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*Tulsi Gabbard on Rachel Show NOW. (Original Post) elleng Feb 2016 OP
She is doing excellent! nt revbones Feb 2016 #1
She made a lot of sense DeeDeeNY Feb 2016 #2
Wow, she gave up a lot to support Bernie. lob1 Feb 2016 #3
Hopefully there will be a clip. Thanks :) jillan Feb 2016 #4
Did Rachel ask if she was forced off the DNC? leveymg Feb 2016 #5
14 minutes into her 15. nt onehandle Feb 2016 #6
please do elaborate on what you mean by that Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #10
Truth really bothers you - doesn't it? 840high Mar 2016 #35
She is a fantastic speaker. Meldread Feb 2016 #7
Yes, would be very good to see her there. elleng Feb 2016 #8
She's made a huge, career changing decision . . . brush Feb 2016 #9
Do you realize your statements are false when you say she "trashed Obama" ? Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #11
Just google it. brush Feb 2016 #12
Yeah you made it up. Or are just repeating scripted talking points. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #13
I guess, if you don't think accusing somebody of starting a nuclear war is "trashing them" (link) LannyDeVaney Feb 2016 #16
She didn't accuse him of "starting a nuclear war". She said his policy could lead to one Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #23
Good point. LannyDeVaney Feb 2016 #26
I added this link but you reponded before you saw this brush Feb 2016 #17
your source is newsmax? Wtf really? They twist people's words always. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #24
Yeah yeah. Just showing an ambitious dem vice chair being used to criticise her party's president brush Mar 2016 #27
So what do you say to that CNN link nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #25
All I say is what I said in my original post brush Mar 2016 #29
Being used, now that is quite hysterical nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #33
Who cares about Beohner? brush Mar 2016 #38
Nah what Ii find hyseterical is that you guys keep throwing people nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #40
Who cares if it was in Newsmax or the Times? brush Mar 2016 #41
Alas why I consider this a huge crack nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #42
Ok, you don't want to deal with the obvious agenda-driven endorsement of Bernie by an ambitious pol brush Mar 2016 #43
Just google it. brush Feb 2016 #15
Yup and they are linking to THIS New York Times feature nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #28
Did she or did she not trash both Clinton and Obama on multiple occasions? brush Mar 2016 #30
Nope, you and I have a different definiton of the word "trash" obviously nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #32
She's a hawk. Bernie is not. brush Mar 2016 #39
Can anybody post a summary nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #14
Largely military-related. elleng Feb 2016 #18
Thanks, I just see her and the DNC divorce as a crack a major one nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #19
Glad you think so. elleng Feb 2016 #22
From memory, just hitting the bullet points (no pun intended :)) LannyDeVaney Feb 2016 #20
Given her history nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #21
She's a foreign policy hawk herself. This resignation/endorsement is attention-seeking . . . brush Mar 2016 #31
MY summary: 'Americans faced with reach choice, elleng Mar 2016 #36
I might, I am in a boycott of the network at the moment nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #37
I wasn't impressed... one_voice Mar 2016 #34

Meldread

(4,213 posts)
7. She is a fantastic speaker.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:18 PM
Feb 2016

I would love to see her in the Senate. She would be a fantastic counter balance to McCain and Graham on National Security issues. She has the same type of gravitas that the media loves.

brush

(53,784 posts)
9. She's made a huge, career changing decision . . .
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:23 PM
Feb 2016

that I'm sure she hopes will further her obvious ambition.

She's been pretty vocal for the last few months in trashing Obama and now Clinton to bolster her national profile.

This move, perhaps calculated to get a VP nod from Sanders, is ill-timed however as the Hawaii dem primary isn't until late March.

She should've waited until after Super Tuesday as this news will get buried in the all-but-assured Clinton victory headlines from tomorrow's results.

And Rachel disappointed again. She did ask if Gabbard would vote for Clinton if Sanders doesn't win the nomination but Gabbard dodged the question by giving a wordy non-answer typical of ambitious pols.

Maddow let her get away with the BS answer by not following up and asking her again if she would support the dem nominee whoever it is.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
11. Do you realize your statements are false when you say she "trashed Obama" ?
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:32 PM
Feb 2016

I'm realizing more and more that saying someone "trashed Obama" is what happens when the Democratic Party establishment wants to destroy someone they see as a potential threat.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
13. Yeah you made it up. Or are just repeating scripted talking points.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:41 PM
Feb 2016

She didn't "trash" the Pres.

She has sometimes disagreed on some issues. So what? We're supposed to disagree sometimes.

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
16. I guess, if you don't think accusing somebody of starting a nuclear war is "trashing them" (link)
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:45 PM
Feb 2016

First result of a GIS of 'Tulsi Gabbard Obama". I'm not looking to start an argument over this - I like Mrs. Gabbard. I like Bernie Sanders. But Gabbard is no fan of Obama's foreign policy, just like she doesn't agree with Sec. Clinton's foreign policy. In listening to her interview tonight with R. Maddow, the foreign policy disagreements are why she is supporting Senator Sanders.

[link:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tulsi-gabbard-nuclear-war_us_56607e73e4b08e945fee6015|

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
23. She didn't accuse him of "starting a nuclear war". She said his policy could lead to one
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:56 PM
Feb 2016

You guys don't realize that she is doing Obama a huge favor by being a voice for sanity and diplomacy to help balance out the 300 wackos in Congress that constantly pressure him to take more aggressive military postures against the Russians and in the Middle East.

She pulls the conversation back toward sanity. For example on that no fly zone in Syria, she supported Obama's policy while others including Hillary Clinton are going againast his policy and calling it too weak.

Obama needs that voice of reason in Congress to balance out the lunatics.

brush

(53,784 posts)
17. I added this link but you reponded before you saw this
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:47 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/gabbard-obama-critic-isis/2015/11/29/id/703818/

What's a dem vice chair being feature on an extreme right wing site mouthing repug talking points?

And you only comment on my made-up (not, see the link) trashing of the president instead of the naked and obviously calculated ambition displayed by this woman.
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
25. So what do you say to that CNN link
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:59 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/20/politics/tulsi-gabbard-syria-paris-keep-assad/

Or the NYT that newsmax actually pointed to? Are they also RW sources? I swear I could make this up even if I tried, I understand what is happening, but that is besides the point.

brush

(53,784 posts)
29. All I say is what I said in my original post
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 12:20 AM
Mar 2016

She's an ambitious pol, a DNC vice chair, being used by right wing outlets to criticize her own party's incumbent president.

And IMO, she in turn is using Sanders to elevate her national profile. She's hawkish on foreign policy and Sanders is just the opposite, so ask yourself, why is she endorsing Bernie if not for her own benefit since they are 180 degrees apart in foreign policy?

You can't be more obvious in your attention-seeking ambition than to announce your resignation from the DNC and endorsement of Sanders on "Meet the Press".

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
33. Being used, now that is quite hysterical
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 12:30 AM
Mar 2016

So when I posted a photo of Boehner in San Diego during the 2014 election I was being a naughty left winger abusing the Speaker? Now that is hilarious.

That story is a straight news reporting story.

brush

(53,784 posts)
38. Who cares about Beohner?
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:35 AM
Mar 2016

Last edited Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:05 AM - Edit history (1)

Why is she endorsing Bernie, decidedly not a hawk, when she is a hawk on foreign policy?

Ya think that's so hysterical?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
40. Nah what Ii find hyseterical is that you guys keep throwing people
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:41 AM
Mar 2016

who endorse the other candidate under the buss. To be fair, both sides are doing it. In this case, ye are throwing a combat veteran under the buss. To use the ofen used phrase, let's see how many vets you alienate with that shit!

And that you tried to use a Newsmax article that pretty much was paraphrasing the NYT... that was quite well, hilarious.

And no I do not consider newsmax my first choice for news but in this case that was a dud. I see though that they are trying to evolve and have an actual news and an actual editorial page. Good to see that.

And she is endorsing Bernie from what I can tell, becuase she disagrees with the foreign policy of the President, and she earned that right to disagree. In fact anybody should be able to do so if they want to. But I do not expect partisans to behave in any rational manner. It is quite hysterical though.

Thanks... I really should catch some sleep. Some very long nights in the recent past.

brush

(53,784 posts)
41. Who cares if it was in Newsmax or the Times?
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:50 AM
Mar 2016

She was sitting on the DNC hierarchy when she bashed her own party's head (at least have the decency step fu_king down from the committee that's supposed to support the president.

And instead of talking about her difference in foreign policy from the president, why don't you address her 180 degree hawkish difference in foreign policy with Bernice Sanders, a decided non-hawk?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
42. Alas why I consider this a huge crack
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:55 AM
Mar 2016

thank you for making my point, Both parties are in the midst of at least strong internal disagreement. Read about 1824, that history is kind of instructive.

And you are trying to bait me into a discussion I have no interest to have. After all what is relevant to me is the bus... and how this shit is further cracking YOUR PARTY. Kind of fun to watch, in a really painful dread kind of a thing.

brush

(53,784 posts)
43. Ok, you don't want to deal with the obvious agenda-driven endorsement of Bernie by an ambitious pol
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:05 AM
Mar 2016

whose foreign policy views are the exact opposite of his.

As far as cracking "YOUR PARTY" as you put it, why are you on this site if it's not your party too?

And fyi, the party is not cracking up because after tomorrow the party, except for the die-hard Sanders supporters, will coalesce behind Clinton's huge delegate advantage look to strategize against Trump, the likely repug candidate.

Seems the only thing CRACKING is the Sanders campaign.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
28. Yup and they are linking to THIS New York Times feature
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 12:07 AM
Mar 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard-rising-democratic-star-from-hawaii-makes-mark-on-party-by-defying-it.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region%C2%AEion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=1

I swear I cannot make this shit up. By the way, believe it or not, they are following proper journalistic practice by not just plagiarizing.

So is the NYT RW too? I am sure you can find a story on Breitbart.com, or you will soon, as well as Red State nation... partisans they are, but they are not stupid, This is a break in the enemy's party.

What is hilarious is that while they point to this one, I am sure they are trying to minimize the mess in their own... oh wait Eric Ericsson is not pleased with what is going on in his, but I digress, IS THE NYT PIECE ALSO A RW HIT PEACE, because they are using that as their source.

brush

(53,784 posts)
30. Did she or did she not trash both Clinton and Obama on multiple occasions?
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 12:24 AM
Mar 2016

That is one attention-seeking pol with an obvious agenda.

She's a hawk on foreign policy and Bernie is just the opposite. You still think that's not clear ambition on display?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
32. Nope, you and I have a different definiton of the word "trash" obviously
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 12:28 AM
Mar 2016

and we still, I don't know for how long, live in a country where you are free to disagree with policy, and given she was a boot on that ground in Iraq, she actually has a little more clue than you. She knows the cost of war. I am going to presume you don't. If I am wrong, my apologies.

elleng

(130,946 posts)
22. Glad you think so.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:56 PM
Feb 2016

I've liked her when I've seen her, but don't have a way to judge significance of the crack.

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
20. From memory, just hitting the bullet points (no pun intended :))
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:54 PM
Feb 2016

- called out Sec. Clinton for her Iraq War vote.

- called out Sec. Clinton for the Syrian no-fly zone

- seemed to emphasize a general "hawkish" Clinton

Seemed there was another specific I can't remember, but honestly she basically drew contrasts between Sanders and Clinton foreign policies and said that is why she was supporting Sanders.

brush

(53,784 posts)
31. She's a foreign policy hawk herself. This resignation/endorsement is attention-seeking . . .
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 12:26 AM
Mar 2016

and pure ambition.

elleng

(130,946 posts)
36. MY summary: 'Americans faced with reach choice,
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:53 AM
Mar 2016

wars or peace. With this in mind, supporting Bernie Sanders.

When decision to choose Bernie? Frustrating to see how cheaply candidates have taken the decision between war and peace, the most important decision a cic has. Where can I be most effective? Saw high human cost of war when deployed, see dealing with budgets, resources, costs, ability to nation build, interventionist wars of regime change as member of Congress.

Difference between saying and doing: look at past. Haven't heard hrc apologize for Iraq war vote. Architect of Libya, failed state, ISIS stronghold. Learned from iraq? Why championing overthrow of Assad? No fly zone, direct conflict with russia. Clear choice between bernie + hrc.'

VERY GOOD and detailed and explicit. Nadin, you should see it and get transcript.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
37. I might, I am in a boycott of the network at the moment
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:57 AM
Mar 2016

And did send them an email pointing out why. Not that it will make a tinkers damn of a difference.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
34. I wasn't impressed...
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 12:34 AM
Mar 2016

Given she called out President Obama for not bombing Al-Qaeda in Syria. But was more than grateful that Putin was bombing them. She did it in Oct 2015 via tweet so there is a record of it.

I'm sure she meat Isis...but....

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