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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMassachusetts Democrats Flock to Vote Trump in Primary: Pollster
Most of 20,000 Massachusetts Democrats who have dropped their party affiliation to vote in GOP primary today will support Donald Trump, says David Paleologos, director of the Suffolk University poll.
Mass. Secretary of State William Galvin says these voters are now unenrolled, meaning they have no registered party affiliation
* Says this is not strategic voting, where voters jump to the opposite partys primary to support a candidate they think will be weak in a general election
* Adds in e-mail that Trump crosses over like Mass. voters on issues like social security, Planned Parenthood, PACs and other social issues
* Galvin also predicts 700,000 will vote in GOP races, breaking record of 500,000 in 2008 primary
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2016-03-01/massachusetts-democrats-flock-to-vote-trump-in-primary-pollster
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)That's how much even regular folks hate Hillary.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Well, if they are switching to Trump, then apparently they think Hillary is TOO liberal. Nominating Bernie would not bring them back.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Funny that a year ago when she retired as SoS she was very popular. Now the RWNM has gone into overdrive in attacking her.
I still do not see how somebody who is to the left of Hillary would be switching to Trump.
Unless people on the left are total morons or something, which is what the right has been saying all along.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)pushed by some Sanders supporters.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)John Kerry has been the SoS, who negotiated the Iran deal, the US Climate change pact, the Paris Climate change agreement, the agreement to remove chemical weapons from Syria, the current very long shot resolution on Syria and it's cessation of hostilities, and brokered the deal to resolve the stalemated Afghanistan election.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)HRH negotiated TPP, "got" Gaddhafi and unleashed hell in Syria.
Secretary Kerry wins, point, set and match.
I know two people who are doing the same thing, and it isn't because of the question of liberal/conservative. It's because they have no trust for HRC at all, and these folks I have talked to would not and will not be Sanders supporters either. They're otherwise DLC moderates/folks who support Obama and one would think by extension support HRC.
How you can go vote for a scumbag like tRump because you think HRC is dirty is absolutely beyond me, as I've said to the folks who have brought this up. I think it's just old hate vs. something new.
Still, doing this because you don't trust Hillary is utterly illogical.
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)makes no sense.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Half the country already can't stand her, she has dismissed and completely alienated the left/liberal base, the independents, disaffecteds and millennials will sit it out and the Repig base will crawl out of graves to vote against her, which the have been waiting to do for 25 years.
She represents the professional, corrupt, self-dealing Beltway political insiders that most of the populace is raging to vote against.
I see a Goldwater/McGovern style blowout with Herself at the top of the ticket, one that will echo down-ballot, unlike Nixon's landslide.
Bernie, however, can beat him.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Which just goes to underscore how established the Establishment has become.
I know you're not a religious person but would you join me in praying Trump is a one-time cathartic political novelty who will do no lasting damage to the nation or the world. Pray with me that the people will get their righteous indignation satisfied even if by such unholy means and that the Establishment will learn from its bloodied nose and take it upon itself to engage in a little soul-searching.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)He has no alliances inside the party power structure, and they aren't making many bones about their low regard for him. He would accomplish nothing, and eventually get bored. He's not going to start WW III because it's bad for real estate values, something near and dear to whatever he calls a heart.
The only one of the remaining Repigs I fear is Cruz, who is a walking smorgasbord of mental pathologies; he would unleash nuclear armageddon in a second if he thought he could bring back Baby Jesus. THAT scares me. But the Repig establishment, to a person, hates Cruz even more than Trump.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)The vast majority of the anti-establishment of both parties views the establishment as beyond redemption; no amount of soul-searching is going to do anything to reunite either party. The "new base" in both cases wants the "establishment" to just wither and die after accepting they've been rejected in-full.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)An act of faith for when you're losing faith.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)I am guessing they don't like her personality so much they are willing to wreak havoc.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)Regular folks don't want to vote for Hillary. This isn't going to go well.
Initech
(100,080 posts)And I am talking 80's Reagan - Mondale numbers. Because the Republicans hate her that much. And they will turn out in droves to defeat her in November, which will mean Trump will get a blank check to do whatever he wants.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)I dare say Todd Akin could win in a year like this.
Trump is not a statesman. He's a bloviating bully who demands to own the entire sandbox while forcing the other kids to count the grains of sand for him but the Establishment has done such a tremendous job pissing off the voters Left, Right, Center and Independent that we could see an unmitigated disaster unfold before our eyes.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)I suppose I am going to have to plug my nose and vote for her in November if she is on the ballot. Ugh. Blech.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)At least I don't.
Peregrine Took
(7,414 posts)Seems to always be hectoring people to do something or think some way but her talk doesn't inspire them to do so.
Reminds me of most of the nuns I've known in school- when they left the classroom alone, they would turn around and threaten anyone who acted out when they were gone. They would find out. And they did.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)There's a formula for winning the presidency in the U.S. that includes African Americans,Latinos and women,those people won be voting for Trump.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)When you compare turnout numbers, the GOP is way up and the Democrats are way down. The Republicans seem far more motivated.
You also have an increasingly angry populace and a deeply unpopular government. Usually in this kind of environment, establishment candidates do not fare very well.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)than we do and have since the primaries started,hence the turnout. President Obama isn't "deeply unpopular" and neither is his government. Most people who aren't deeply committed to blaming minorities for the U.S.'s problems are horrified by Trump and will come out to vote.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Only 1/3rd of Americans think the country is heading in the right direction....
It's an unpopular government. Americans are not happy. And we are very divided. The polls on this is very clear and consistent.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)will vote for Clinton if she's the nominee shows that they will by huge percentages. My hope is that when this primary is over,Skinner will put an end to the painfully obvious ratfuckery.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Just letting you know.....
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I was on a cruise last week and could not believe all the people wanting trump. As far as Muslims they say he wants to review the refugee requirements and then begin the program again. To most Americans that is not racist but ensuring the refugee entrance requirements are good. The other thing is the KKK thing. He already said in July of August he didn't support them. I doubt that is enough to stop voters from supporting him. His campaign run has been zero errors that stick. It sucks we are fighting a third term. We never do well with that since FDR.
hack89
(39,171 posts)brush
(53,784 posts)Even if they are on the same day any switch won't affect how many dem delegates are won by either Clinton or Sanders.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)Picked one or the other.
In Vt, I heard a Republican say he chose a Democratic ballot to vote for Clinton because he is completely disgusted with the R choices. I assume there are others crossing for Bernie rather than vote Republican.
brush
(53,784 posts)from the separate counts. The percentages won't change noticeably from a few dems voting in the repug primary.
1939
(1,683 posts)I was in the Army and one night in the O-club, I was talking with another officer who had a degree in Political Science (instead of being a dumb engineer like me). He said that one of his Pol Sci profs had said that you should always register to vote in the primary for the party opposite your own and vote for the most troublesome candidate for the opposition. That would help your own party most in the general. At the time this seemed horribly manipulative and unethical (I was still an idealist then). Now it seems to be an accepted thing forty-plus years later. First Limbaugh's Operation Chaos in 2008 and now stuff like this.
PufPuf23
(8,785 posts)reason you not; I was told (and believed) that the best way to leverage one's vote for POTUS was to vote in the primary of the opposing party.
Otherwise I have always been a registered Democrat and voted Democratic.
I still voted for Carter in the 1980 general election.
1939
(1,683 posts)PufPuf23
(8,785 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)it means they also don't like Bernie...can't have it both ways, people.
That said, I'm not buying this.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)No one owns Bernie Sanders, and anyone can see that. HRH dances to the tune of the bank$ter$ and the MIC. Anyone can see that, too.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)is that what you're saying? Alleged registered Democrats would rather vote for Trump than Bernie...if this article is correct, it means those alleged crossovers don't like either, yet Bernie supporters can't see that.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)GET WITH THE PROGRAM, JOEYBEE12!!!
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Hillary is very disliked. Her unfavorables are as high as Trump. Some people just simply do not like her and won't vote for her no matter what. It's very possible some of these Dems have decided they are finished with the same old status quo candidates.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)The bernie echo chamber is very strong here and elsewhere on teh internets...outside of DU I'm not seeing such dislike.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)LannyDeVaney
(1,033 posts)and she will easily beat Trump. I hope he gets the nomination, but I think the RNC will pull a stunt to keep him out.
Clinton will win by AT LEAST as much as Obama in '12, maybe more, and I can't wait !
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)Clinton will win by AT LEAST as much as Obama in '12, maybe more, and I can't wait !
What exactly is it you can't wait for?
Ok, Clinton wins the nomination.... then she wins the presidency... then she does WHAT besides continue the status quo that has you so very very excited?
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)existed.
SHAMEFUL!!!
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)gcomeau
(5,764 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)gcomeau
(5,764 posts)...that "Racism was losing" because Bernie was losing. Someone's brain catch up with their typing fingers?
And I asked to be shown where anyone here was rooting for Trump. As expected, crickets.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)go anywhere after 2008, and we can't fix stupid.
These voters in MA are probably the same "Democrats" who gave us two terms of Ronald Fucking Reagan.
kentuck
(111,101 posts)Be very afraid.
onenote
(42,714 posts)for a Democrat?
There are fewer than 500,000 registered republicans in Massachusetts, but in the past three presidential elections, past two senate elections and most recent governor's race, over 1 million votes were cast for the repub candidate. It's not too much of a stretch to assume that a lot of these "Democrats" switching to independent or republican stopped supporting Democratic candidates well before Trump arrived on the scene.
OldHippieChick
(2,434 posts)when people are so anxious to panic and mud-sling. You have a lot of nerve.
Rex
(65,616 posts)that some of your own will fuck over the party. I have my doubts they ever actually changed parties and just like to fuck up the Dem party out of spite. Dixiecrats that were too cowardly to switch over and admit they love the KKK and the GOP. A lot of them ended up becoming these greedy neoliberals society despises so much.
I've read this election will have a record number of independents voting, which says more about Washington D.C then it does about the voters. People are fed up with politics as usual. It is at that point they vastly differ as to why.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)That's a small 'flock'.