And they will be Bernie fans.

I think KOS is making a big mistake. Limiting free speech is not too wise.

I expect similar purges to start here too. If they have any sense, Kos refugees will head somewhere a little more...radical.

I would prefer Bernie Sanders as president. But I find the constant bashing from both sides of their non-preferred candidate to be extremely tiresome and potentially damaging.

In theory it's still possible for Bernie to pull it out, but it is increasingly unrealistic. The math just doesn't work.

But ok, you disagree. When do you think would be the right time? Only when the convention is held? Or when the delegate math becomes incontrovertible?

Seems some people are upset with the truth, though. Oh well.

Both sides have attracted too many unstable people who fall for cults of personality.

Such people are incapable of developing much perspective. At least here, they have GD as a safety valve and mosh pit.

There's a difference between criticisms and what goes on here at DU. I think Bernie is a great guy, a solid senator and I am choosing to support Hillary. However I and 99% of my fellow Hillary supporters do not talk about Bernie the way his supporters talk about Hillary. There is a difference.

I saw a DU thread this week where someone was going on about "Shillary".

That is beyond truth and no different than Rush Limbaugh.

Even the current hosts of the hillary group have called her that in the past; it would be a little hypocritical for them to alert on those posts now.

But I don't think calling her a "corporate shill" or beholden to big banks is beyond the pale. It is all in the language used, I think.

Can you name one thing we say that yall would want us to quit saying?

And you know it.

A small example:

From "Do as I say and Not as I do" over on Daily Kos

Criticism of Obama in 08 by Markos after he had the nomination wrapped up:


..there is a line between "moving to the center" and stabbing your allies in the back out of fear of being criticized. And, of late, he's been doing a lot of unnecessary stabbing, betraying his claims of being a new kind of politician. Not that I ever bought it, but Obama is now clearly not looking much different than every other Democratic politician who has ever turned his or her back on the base in order to prove centrist bona fides. That's not an indictment, just an observation."

" Now I know there's a contingent around here that things Obama can do no wrong, and he must never be criticized, and if you do, well fuck you! I respect the sentiment, but will respectfully disagree. We're allowed to do that here. But fair notice -- I will never pull a Rush Limbaugh and carry water for anyone. Not for the Democratic Congress, and not for our future Democratic president. When anyone does something I don't care for, I will say so. I've never pulled my punches before, so why start now?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-keeps-raising-money--and-spending-it-a-potential-problem-for-clinton/2016/03/05/a8d6d43c-e2eb-11e5-8d98-4b3d9215ade1_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_clintonmarathon-540pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory


If you read the article it seems Markos has really liked Hillary all along. What is funny, or sad, is his turning off of democracy at his site, for reasons he thinks are valid, to support Hillary. It is really no different than what we are seeing from the NYT and WaPo right now in covering Bernie Sanders. To me, Markos is a hypocrite by his current fiat announcement. The comments from some folks - "if you don't like it, go build your own site" are spoken just like Trump or an Oligarch.

The bashing of Democratic candidates here is sickening.

Since when does limiting ideas and their discussion help Democrats?

Eight years from now?

Time to circle the wagons, draw straws, and take sides. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. Don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes!

And that's just the Democrats.

And they say Trump can't win.

who took over MY party from me (a labor Democrat, strong union household), then they will have won it all. And I will likely find myself without a party, because it left me. So yeah, the stakes are high. And if you think I'm not motivated, oh I am. Not only did they steal my home from me, along with 70k in hard earned cash, but they also swept their crimes under the rug, called me a liar, and haven't yet stood up to say "Enough!". Bernie has, though. He is espousing the traditional, New Deal values I grew up with. No wavering. No obfuscation. No wishy-washy. No dubious ties. He is a real Democrat, alright. And they (The Third Way) has the nerve to lecture me? I don't think so.

It is hard to tell some "Bernie" supporters from Teabaggers, quite frankly. So, "we should nuke the site from orbit, just to be safe".

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the slightest hint of dissent--look at the BOG and HRCG playpens here on DU: they really can't countenance anyone pointing out the glaring contradictions, so they just banbanban all the day long

the closest analogue is certain academese-heavy forms of radicalism: jokes about Clinton as saying Kenny G was her favorite jazz musician produced this welter of pedantic piffle

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/02/bernie_bros_stop_this_meme_your_dumb_joke_about_hillarys_music_taste_isnt_funny_its_predictably_sexist/
http://www.houstonpress.com/arts/your-pop-culture-sanders-vs-clinton-memes-are-sexist-and-unfunny-8130819
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/users/2016/02/the_bernie_vs_hillary_meme_is_weird_ceaseless_and_kind_of_sexist_just_like.html
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/theres-a-new-bernie-or-hillary-meme-but-is-it-sexist-stereot
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/279562/hillary-clinton-bernie-bro-sexism/

I think my brain popped somewhere between "situates Bernie's dominance in masculine subcultures and products" and Kenny G as unpacking cisheteronormativity

unfortunately for this campus-bound radicalism it doesn't survive contact with the real world: Jeffreys and Marcotte and Valenti simply get no traction in countries where the police have rape units and activists get detonated; frankly, fussing about PIV, men sitting next to kids on planes, and saying transwomen are "infiltrators" is something only very plush academics in stable countries with plenty of state power can say

AND work to elect a more progressive congress simultaneously.

So they won't bother to vote nor support any other progressive.

and other sites (MyDD) and the one for Howard I left years ago and dropped off the map refusing to be caught up in the BS again. I have ventured over there a few times recently and unsubscribed when I received a Kos sponsored request to donate to Hillary. I sent an email rippin them a new one and have not hear from them since. Ridiculous.