General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPork Banned In Cafes And Schools To 'Not Offend Refugees'
An increasing number of public canteens, child daycare centres and schools have stopped serving sausages, bacon and ham over religious considerations.
Now members of Chancellor Angela Merkels CDU party are fighting to keep pork on the menu, insisting the consumption of pork is part of German culture.
Daniel Günther, party representative, claimed that pork products were being taken off the menu in schools, nurseries and canteens across the country.
He said: "The protection of minorities - including for religious reasons - must not mean that the majority is overruled in their free decision by ill-conceived consideration
Mr Günther argued that tolerance also means "the appreciation and sufferance of other food cultures and lifestyles.
He argued that those who didnt want to eat pork didnt have to, adding: The consumption of pork belongs to our culture.
MORE...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/650246/Germany-bans-pork-cafes-schools-offending-Muslim-migrants
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)0rganism
(23,970 posts)it's not like being Vegan where as long as there's something without animal product on the menu you're okay.
religious restrictions on eating pork often require adherents not eat food that's been prepared with the same tools used for pork -- i.e., you need different utensils, different dishes, different cutting boards, etc.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)and do whatever is necessary to keep their religious beliefs viable.
Taxpayers, nor the children who have a tradition of eating what has been provided for hundreds of years should have to become sacrificial lambs to religion
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)angstlessk
(11,862 posts)people...
There should be a law...or not..free speach anll...glad you pointed it was false.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)This kind of thing happens all the time in european suburbs with a high muslim population.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)This type of "news" is hardly news in many european suburbs.
But okay, good for you!
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)when it's found to be a made up story. It's called "staying on message".
crim son
(27,464 posts)I don't disbelieve you but I don't see the proof.
Angel Martin
(942 posts)they haven't "banned" pork, they just haven't served it since 2011.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-council-defends-criticism-over-claims-it-banned-pork-from-primary-schools-10041519.html
crim son
(27,464 posts)I've known mothers to be pissed off that peanut butter was banned at the local grade school. Imagine how little they'd like this!
Orrex
(63,224 posts)Surely this was an innocent oversight. Thanks!
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)No alternate option, just drop pork.
That'd be a deal breaker for me.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Notably absent - anywhere this actually happened.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Why do you assume it's "bullshit"? No it would not happen in 99.5% of all places in the USA, but I assure you, the NO PORK requirement, along with the HALAL-slaughtered-meat requirement is reality in many places in Europe, where there are many Muslims.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)This story has been posted on DU several times in the last few days. Every site which has posted it notes that it is entirely based on the "claim" of one politician in Germany who, if you bother to check this thing out, has been roundly derided by other German politicians for making shit up.
If you believe it, name ONE such institution which has banned pork in Germany in accordance with the claim. Name ONE.
Matrosov
(1,098 posts)Daycare centers in Frankfurt are one example.
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/kitas-in-frankfurt-bestellen-schweinefleisch-ab-14059211.html
The important thing to note however is that the daycare centers aren't banning pork out of fear of offending Muslims. They feature less pork on the menu or are removing it entirely because of declining demand.. which, yes, does have in part to do with the fact that more and more children there are from Muslim backgrounds and their parents asked that their kids not have pork.
Another thing is that the Muslim children are concentrated in the most urban areas. The rural ones have far fewer Muslim kids and the daycare centers there still offer pork.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)false. No one banned pork so as not to offend refugees. Full Stop.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It does say that if a daycare center is seeing a lot of pork leftover, then they are reducing their orders for it, but that has zip to do with anyone banning pork.
Snopes rates the hyped articles on this subject as "mostly false"
Matrosov
(1,098 posts)Are some places offering less pork or no pork? Yes. Are they often doing it because of Muslims? Yes.
But like I said, there's a big difference between reducing/removing pork because of a lack of demand and banning pork for the sake of not offending Muslims. This is purely a business decision, not the politically correct crap the right wingers try to sell it as.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I gather the poster above believes that it should be force-fed to people who don't want it.
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)And it's not like pork is a holy sacrament to western children (well, besides bacon). It's just another option. You could try to make the muslim kids eat pork, but that's kind of cruel, considering their families and culture consider it taboo.
Maybe if the kids were orthodox jews fleeing programs people would understand?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)"Daniel Günther, party representative, claimed..."
Bullshit story.
He's been widely ridiculed in Germany over this.
Turborama
(22,109 posts)It should be ridiculed as a source as much as The Blaze or NY Post.
liberal N proud
(60,344 posts)Pigs foot
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)liberal N proud
(60,344 posts)Albertoo
(2,016 posts)I'm a vegeterian
liberal N proud
(60,344 posts)That wa 6 years ago.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)Mixed the two, the one I had in mind is older, that's why I checked the 1947 pied de cochon
1832 l'Escargot Montorgueil
I think there's an even older one in the area mentioned in Les Miserables, but it eludes me.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Don't denounce it before you ate it.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Pork was almost never served at the public, taxpayer-funded, school I worked in, in a Swedish suburb. Why? Most likely because there was such a high percentage of muslim students, in that Swedish suburb.
HALAL ONLY, they demand. We have to have access to HALAL slaughtered meat in public schools, or else we will complain that you don't accommodate our religious preferences in our free lunches!! There was ALWAYS HALAL meat, every single day, offered in the free-of-charge- school lunch, just to appease the muslims. JUST TO APPEASE THE MUSLIMS. Or else they complain that the meat being offered, free-of-charge, does not suit them.
Hellooo.... have they considered eating the veggie alternatives, which the school also generously offered, free of charge. Quorn veggie meat. Chicken main fares. So many other options!
These jerks had no right demanding HALAL slaughtered meat in a public swedish school.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Too many Muslims and Jews complain, even in the US.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)is almost always cheese.
http://www.ousd.org/cms/lib07/CA01001176/Centricity/Shared/Meal%20Menus/K-8_Lunch.pdf
This is surprising because not only are there a lot of Jews, "regular" Muslims, and black Muslims who won't eat the pork option, but there are a lot of Southeast Asian and Indian vegetarians, too, not to mention white vegans.
It's a surprisingly racially insensitive thing to throw cheese at a bunch of kids who are likely to be lactose intolerant.
They're gonna have classrooms of farty kids in Oakland.
http://milk.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000661
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)A quasi-healthy one and pizza & tater tots. Pizza and tots is the only option multiple days a week, because the kitchens are under incredible pressure to turn a profit and kids don't buy healthy options.
Dorian Gray
(13,499 posts)I would eat Halal meat? If the population of Muslims is big enough in the area, why shouldn't they serve Halal meat?
If the population isn't large enough, serve food that the majority would eat.
It seeems pretty simple.
bdwker
(435 posts)Change their eating patterns as not to offend.
Change their freedom of religion as not to offend.
Change their laws on marriage as not to offend.
Change their freedom of speech as not to offend.
Change their books as not to offend.
We shouldn't offend them.
denverbill
(11,489 posts)I had a party at my house last week. When I heard my wife invited Muslims I told her I was not going to do a damned thing to 'not offend' them. Every dish had pork. I had my crucifixes everywhere and welcomed them with a hearty 'Jesus Loves You'.
And I'm no bigot. I treated the Jews and Catholics and Mormons and vegans the same way.
You come to my house, you eat pork and you worship Jesus my way. End of story. Otherwise, get the fuck out because it's the Christian thing to do.
Oh, and 'Go Trump', right?
I want a 3rd Bill.
Go Hillary.
denverbill
(11,489 posts)Must say I am a little disappointed that you don't have the courage of your convictions though.
There are some brave politicians that say what they think and damn the consequences. Unfortunately, some of his (or her) adherents are not made of the same mettle and are afraid to face the consequences of their opinions.
Not you though, of course. You are a Muslim-hating, pork-loving, Jesus-fearing liberal who loves him some Hitlery, I mean Hillary.
How's that ammo supply holding up, btw?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Next thing you know, someone is going to bring up the "Jew Tax" thing, because companies pay for Kosher Union certification on grocery products.
Same shit, different day.
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)While it was true one or (at most) a few German politicians "bemoaned" what they believed was a disappearing presence of pork in school cafeterias, misleading headlines indicated that there was a "ban on pork". Finally, a number of Germans mocked the assertions as ludicrous and baseless.
Takket
(21,625 posts)Let's start e-mail it to Trump to see if we can get him to start talking about this lol
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)The CDU's Schleswig-Holstein division wants to ensure that pork stays on menus at workplace and school canteens, arguing the meat "belongs to German culture." The idea has been mocked on social media.
The regional arm of Chancellor Angela Merkel's CDU announced plans on Tuesday to ensure that pork continues to be available at public canteens, as well as child daycare centers and schools across the north German state.
The proposal is due to be presented by the CDU's group in parliament at next week's regional parliamentary session.
CDU parliamentary group leader, Daniel Günther, bemoaned on Tuesday that an increasing number of canteens, nurseries and schools are removing pork from their menu due to religious considerations.
"The protection of minorities - including for religious reasons - must not mean that the majority is overruled in their free decision by ill-conceived consideration," Günther said, arguing that tolerance also means "the appreciation and sufferance of other food cultures and lifestyles."
more...
http://www.dw.com/en/schleswig-holstein-cdu-fights-to-keep-pork-on-canteen-menus/a-19085870
Response to Purveyor (Original post)
LiberalElite This message was self-deleted by its author.
valerief
(53,235 posts)anorexics.
Fuckin' religion.
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)Money talks. If a bunch of customers come into your establishment and won't buy anything because it contains (insert bugaboo here) then you change the menu to accommodate them if possible, or you lose business. It doesn't matter are if they are jewish, muslim, vegan, gluten free, paleo, or allergic to whatever.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Why would you post this BS crap here?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Cool. One less person I need to read posts from.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)EOM.
LeftishBrit
(41,210 posts)They are constantly attacking our Tories from the Right - they support UKIP. Their news stories are generally either about how evil the EU is or how evil migrants are, or both. Except when they're promoting their conspiracy theories about Princess Diana being murdered. They are none too careful about accuracy, and indeed this story is contradicted by Snopes. They are even worse than the Sun (which at least does not pretend to be respectable) or the Daily Mail (which occasionally prints a reasonable article by accident!)
itcfish
(1,828 posts)This is pure nonsense. I live with a whole bunch of Muslims who are not offended by pork products. But they are offended by ignorance.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)There is a small Arab Christian minority there that eats and produces it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork#Judaism
clarice
(5,504 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Own feces".
Love that movie!
clarice
(5,504 posts)LeftishBrit
(41,210 posts)Don't trust the Express. It's even more far-right, racist and unreliable than most British tabloids.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Don't give this story any heed unless a non-evil source repeats it.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)I recall it being brought up on another forum I post on with some Germans, and the story turning out mostly false.