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It's not slut shaming to put a fact out there. (Original Post) UtahJosh Feb 2016 OP
I think the Clinton camp would do well to avoid shit like that altogether. djean111 Feb 2016 #1
Agreed. And Bernie's camp should avoid it though for different reasons. n/t pampango Feb 2016 #6
Oh please, they're all good friends..n/t monmouth4 Feb 2016 #34
Disagree. This does not belong on DU. stevenleser Feb 2016 #2
I'm doing it on Twitter in a GE JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #4
I understand and share your anger but I'm betting this will backfire. stevenleser Feb 2016 #9
Nope! JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #10
How does sinking to their level define you as a person? Kittycat Feb 2016 #13
Well I've been very successful in Corporate America JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #17
Don't become them Kittycat Feb 2016 #33
Lol, OMG you said bring Republicans to heel.... giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #11
So what is it you want here at DU? jberryhill Feb 2016 #24
Slut-shaming anywhere is nothing but slut-shaming. It's wrong because it's wrong. Iggo Feb 2016 #37
Leave spouses alone rjsquirrel Feb 2016 #3
Link? In_The_Wind Feb 2016 #5
No need for a link UtahJosh Feb 2016 #8
I think it's tasteless. In_The_Wind Feb 2016 #30
Leave the families out of it, please madokie Feb 2016 #7
Why? skepticscott Feb 2016 #15
If Democrats trash Melania Trump, watch out Bill Clinton. Vinca Feb 2016 #12
Hasn't Bill Clinton been trashed for more then a couple of decades now? Kaleva Feb 2016 #31
And he brought it all on himself. Vinca Feb 2016 #36
Sometimes it's the little things in life that bring us joy. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #14
Trump is not the only candidate whose spouse is vulnerable to "slut shaming". djean111 Feb 2016 #18
Who doesn't know that Bills a manwhore? giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #20
My grandson, who is a fervent Bernie supporter, just says heh-heh-heh about Bill. djean111 Feb 2016 #22
Well good for your grandson. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #23
Younger people know about Bill's own actions AND his posturing against marriage equality and Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #27
I am a younger person, have teenage son's & sex nor marriage giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #29
You miss the point. Young people I know don't care about sleeping around either, but they sure as Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #32
Clinton has more problems than kiss and tell from old girlfriends Angel Martin Feb 2016 #41
You know how when trump says something bigoted noamnety Feb 2016 #16
Calling a woman a slut is a shame. patricia92243 Feb 2016 #19
This OP does not put any fact 'out there' it just insinuates sluttishness. So that sort of makes Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #21
The "other DUer" already reiterated her position here in the thread. UtahJosh Feb 2016 #26
That's not in your OP, nor is there any 'fact' you are putting out there. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #28
I don't know what you mean by "a large frame", but UtahJosh Feb 2016 #39
hey, with any luck, we can finally wrest the mantle of "party of hypocritical scolds and sex-hating Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #25
Are you a misogynist? lunatica Feb 2016 #35
I look forward to years of constructive, progressive posts from you. Orrex Feb 2016 #38
Disagree. If they said this about a Dem's wife we would freak out. Trump is an idiot, leave wife out Logical Feb 2016 #40
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. I think the Clinton camp would do well to avoid shit like that altogether.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 08:56 AM
Feb 2016

Glass houses and all that.

JustAnotherGen

(31,924 posts)
4. I'm doing it on Twitter in a GE
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:02 AM
Feb 2016

It has nothing to do with Clinton's campaign. There is going to pay back for the way Michelle was treated all of these years. Doesn't need to be at DU - and doesn't need HRC's approval or disapproval. If the First Lady tells us to stop that's fine. I will not be kind or respectful of the second coming of Eva Braun. They were rotten to Michelle - she's an easy target to bring the Republicans to heel.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
9. I understand and share your anger but I'm betting this will backfire.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:10 AM
Feb 2016

Much better to take the high road.

JustAnotherGen

(31,924 posts)
10. Nope!
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:11 AM
Feb 2016

I've got 8 black women with me.

We also keep reaching out to the DListed guy. If there are goods out there - he will have them. Or obtain them.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
13. How does sinking to their level define you as a person?
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:15 AM
Feb 2016

Slut shaming. Really. Is this what the Democratic Party has adopted now?

JustAnotherGen

(31,924 posts)
17. Well I've been very successful in Corporate America
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:28 AM
Feb 2016

Telecom.

You know what they say about people who are successful in Corporate America don't you?

If you choose to define me that way - good for you!

Black women have been defined as

Mammies
Jezebels (look up night time desegregation - rapes of black women during Jim Crow)
Angry
Welfare Queens
Crack Shores
Etc etc

Seeing the highest black woman in America degraded all of these years? Someone elite black women relate to?

So be it - we've been called worse and defined worse by this country for hundreds of years. She is an easy target for the ANGER simmering under the surface at America for years.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
33. Don't become them
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:55 PM
Feb 2016

I live in what sometimes feels like the rebellious red holdout of a blue state. The stuff I hear, and what people will openly say or put in writing turns my stomach.

Yet we have still managed to push through many of her initiatives to improve our community through public gardens, park expansion, trails and expanding education programs in schools.

Try to do good always, despite the obstacles your faced with. Fight people that limit advancement by shining a light on their words and actions, don't let them take your voice or use it against you. And work with people to make honest change, even when you know they aren't honest people.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
11. Lol, OMG you said bring Republicans to heel....
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:13 AM
Feb 2016

I wonder how many threads are going to be started calling you racist against republicans?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
24. So what is it you want here at DU?
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:50 AM
Feb 2016

Approval? An attaboy? Some kind of congratulations on your brilliant plan?

In case you haven't noticed, most of the people who've responded to you have indicated they think it is stupid, juvenile and counterproductive. The defense of "other people have done stupid shit" is the standard defense of people doing stupid shit.

Knock yourself out, but nobody gives a shit what she did for a living.

Iggo

(47,574 posts)
37. Slut-shaming anywhere is nothing but slut-shaming. It's wrong because it's wrong.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:29 PM
Feb 2016

If you do that, it doesn't matter why you did it.

If you do that, you're now the kind of person who does that.

If you do that, that's who you are.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
7. Leave the families out of it, please
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:06 AM
Feb 2016

I think that has kept a lot of good people from being a candidate over the years.
I know in my personal life you can say or do to me what I won't even dream of allowing to happen to my family. I believe many feel the same way. So leave the family out of this

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
15. Why?
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:17 AM
Feb 2016

Every serious presidential candidate uses their family to promote themselves politically. When they parade their wife and well-scrubbed kids out on a stage somewhere and try to send the message "Look at me, I'm a great husband and family man, so you can trust me to be a great president", THEY are the ones who have opened the door and made their family life relevant and legitimate topics for discussion.

Don't want your family to be part of the debate? Leave them the fuck out of it.

Vinca

(50,313 posts)
12. If Democrats trash Melania Trump, watch out Bill Clinton.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:14 AM
Feb 2016

I imagine Melania will come out looking like a saint in comparison.

Vinca

(50,313 posts)
36. And he brought it all on himself.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:14 PM
Feb 2016

I imagine the Trump detectives are trying to find out what he was doing with all his free time when Hillary was overseas as Secretary of State.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
14. Sometimes it's the little things in life that bring us joy.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:16 AM
Feb 2016

I don't think pointing out facts is slut shaming.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
18. Trump is not the only candidate whose spouse is vulnerable to "slut shaming".
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:29 AM
Feb 2016

FFS, Bill has been disbarred and fined because of Other Women.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
20. Who doesn't know that Bills a manwhore?
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:30 AM
Feb 2016

On top of that who gives a shit? Not my generation or younger that's for damn sure.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
22. My grandson, who is a fervent Bernie supporter, just says heh-heh-heh about Bill.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:37 AM
Feb 2016

Bill is a joke to him and his friends.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
27. Younger people know about Bill's own actions AND his posturing against marriage equality and
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:55 AM
Feb 2016

taken together that makes many younger people dislike him and her. It's one thing to say 'oh, it's so charming that he's a horn dog' but when you follow that up with 'Marriage is sacred and those homosexuals should not be allowed to taint it' right after you snicker about cigars and interns, that's raging hypocrisy and exploitation of other people as cover up for yourself.
So they used LGBT as cover for him. It's too late to dismiss his own behavior as irrelevant. His behavior coupled with their rhetoric about good same sex households is in fact why I'd much rather no have her as nominee.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
29. I am a younger person, have teenage son's & sex nor marriage
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:59 AM
Feb 2016

are taken nearly as seriously as you seem to think. If you think an ad pointing out that Bill slept around is going to garnish any interest you are solely mistaken.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
32. You miss the point. Young people I know don't care about sleeping around either, but they sure as
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 10:30 AM
Feb 2016

hell don't care for hypocrites who sleep around then preach about how sinful other people are. See? It's not the sex, it's the faked up moral outrage at other people having sex or making families coupled with their own freewheeling way of life.
It's the inconsistency, the double standard, the holding up of LGBT as inferior because of Christian Standards which those berating us do not even pretend to live by.

So you assertion is that young folks just love old people who fuck around while shaming other people's sexuality? They see that as super good? I think you are super wrong.

Angel Martin

(942 posts)
41. Clinton has more problems than kiss and tell from old girlfriends
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:34 PM
Feb 2016
http://gawker.com/flight-logs-put-clinton-dershowitz-on-pedophile-billio-1681039971

a bunch of new evidence came out against Epstein, and prosecutors want to void his plea deal and charge him with additional underage molestations.

If there is a trial, Clinton and other prominent people may come up, and even may be called as witnesses.

Any association with Epstein (billionaire hedge fund creep and sexual predator) is not what you want during an election campaign.
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
21. This OP does not put any fact 'out there' it just insinuates sluttishness. So that sort of makes
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:31 AM
Feb 2016

the OP a fact free, link free opportunity for you to say 'slut'. Where are these facts? Who is 'another DUer'? What am I supposed to agree or disagree with?

UtahJosh

(131 posts)
26. The "other DUer" already reiterated her position here in the thread.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:54 AM
Feb 2016

"JustAnotherGen" said exactly what I quoted in another thread, and then reiterated her position here (and added to it).

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
28. That's not in your OP, nor is there any 'fact' you are putting out there.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:58 AM
Feb 2016

As I said, your OP puts no fact out there at all, and seems to be just a large frame for the word 'slut'. It is possible to ask the question without that word. But you are not even asking a question. Just saying the word.

UtahJosh

(131 posts)
39. I don't know what you mean by "a large frame", but
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:37 PM
Feb 2016

again, it was a direct quote. I quoted it, then asked if others agreed with such a position.
And the composer has identified herself, so it's not as though the quote itself is in question.

And I most definitely am asking a question. The question is, do you or do you not agree with that type of sentiment.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
25. hey, with any luck, we can finally wrest the mantle of "party of hypocritical scolds and sex-hating
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:54 AM
Feb 2016

prudes" away from the GOP, which has held it so effectively for so long.

Combine that with Debbie Wasserman Schultz running around insulting everyone from Millennials to the states that have voted for legal pot, and boy, our brand is gonna smell GREAT!



lunatica

(53,410 posts)
35. Are you a misogynist?
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:13 PM
Feb 2016

You sound like one. Especially when you hide behind 'putting out facts' as your argument to slut shame. You also sound just like Donald Trump does after he insults everyone. He puts up his hands, does his ducklips all frowny look and shrugs regardless of how crass and vituperative he is.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
40. Disagree. If they said this about a Dem's wife we would freak out. Trump is an idiot, leave wife out
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:38 PM
Feb 2016
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