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gabeana

(3,166 posts)
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:05 PM Feb 2016

I really liked Chris Rock's opening but

the message needs to be broadened, it is just not black actors being left out, it is also Latino and Asian actors, there is even less exposure, so when it is mentioned people of color it shouldn't just mean black people. Look what is going in this country the outright hatred of the Latino community by the rightwing.
So it is a little disappointing when become a white/black argument with Latinos and Asians left on the sidelines

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I really liked Chris Rock's opening but (Original Post) gabeana Feb 2016 OP
Good points oberliner Feb 2016 #1
That is good to hear gabeana Feb 2016 #3
Looking at a breakdown of recent nominations (And wins) makes that point even more apparent. Lancero Feb 2016 #2
I'm not sure what you were expecting from Chris Rock UncleTomsEvilBrother Feb 2016 #4
"anybody's plight but his own" jberryhill Feb 2016 #5
*golf clap* Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #7
Using someone's word choice to make a wild misrepresentation of his/her meaning for spite Judi Lynn Feb 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author UncleTomsEvilBrother Feb 2016 #11
Unfortunate UncleTomsEvilBrother Feb 2016 #12
How much privilege? hfojvt Feb 2016 #30
respectfully disagree gabeana Feb 2016 #6
There is a danger in that, though. UncleTomsEvilBrother Feb 2016 #10
Good post. I agree with you. fleur-de-lisa Feb 2016 #14
Maybe we have a disagreement but do you think gabeana Feb 2016 #20
I think Hispanics and others need to speak Hortensis Feb 2016 #23
Thanks for responding UncleTomsEvilBrother Feb 2016 #24
we would probably have a good gabeana Feb 2016 #25
There's never ANY excuse for introducing racist material disguised as general comment. Judi Lynn Feb 2016 #8
Seeing the audiance laugh at the lynching comments B2G Feb 2016 #13
That was awful. Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #21
"I really liked ... but" is always a red flag for me - TBF Feb 2016 #15
I am not the only one gabeana Feb 2016 #17
I didn't mean to be condescending if it sounded that way. nt TBF Feb 2016 #22
Well it could be itcfish Feb 2016 #16
It is the region of the world they come from gabeana Feb 2016 #18
It started off well, Svafa Feb 2016 #19
Some of the things the audience laughed at made me go 'ick'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #26
I didnt see a problem with it Travis_0004 Feb 2016 #29
And women of all colors, who are now generally shown only as accoutrements to men Warpy Feb 2016 #27
very true nt gabeana Feb 2016 #28

Lancero

(3,015 posts)
2. Looking at a breakdown of recent nominations (And wins) makes that point even more apparent.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 12:07 AM
Feb 2016

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4. I'm not sure what you were expecting from Chris Rock
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:05 AM
Feb 2016

While I totally agree with your overall sentiment regarding people of color, I'm not sure if it was Rock's duty to speak anybody's plight but his own. In fact, Asians and Hispanics have totally different forms of discrimination from the other two groups. Those forms of discrimination should be highlighted in their own light. Broadening that message runs the risk of putting every group under the same umbrella.

Chris Rock spoke of what he knows.

#notyourmule

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
5. "anybody's plight but his own"
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:03 AM
Feb 2016

His "plight"?

Yes, we're all touched and saddened by the burdens and sorrows of Chris Rock.

But now there's something we can do about it.

As little as $500 a day can buy a hot nutritious lunch for an African American celebrity. Through the Hollywood Relief Fund, your generous donations go to maintaining a permanently reserved table at the finest restaurants from Hollywood to Beverly Hills.

Please, don't let Samuel L. Jackson or Denzel Washington miss another meal at Spago. Give generously.

Judi Lynn

(160,630 posts)
9. Using someone's word choice to make a wild misrepresentation of his/her meaning for spite
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:46 AM
Feb 2016

doesn't fool anyone.

Clearly the poster said nothing at all to bring on that absurd hostility trying to disguise itself as "humor".

The point still stands, they point is valid.

Response to jberryhill (Reply #5)

12. Unfortunate
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 12:51 PM
Feb 2016

This post was not very cool at all. I'm not jealous of the privilege you must feel in order to openly post like this. My religion allows me to wish you a good day, though.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
30. How much privilege?
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 08:24 PM
Feb 2016

Isn't the whole point of the Oscar's about black celebrities?

Poor, poor Will Smith boycotted. He is worth $250 million.

Talk about privileges. How he must have suffered, and is STILL suffering.

Spike Lee? Worth $40 million.

Chris Rock? Worth $70 million. If he is gonna talk about what he knows, well he doesn't know poverty. Not any more.

Although it IS kinda crazy. Somehow, he is not worth as much as Carrot Top. How the fuck did Carrot Top get to $75 million?

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
6. respectfully disagree
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:09 AM
Feb 2016

when the oscar noms were announced the outrage was there was a lack of diversity, diversity is more than just black and white , especially when one group latino account for over 17% of the population a sizeable amount more than the black population and in a generation will be the largest group in the richest state in the union. And if we were all under the same umbrella that is a good thing unity brings more power, right no rock is getting criticism for his Asian joke http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Asians-not-spared-by-Chris-Rock-at-Oscars-6859767.php

10. There is a danger in that, though.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 12:48 PM
Feb 2016

A bigger problem is lumping groups of people together in a prejudice fashion without regard to singular identity. In doing so, specific forms of discrimination that are germane to minorities are dismissed, ignored, or altogether forgotten. Hostile generalizations (like in this thread) happen quite frequently these days when one sits behind a keyboard and has the ability to broadcast their "opinion" to the masses without repercussion.

fleur-de-lisa

(14,628 posts)
14. Good post. I agree with you.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:24 PM
Feb 2016

Sorry about those who are twisting your words and deliberately missing your point.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
20. Maybe we have a disagreement but do you think
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:58 PM
Feb 2016

it matters that some groups feel they get left out of the discussion and the focus on lack diversity only means a narrow definition?
maybe I am wrong but has there been a Latino-American host the Oscars or a big awards ceremony, maybe there has I just don't know about.
but I have to go teach my course on History of Race and Ethnicity in America, todays topic of how even after slavery black americans were still made slaves through being arrested and contracted to industry in the south as chain gang labor, through the exploiting of the 13th amendment. It is a sad and horrifying history

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. I think Hispanics and others need to speak
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 04:01 PM
Feb 2016

up much louder. I would really have liked Rock to have spoken for all too. But I hope Latinos/Hispanics, and others, choose to vote loud. That's a statement that can rock America's world.

One thing, though -- this movement of black people focusing on black problems is having a real effect, forcing real change. I'm not sure on a practical level those activists should change what is working. Not while it's working and in the process helping all.

In fact, in a bigger sense, today's warriors literally are helping all of us, not just members of minorities, and I don't think I'm in a very good position to criticize their tactics from my lawn chair.






24. Thanks for responding
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:15 PM
Feb 2016

I bet you are a wonderful Instructor, but we still slightly differ in our approach to the lack of diversity. As an African American, I would donate, door knock, and march to have a Latino-American to experience victory and triumph where Latino-Americans have been marginalized; however, I would only feel comfortable being behind Latino-Americans in that effort. Latino-Americans have faced their own brand of discrimination, and every one of those hateful forms should be highlighted. I know we differ in this, but I would only feel comfortable being led by Latino-Americans in my effort to combat specific discrimination.

Again, though Rock has a platform, I think we are in danger of cancelling each other out if we all try to fight for the center.

Judi Lynn

(160,630 posts)
8. There's never ANY excuse for introducing racist material disguised as general comment.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:42 AM
Feb 2016

Anyone who opts to use every opening to take a kick at any minority member human being doesn't realize he/she is strictly out of line.

No excuses.

It doesn't go over with anyone but other racists, and modern Democrats are NOT racists.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
13. Seeing the audiance laugh at the lynching comments
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 12:54 PM
Feb 2016

was pretty ghastly.

And those poor Asian children.

TBF

(32,098 posts)
15. "I really liked ... but" is always a red flag for me -
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:29 PM
Feb 2016

Rock talked about what he knows & hopefully it will make folks think and translate to action in the form of being more inclusive.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
17. I am not the only one
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:42 PM
Feb 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/02/29/the-oscars-were-all-about-diversity-but-people-hated-that-asian-joke/

The United States is not just White/Black country unfortunately it becomes I just look out for my own and don't care about anybody else mantra
what even makes it more puzzling is that Rock has spoken out against the treatment of Latinos in Hollywood before so he does have empathy for others just wish on the large platform he had last night he would of expressed it
I take these words of Howard Zinn to heart We don't have to personally experience bad to know bad (paraphrasing here)

and don't be so condescending I really did like it, it was biting and spoke largely to truth that makes the powers that be uncomfortable

itcfish

(1,828 posts)
16. Well it could be
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:33 PM
Feb 2016

because many latinos are LILY WHITE. Why do they keep making latinos a separate race. Latinos are Black White, Natives and everything in between!!!

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
18. It is the region of the world they come from
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:50 PM
Feb 2016

African descendants from Caribbean and south American see themselves as latino, read the Bio of the great Roberto Clemente from Puerto Rico, he was a ground breaker,not much different than the great Jackie Robinson, for Latino Ball players and they had the double whammy of being dark/black and non English speakers. There is a movement by Latinos and his family to get his number retired by major league baseball, just like Robinson, the proponents of this are getting push back from the Robinson family, you can read about it in David Zirin book A peoples of history of Sports

Svafa

(594 posts)
19. It started off well,
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:58 PM
Feb 2016

but I became increasingly uncomfortable with the monologue. The comments about people in the past not protesting things like the Oscars because they had more important things to protest implies that (1) there are not more important things to protest now (really? Seeing black people gunned down by cops who get off scot-free isn't an important civil rights issue that we are currently dealing with?), and (2) that the casual racism called into question by the "Oscars so white" protests isn't important/worth thinking about.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
26. Some of the things the audience laughed at made me go 'ick'.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:58 PM
Feb 2016

And I wondered if many were just doing it because it was a black man telling it in the same cadence he used for jokes. He also veered off into dismissiveness of sexism at the end, with his bit about 'all men wear the same thing'. Seems like there are as many different fashion houses turning out suits and tuxes as there are dresses, so yeah, you could be asking all the men 'who they're wearing' if that's such a damnfire important thing to ask women.

Warpy

(111,352 posts)
27. And women of all colors, who are now generally shown only as accoutrements to men
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 08:09 PM
Feb 2016

Roles in Hollywood are especially dismal.

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