They come from making people addicted and stuck on their drugs. They come from making people sick so they have to buy more of their drugs. They come from giving people cancer so they have to buy more of their drugs.

Natural plant base solutions for health problems has been completely lost to history. Our Government has ensured that somebody growing a plant is a criminal and should be removed from society and their life destroyed. But a corporation selling poison over the pharmacy counter is big business that receives Government funds and kick backs. It is truly a sick twisted world we live in.

that have been used to effectively treat pain for thousands of years.

As someone who went through excruciating kidney stone pain last year, with essentially no pain management, I'm leery about throwing out the the baby with the bathwater.

I kind of wonder about other deaths that they don't talk about. How many people kill themselves because of chronic, intractible, untreated pain? How many people OD on the acetominophen that's added to most opioid pain medications? How many people die from side effects of excess NSAIDS that are being pushed on people these days as a substitute pain med? Are some people turning to the streets because they can't get their pain managed adaquately within the medical system, and could that be part of the reason for increasing numbers of ODs?

I think this whole issue is being treated overly simplistically by our media, and by lots of other people who are discussing it.

ETA, interesting that the rise in OD deaths seems to be coinciding so closely with a major backlash, and crackdowns on their use in legitimate medical practice. I wonder if there's some sort of connection.

And they synthetic Opioids are neither plant based or natural.

When I speak of plants I mean a plant a person can grow in their yard and use to treat ailments. Many herbs are good for treating all kinds of ailments. The fact our Government has made an herb illegal to grow goes against natural law and human rights.

The Nsaids, Acetominophens, are no better than the opioids. The whole point being made though is Cannabis can treat some of these issues safely without the risk of OD yet we have racist oppressive tyrannical laws that destroy people for growing a Cannabis plant. Its truly insane.

When it is chemically altered by humans it is no longer natural.
Cocaine is not natural either. It is chemically extracted from the coca plant.
I'm all for people growing and chewing on coca leaves. But I am against cocaine.
Cannabis does not have to be processed into a drug to be used it is used in its natural plant form.

You can also use the dried pods to make a tea. I'm not sure how that would qualify as more "manipulation" than drying leaves, burning them, and inhaling them into your lungs.

for growing poppies in their kitchen gardens, in the very early days of what came to be known as the "drug war"? You okay with that?

It's been a traditional medicinal herb in many cultures going back hundreds or thousands of years. The amount of "processing" required is minimal, as you can simply make tea from the pods.

And I do agree with you that "The fact our Government has made an herb illegal to grow goes against natural law and human rights." It's just that Cannabis is not the only traditionally grown medicinal herb out there.

and poppy tea although it can be dangerous I believe a person with the knowledge to do it safely should be able to.
I don't think that the individual should make it into opium and definitely not go past opium.

I believe in an all encompassing right to peacefully grow plants for individual use. I don't believe any Government in the world has the right to stop people from growing any plant unless that plant is being used to harm others (caster beans to make ricin for example).

But I am against the hypocrisy of our Government that allows deadly pills to be sold by corporate big pharma but outlaws a benign herb and destroys peoples lives for growing it. That is what must be changed. We need to give the right to grow plants back to the people and stop interfering in the lives of peaceful citizens minding their own business and smoking an herb.

You can protest government hypocrisy without creating that false dichotomy.

Despite the seeds of Papaver somniferum bring used as a culinary herb, growing it for any purpose is illegal in the US. Which is a shame; it's one of the more beautiful poppies. All other poppies may be legally grown, even Papaver bracteatum, which produces thebaine from which codeine is produced.

suggest to me a natural plant based solution for anti-rejection?

1. Source "Natural news."
Woo and conspiracy theory central.

2. Numbers are not backed up.

3. Hemp and pot does not "cure" anything.

Smoking or eating pot can help with some symptoms, including pain.
But no "cures."

Why do you think it is still schedule 1?

But not "cures."

which is absolutely true. There are several claims about its use in epilepsy treatment (Charlotte's Web) and some claims about its use against cancer and tumors, although being a schedule 1 drug makes it difficult for proper testing and to prove that definitively.

Since the pharmacy industry is against its use for pain treatment as they would rather sell addictive and deadly drugs that are basically synthetic heroin, I wouldn't be surprised if they are against it because they are afraid or know it could do a heck of a lot more. They shouldn't claim the cures as a fact, but from articles I have read it looks promising.

Maybe if they had said there is merit to researching the possibility of cures instead of there are cures you wouldn't be calling it total bullshit?

And ignores how much painkillers mentioned can also help so many people.
Called risk/benefit.

Opioid pain killers do not "cure" anything either they only mask symptoms.

Cannabis has been shown to help the body recovery from injury, help the brain recovery from injury, it has been shown to destroy cancer cells, but on top of that It does help with many other disorders as well and that is well documented.

National Cancer Institute

Studies in mice and rats have shown that cannabinoids may inhibit tumor growth by causing cell death, blocking cell growth, and blocking the development of blood vessels needed by tumors to grow. Laboratory and animal studies have shown that cannabinoids may be able to kill cancer cells while protecting normal cells.

A laboratory study of cannabidiol (CBD) in estrogen receptor positive and estrogen receptor negative breast cancer cells showed that it caused cancer cell death while having little effect on normal breast cells. Studies in mouse models of metastatic breast cancer showed that cannabinoids may lessen the growth, number, and spread of tumors.

http://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/patient/cannabis-pdq#section/all

Here's the smoking gun (sorry)

The US Gov has held a PATENT on the use of Cannabinoids since 2003

US Patent #6630507

Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6630507.PN.&OS=PN/6630507&RS=PN/6630507

The patent has been posted here for years, and usually it's ignored. Probably because no one can believe it. But anyone can click the link and see it at the US Patent office

You can kill cancer cells with baking soda & a dab of molasses. There are some good vids on you tube about it. Worth try for anyone with cancer, and may avoid chemo.

You are going to hurt people if you spread BS like that. No good will come from it.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/another-cancer-tragedy-in-the-making/

Baking soda isn't going to kill you, nor will molasses. And apparently some good have already come of it Huck, so to each his own I guess.

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You do understand that the plural of anecdote is not data. You are falling for scam artists. Don't do that to yourself. And please don't do that to others.

http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2014/03/24/dont-believe-the-hype-10-persistent-cancer-myths-debunked/

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It seems Natural News does use links to the data that make the claim from.

I would tend to agree mj does not cure anything, just like pharma's pain killers. Mj does do some wonderful things besides cancel pain, like relieve the symptoms of Parkinson's for example.

Here's a few more gems I found on there. If feds slaughter patriot occupiers in Oregon, it will unleash an armed revolution across America... Civil War may be near

Obama is a sleeper cell... how the destruction of America's culture, economy and national security was planned from the start

CNN tried to destroy Donald Trump with vaccine autism question, but he gave this AMAZING response

People are treating this like it's a credible source?

It is one of the most despicable pages on the Internet.

About the scumbag author of this piece:
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/mike-adams-is-a-dangerous-loon/

And, as noted, marijuana can help some symptoms. It is being studied, finally. It is not going to be some magical cure all, however.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/medical-marijuana-as-the-new-herbalism-part-1-the-politics-of-weed-versus-science/

We can have deadly pills sold by Corporate Big Pharma.

But if an individual grows a Cannabis plant that has no overdose risk or risk of any kind their home is taken, their money is taken, they lose their job, they lose their family, they go to jail, they go to prison, That is what is insane...

I smell a bunch of rats in Big Pharma. To kill twenty some thousand people in a year? that's a lot of pills. Hard to miss that many.

Sometimes it can be the doctor prescribing drugs that interact with other drugs to form deadly toxins and such. Most natural plants do not interact, and some shouldn't be used, period.


Doctors tend to find a pill to serve a remedy that works for the patient, then slams the pills month after month without monitoring their patients.

is new age woo.

Natural News is complete and total garbage.

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