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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI really liked Chris Rock's opening but
the message needs to be broadened, it is just not black actors being left out, it is also Latino and Asian actors, there is even less exposure, so when it is mentioned people of color it shouldn't just mean black people. Look what is going in this country the outright hatred of the Latino community by the rightwing.
So it is a little disappointing when become a white/black argument with Latinos and Asians left on the sidelines
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Others have noted this frustration on twitter as well.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)do you know where I can read some of them
thanks
Lancero
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UncleTomsEvilBrother
(945 posts)While I totally agree with your overall sentiment regarding people of color, I'm not sure if it was Rock's duty to speak anybody's plight but his own. In fact, Asians and Hispanics have totally different forms of discrimination from the other two groups. Those forms of discrimination should be highlighted in their own light. Broadening that message runs the risk of putting every group under the same umbrella.
Chris Rock spoke of what he knows.
#notyourmule
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)His "plight"?
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Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Best thing I've read all day...
Judi Lynn
(160,630 posts)doesn't fool anyone.
Clearly the poster said nothing at all to bring on that absurd hostility trying to disguise itself as "humor".
The point still stands, they point is valid.
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UncleTomsEvilBrother
(945 posts)This post was not very cool at all. I'm not jealous of the privilege you must feel in order to openly post like this. My religion allows me to wish you a good day, though.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Isn't the whole point of the Oscar's about black celebrities?
Poor, poor Will Smith boycotted. He is worth $250 million.
Talk about privileges. How he must have suffered, and is STILL suffering.
Spike Lee? Worth $40 million.
Chris Rock? Worth $70 million. If he is gonna talk about what he knows, well he doesn't know poverty. Not any more.
Although it IS kinda crazy. Somehow, he is not worth as much as Carrot Top. How the fuck did Carrot Top get to $75 million?
gabeana
(3,166 posts)when the oscar noms were announced the outrage was there was a lack of diversity, diversity is more than just black and white , especially when one group latino account for over 17% of the population a sizeable amount more than the black population and in a generation will be the largest group in the richest state in the union. And if we were all under the same umbrella that is a good thing unity brings more power, right no rock is getting criticism for his Asian joke http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Asians-not-spared-by-Chris-Rock-at-Oscars-6859767.php
UncleTomsEvilBrother
(945 posts)A bigger problem is lumping groups of people together in a prejudice fashion without regard to singular identity. In doing so, specific forms of discrimination that are germane to minorities are dismissed, ignored, or altogether forgotten. Hostile generalizations (like in this thread) happen quite frequently these days when one sits behind a keyboard and has the ability to broadcast their "opinion" to the masses without repercussion.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,628 posts)Sorry about those who are twisting your words and deliberately missing your point.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)it matters that some groups feel they get left out of the discussion and the focus on lack diversity only means a narrow definition?
maybe I am wrong but has there been a Latino-American host the Oscars or a big awards ceremony, maybe there has I just don't know about.
but I have to go teach my course on History of Race and Ethnicity in America, todays topic of how even after slavery black americans were still made slaves through being arrested and contracted to industry in the south as chain gang labor, through the exploiting of the 13th amendment. It is a sad and horrifying history
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)up much louder. I would really have liked Rock to have spoken for all too. But I hope Latinos/Hispanics, and others, choose to vote loud. That's a statement that can rock America's world.
One thing, though -- this movement of black people focusing on black problems is having a real effect, forcing real change. I'm not sure on a practical level those activists should change what is working. Not while it's working and in the process helping all.
In fact, in a bigger sense, today's warriors literally are helping all of us, not just members of minorities, and I don't think I'm in a very good position to criticize their tactics from my lawn chair.
UncleTomsEvilBrother
(945 posts)I bet you are a wonderful Instructor, but we still slightly differ in our approach to the lack of diversity. As an African American, I would donate, door knock, and march to have a Latino-American to experience victory and triumph where Latino-Americans have been marginalized; however, I would only feel comfortable being behind Latino-Americans in that effort. Latino-Americans have faced their own brand of discrimination, and every one of those hateful forms should be highlighted. I know we differ in this, but I would only feel comfortable being led by Latino-Americans in my effort to combat specific discrimination.
Again, though Rock has a platform, I think we are in danger of cancelling each other out if we all try to fight for the center.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)talk over some drinks, cheers
Judi Lynn
(160,630 posts)Anyone who opts to use every opening to take a kick at any minority member human being doesn't realize he/she is strictly out of line.
No excuses.
It doesn't go over with anyone but other racists, and modern Democrats are NOT racists.
B2G
(9,766 posts)was pretty ghastly.
And those poor Asian children.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)TBF
(32,098 posts)Rock talked about what he knows & hopefully it will make folks think and translate to action in the form of being more inclusive.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)The United States is not just White/Black country unfortunately it becomes I just look out for my own and don't care about anybody else mantra
what even makes it more puzzling is that Rock has spoken out against the treatment of Latinos in Hollywood before so he does have empathy for others just wish on the large platform he had last night he would of expressed it
I take these words of Howard Zinn to heart We don't have to personally experience bad to know bad (paraphrasing here)
and don't be so condescending I really did like it, it was biting and spoke largely to truth that makes the powers that be uncomfortable
TBF
(32,098 posts)itcfish
(1,828 posts)because many latinos are LILY WHITE. Why do they keep making latinos a separate race. Latinos are Black White, Natives and everything in between!!!
gabeana
(3,166 posts)African descendants from Caribbean and south American see themselves as latino, read the Bio of the great Roberto Clemente from Puerto Rico, he was a ground breaker,not much different than the great Jackie Robinson, for Latino Ball players and they had the double whammy of being dark/black and non English speakers. There is a movement by Latinos and his family to get his number retired by major league baseball, just like Robinson, the proponents of this are getting push back from the Robinson family, you can read about it in David Zirin book A peoples of history of Sports
Svafa
(594 posts)but I became increasingly uncomfortable with the monologue. The comments about people in the past not protesting things like the Oscars because they had more important things to protest implies that (1) there are not more important things to protest now (really? Seeing black people gunned down by cops who get off scot-free isn't an important civil rights issue that we are currently dealing with?), and (2) that the casual racism called into question by the "Oscars so white" protests isn't important/worth thinking about.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)And I wondered if many were just doing it because it was a black man telling it in the same cadence he used for jokes. He also veered off into dismissiveness of sexism at the end, with his bit about 'all men wear the same thing'. Seems like there are as many different fashion houses turning out suits and tuxes as there are dresses, so yeah, you could be asking all the men 'who they're wearing' if that's such a damnfire important thing to ask women.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Hes a comedian. He made a few jokes. I thought he did a good job
Warpy
(111,352 posts)Roles in Hollywood are especially dismal.