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The Northerner

(5,040 posts)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 05:39 PM Jun 2012

US drone campaign fuels terror

More than a decade after George W Bush launched it, the "war on terror" was supposed to be winding down.

United States military occupation of Iraq has ended and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) is looking for a way out of Afghanistan.

But another war - the undeclared drone war that has already killed thousands - is now being relentlessly escalated.

From Pakistan to Somalia, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)-controlled pilotless aircraft rain Hellfire missiles on an ever-expanding hit list of terrorist suspects. They have already killed hundreds, perhaps thousands, of civilians in the process.

The US decision to step up the drone war again in Pakistan, opposed by both government and parliament in Islamabad as illegal and a violation of sovereignty, reflects its fury at the jailing of a CIA agent involved in the Osama bin Laden hunt and Pakistan's refusal to reopen supply routes for NATO forces in Afghanistan.


Read more: http://www.todayonline.com/World/EDC120605-0000004/US-drone-campaign-fuels-terror


If a foreign power decided to constantly bomb and slaughter US citizens on US soil based solely on suspicion and no trial, wouldn't many of us be feel just as outraged and possibly motivated to resort to violence as a means of retaliation?
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US drone campaign fuels terror (Original Post) The Northerner Jun 2012 OP
Drone war creates new enemies faster than it kills the old ones. Octafish Jun 2012 #1
Mission Accomplished! n/t Wilms Jun 2012 #4
Did you see the Orvillecopter? Octafish Jun 2012 #5
Yes. An interesting link on that page led to this story. Wilms Jun 2012 #6
A Democratic C in C putting hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars into a bat-shit crazy Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #17
"If a foreign power decided to constantly bomb and slaughter US citizens on US soil..." Life Long Dem Jun 2012 #2
Exactly. We are the top bully. It's no wonder we have a bully generation. nm rhett o rick Jun 2012 #8
Who is the bully? The terrorist or the defense against terrorism? Life Long Dem Jun 2012 #9
To answer your question, RC Jun 2012 #10
WTF do you really care about foreign terrorist? Life Long Dem Jun 2012 #11
How do I shot web? sudopod Jun 2012 #12
Said the newbie Life Long Dem Jun 2012 #13
They didn't get webbernets out here in my cave till 2008, gimme a break. nt sudopod Jun 2012 #14
How does anyone here know they are terrorists? RC Jun 2012 #20
We are the world's biggest bully nation. Can you spell Vietnam? rhett o rick Jun 2012 #21
We are no longer a super power, nor would we nuke anyone. morningfog Jun 2012 #16
And the usual suspects will believe our superior arsenal will beat them into submission. lunatica Jun 2012 #3
OK I give up. limpyhobbler Jun 2012 #7
Just keep digging that hole, idiots. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #15
This, beyond any question of legality, constituionality or even morality, should be enough morningfog Jun 2012 #18
+100 The Northerner Jun 2012 #22
Drones are America's latest Wonder Weapon to keep us from admitting to another lost war. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #19

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
1. Drone war creates new enemies faster than it kills the old ones.
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 05:41 PM
Jun 2012

Works like a charm for the warmonger set.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
6. Yes. An interesting link on that page led to this story.
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 06:54 PM
Jun 2012
C.I.A. Said to Use Outsiders to Put Bombs on Drones

By JAMES RISEN and MARK MAZZETTI
The New York Times
August 21, 2009

WASHINGTON — From a secret division at its North Carolina headquarters, the company formerly known as Blackwater has assumed a role in Washington’s most important counterterrorism program: the use of remotely piloted drones to kill Al Qaeda’s leaders, according to government officials and current and former employees.

The division’s operations are carried out at hidden bases in Pakistan and Afghanistan, where the company’s contractors assemble and load Hellfire missiles and 500-pound laser-guided bombs on remotely piloted Predator aircraft, work previously performed by employees of the Central Intelligence Agency. They also provide security at the covert bases, the officials said.

The role of the company in the Predator program highlights the degree to which the C.I.A. now depends on outside contractors to perform some of the agency’s most important assignments. And it illustrates the resilience of Blackwater, now known as Xe (pronounced Zee) Services, though most people in and outside the company still refer to it as Blackwater. It has grown through government work, even as it attracted criticism and allegations of brutality in Iraq.

SNIP...

In interviews on Thursday, current and former government officials provided new details about Blackwater’s association with the assassination program, which began in 2004 not long after Porter J. Goss took over at the C.I.A. The officials said that the spy agency did not dispatch the Blackwater executives with a “license to kill.” Instead, it ordered the contractors to begin collecting information on the whereabouts of Al Qaeda’s leaders, carry out surveillance and train for possible missions.

“The actual pulling of a trigger in some ways is the easiest part, and the part that requires the least expertise,” said one government official familiar with the canceled C.I.A. program. “It’s everything that leads up to it that’s the meat of the issue.”

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/us/21intel.html


What possible conflict of interests could arise?


 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
17. A Democratic C in C putting hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars into a bat-shit crazy
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 09:00 PM
Jun 2012

Reich-winger's pockets. How uniquely American.

 

Life Long Dem

(8,582 posts)
2. "If a foreign power decided to constantly bomb and slaughter US citizens on US soil..."
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 05:45 PM
Jun 2012
never happen. We are a super power. They start any shit we will nuke them.
 

RC

(25,592 posts)
10. To answer your question,
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 08:12 PM
Jun 2012

Our "Defense" against terrorism is even worse terrorism than any terrorism they can do.
Why is our military even there in the first place, let alone destroying homes and families, killing people, mostly innocents, on somebody's say so?

How is this "Defending our Freedom"?

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
20. How does anyone here know they are terrorists?
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 09:10 PM
Jun 2012

Because they are now dead and someone says so after the fact? Because Fox news and CNN reports on a press release put out by our "Defense Department"?

Those citizens were in their own country, trying to live their lives. We are ones violating their country's sovereignty with impunity and killing their people without proof, visiting terrorism on them wiht our drones from miles away and we call them terrorists? How does this cure the terrorist problem, anyway?
What are we doing in their country in the first place?

Don't you believe in investigations, arrests, trials? Or is that too much trouble?

WTF do you really care about foreign terrorist?

They are people just like us and deserve the same Geneva Convention Rights as we do.
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
21. We are the world's biggest bully nation. Can you spell Vietnam?
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 08:25 AM
Jun 2012

We are currently breaking international laws killing who ever the president thinks is a terrorist without any process. We wont hold Bush/Cheney accountable because no one can make us.

You post boasting about how we would nuke anyone that dared take us on says one hell of a lot.

I have no love for terrorists and I believe that our country is using terrorism.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
3. And the usual suspects will believe our superior arsenal will beat them into submission.
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 05:47 PM
Jun 2012

This is so depressing and so predictable.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
18. This, beyond any question of legality, constituionality or even morality, should be enough
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 09:01 PM
Jun 2012

for everyone to oppose this stupid fucking policy. IT DOESN'T WORK. It makes us less safe and more hated.

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