Inc. again the next day. Another employee, who did not want to disclose his position, said that the bodies came from Dalian Medical University in China. Because the Chinese regime controls Chinese universities, all the necessary procedures were approved by the Chinese authorities.
SNIP...
Bodies of Falun Gong Practitioners May Be Amongst Exhibits
In part because Premier Exhibitions, Inc. was not able to provide information as to the source of the body specimens used in the exhibition, Falun Gong practitioners overseas are concerned that these are the bodies of fellow practitioners who were tortured to death.
"The sale of organs and human bodies by the Chinese Communist regime is an inhuman, barbaric undertaking; it is a humiliation to all Chinese citizens. It also challenges the conscience and human rights values of the U.S. public." Epoch Times columnist and Falun Gong expert Zhang Tianliang holds the view that such concerns are not unreasonable because situations like this are very likely and almost unavoidable in light of the history and recent practices of the Communist regime.
CONTINUED...
http://en.epochtimes.com/news/6-3-29/39840.html
PS: I am sorry to have caused anyone pain. My point is that human beings -- whether in China, Detroit or Pakistan -- these days are treated as if they were mere things, to be used and disposed.
flamingdem
(39,314 posts)I think it's quite valid to post the helioKitty, most art is valid and moreso if it starts a conversation.
I am usually ultra open minded but I got the feeling this person is a tad off in the personality department!
I guess it's the defenseless quality plus I think it's undignified to do things with bodies after death, of course
the Chinese example trumps the kitty x100000
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Poppy Frankenstein's Cat.
From the National Security Archives:
In a project known as Acoustic Kitty the Directorate of Science and Technology sought to train a surgically altered cat, wired with transmitting and control devices, to become a mobile, eavesdropping platform. In its first test, the cat was run over by a taxi. According to Victor Marchetti:
they slit the cat open, put batteries in him, wired him up. The tail was used as an antenna. They made a monstrosity. They tested him and tested him. They found he would walk off the job when he got hungry, so they put another wire in to override that. Finally, theyre ready. They took it out to a park bench and said Listen to those two guys. Dont listen to anything else not the birds, no cat or dog just those two guys! ... They put him out of the van, and a taxi comes and runs him over. There they were, sitting in the van with all those dials, and the cat was dead!3
This heavily redacted memo appears to express the view that cats can be altered and trained to perform certain tasks. At the same time, it notes that the environment and security factors in using this technique in a real foreign situation force us to conclude that, for our (intelligence) purposes, it would not be practical.
PDF of Memo
Mairead
(9,557 posts)Straight prison or psychiatric prison, but prison.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)And I thought so to, but upon reflection the crazy thing said something to me:
Glenn Greenwald: Obamas Secret Kill List "The Most Radical Power a Government Can Seize"
Along with the occassional crook, we are killing a lot of innocent human beings.
SharonAnn
(13,777 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)trumad
(41,692 posts)If it was the artist grandmother ...not too funny, eh?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)That's why I'm so, eh, bugged by the current drone war of "targeted killing." A lot of innocent grandmothers have lost their lives -- and their kids and grandkids' lives.
Even the oil-soaked Council of Foreign Relations types are wondering:
How Many Civilians Are Killed by U.S. Drones?
Sources quoted in the article range between 24-200 -- more since the numbers were collected.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)but not cats!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)It may seem painless, but drone war in Afghanistan is destroying the West's reputation
A new phase of secret, unaccountable and illegal warfare is being deployed by General Petraeus and the CIA.
Peter Oborne
The Telegraph (UK) May 30, 2012
EXCERPT...
But by 2005, it was obvious that the strategy was failing. The resurgence of the Taliban, and the success of the Iraqi insurgencies, led to an urgent reassessment. In desperation, the United States turned to the more sophisticated methodology once favoured by the British and before them the Romans the elaboration of a system of alliances, otherwise known as divide and rule.
This was the second phase, the surge of 2007, which made the reputation of General David Petraeus and rescued the second Bush presidency from disaster. Of greater significance than the temporary increase in troop numbers on the ground was the decision by the Western Iraqi tribes, encouraged by the payment of enormous bribes, to detach themselves, at least temporarily, from al-Qaeda.
The same tactics did not work, however, when duplicated two years later in Afghanistan and so US policy has unobtrusively moved into a third phase: a new and as yet only partially understood doctrine of secret, unaccountable and illegal warfare.
SNIP...
So, in the US, drone strikes are a good thing. In Pakistan, from where I write this, it is impossible to overestimate the anger and distress they cause. Almost all Pakistanis feel that they are personally under attack, and that America tramples on their precarious national sovereignty. There are good reasons for this. When, last year in Lahore, an out-of-control CIA operative shot dead two reportedly unarmed Pakistanis, and his follow-up car ran over and killed a third, the American was spirited out of the country.
CONTINUED...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/9300187/It-may-seem-painless-but-drone-war-in-Afghanistan-is-destroying-the-Wests-reputation.html
zappaman
(20,606 posts)I feel special.
sudopod
(5,019 posts)either a picture of holocaust victims in mass graves, or someone being mean to a kitten. By a vast majority, people were more outraged over the kittens.
flamingdem
(39,314 posts)on small animals
Mairead
(9,557 posts)Three reasons:
- Big-Beard religions teach that humans are "special" and therefore should be treated better than we treat "soulless" non-humans. But I note that politicians demand that we treat them better than they treat us. Coincidence? Not even slightly. Self-serving crap in both cases, designed to justify the worst behaviors and protect the perps.
- Cats are one of our three (dogs, cats, horses) non-human social symbiote species and, it's believed, the only one of the three that voluntarily joined us. (One theory is that they approached while hunting, became fascinated by the kitten-like antics of human children, and stayed both for the abundant supply of food and for the physical affection --they enjoy the cuddling and petting and respond by purring; we enjoy the purring and respond with more cuddling and petting)
- Human adults have at least some agency, some power to resist or escape; kittens and other children have none, and to abuse them is so vile as to be indescribable.
:/
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)flamingdem
(39,314 posts)Why stop at the cat? So many other animals to mess with -- and as the addiction grows .. there's Johnny next door. Art, schmart.