Uggh. This story is so upsetting.

primarily at the hands of armed black youths

hope you have some stats to back that up.

and the FBI puts out statistics every single year

If you're black and you're murdered, there's a 90% chance you were killed by another black person

So your statistics are irrelevant to the conversation.

when a white person does it.

I didn't realize we weren't supposed to point out the epidemic of black children being murdered on a daily basis

When you make a point, try not to pepper your indignation by marginalizing serious issues like institutional racism or gang violence and black on black crime. It's disgusting and shows a lack of common sense.

if so, you should find this case, like the Trayvon Martin case AS disturbing as other murders of black children. unless of course you are NOT an advocate for murdered children, just the white people who murder them.

I'm pointing out that the only murdered black children than make the headlines are those that are killed by white people.

There are thousands of black children killed yearly, not at the hands of other races who get no attention either by the media or here

post about the black kids you are so concerned about...or STFU.

Lets review this statement again: "There are thousands of black children killed yearly, not at the hands of other races who get no attention either by the media or here"

And then you ask for posts about them. News stories that were never written by the MSM because they don't care. That would be the problem in a nutshell.

i live in oakland where is plenty of violence committed by and against black kids. and the media does cover those stories. as i mentioned, this concern troll is free to start a thread here about the subject, instead of hijacking this one. btw, this thread is about a 13 yo black boy who was murdered by a crazy white man.

cranky old white guy does something like this. Especially since I believe that racial animus is the prime motivating factor.

Higher than any other minority group! Which this case may happen to fall under.

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gays, jews and asians are the most targeted groups when it comes to hate crime statistics.

According to the FBI, there is no group targeted for hate crimes more than blacks (which could also include gays of course, not that the average racist takes the time to figure out if the black person they're brutalizing is gay or a student/parent/mayor etc. or not).

Stop checking Rosco's Stats and Facts where it sounds like you're getting your data and read the stats from the nation's law enforcement arm, the FBI.

Snippet for you:

"Of the 6,628 hate crime incidents reported to us for 2010, nearly all (6,624) involved a single bias—47.3 percent of the single-bias incidents were motivated by race."

"Among the single-bias hate crime incidents in 2010, there were 3,949 victims of racially motivated hate crime. A closer examination of these victim data showed that: 70.0 percent were victims of an offender’s anti-black bias.: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2010/narratives/hate-crime-2010-victims

"Of the 6,008 known offenders, 58.6 were white and 18.4 percent were black."

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/november/hatecrimes_111411

most black people die at the hand of other blacks.

It's not a great thing that we only care for the ~10% of the cases when it isn't a black person doing it.

If this happens to be a Hate-Crime, which this sounds like to me--mixed in with a possible bit of dementia based on the comments of other posters. Then of the hate crimes out there, 47% is racially motivated...and of those racially motivated Blacks are 70% more likely to be targeted. I would rephrase this 10%---and even if it is marginalized to your estimated 10%, it still matters and I'm glad there are people on DU getting a clue and understanding the plight of what some of us "non-whites" go through.

Not to mention, the same could be said about White on White crime; and the racial demographic of serial killers in the US and who they tend to target. But this doesn't matter...it would seem.

However, this entire topic is derailing the point of the post.

let's say 90% of black people are killed by other blacks. And 10% are killed by non-blacks. Roughly accurate, but I'm not going to go to war over those exact numbers.

Either way let's say then that 100% of that 10% are white people killing blacks because they hate that entire race.

Ok, so what does that prove? Nothing really. 100% of 10% is still just 10%, a pretty tiny fraction of the overall.

A black person is still 9x more likely to be killed by another black person than by a white person (which is even more out of proportion when you consider how many more whites there are in this country than blacks. It would make sense, statistically, in say South Africa, but not here).

And since we only seem to care when the perp is white that means that 9 out of 10 black people who die violently in this country are tacitly deemed to be acceptable casualties.

Maybe it's you and the other silly poster who made that assumption. I don't see many of the people here caring that it's only a White person. I do see that hate crimes or possible hate crimes are getting more attention in the general discussion section. I personally appreciate it because there at times seems to be a great divide as to how important the racial factor is. And secondly, the issue of Black on Black crime is talked about, not so much in the GD section but it is in discussion and is part of the national dialogue---however more often than not it's used in the same manner you and others have used it...as a way in order to divert the issue on Non-Black on Black crime.

Rather than looked upon as a serious issue. One of which has serious social and economic origins---not because some people are just mentally ill, sociopaths or psychopaths.

for incidences of one black person killing another black person versus those of one white person killing one black person?

Also I would think a whole slew of economic and social issues, as you say, leading to massive murder rates would be more interesting than one old man with dementia who is now going to jail for his crime.

We can change social issues. We cannot keep people from going senile.

if you aren't walking your talk, then you are full of

and I haven't seen any such posts.

I don't really feel I've been around long enough to start making mine own posts (notice I have none about any topic at all).


So . . . .where are yours?

"I don't really feel I've been around long enough to start making mine (sic) own posts"

That's a fairly vapid rationalization for not doing the very thing you indict others for not doing. I imagine we often hold others to higher standards than we hold ourselves, and then justify that there's a relevant and critical difference between six of one and half a dozen of the other...

I was chastised for expressing an opinion that was not the majority opinion (but was still supported by plenty of others) on the grounds that I should kowtow popular opinion since I was such a new user.

So I can only imagine what would happen if I put up a post that some found distasteful while I still have a low comment-count.

Thanks, but I'm not prepared to get banned just yet.

made in the past, namely that the full strength of voyeuristic hysteria by the presstitutes only appears when a victim is a Blond White Girl. That 10 missing Black girls, no matter how decent, talented, loved, and beautiful won't get anywhere near the breathless, round-the-clock coverage that one missing Blond White Girl gets (cf. Aruba).

Mainly because it in no explains the poster you claim to be understanding. Further more, there is a false equivalent here. I am not saying that the disappearance of a Black girl is ignored by the press in comparison to the kidnapping of a White girl. From my own experience of watching the news, I can agree with that.

However, I find that to be a poor and totally false equivalent. It would be better to discuss Black on Black violence in comparison to White on White violence. The poster's claims which was more on the interest of the press on non-Black on Black crime makes no sense when you are using the press interest on White women missing rather than Black women being missing. Since I find the two issues like comparing apples to oranges. Further more, the media is in love with Black on Black crime to continuously make it a topic on evening news in any state in the nation. I have never ever turned on the news in New York since the time I was a child to adulthood not to hear of Black on Black violence as an epidemic and the press loves it. Maybe cable news is a bit discerning...but regular news is not.

In any event...the point is that this is not even really what should be talked about. I find the poster used the issue to divert the discussion on the thread---which he has done successfully and managed to even instigate a supporter to say an extremely asinine comments in support.

Not that I really thought I did before, but now I'm sure that I don't understand anything. So I'll say no more.

based on the FBI stats released last November.

perpetrator black, it's a statistic


I get it now

about black children. just another in the detract from the story crowd. sickening bunch.

whose son was murdered by a white man..

what about the THOUSANDS of black mothers who lose their children at the hands of another black person? Do they not count in your book?

There were 49 shootings in Chicago over St Patricks day, 10 people died...while the nation was focusing on Trayvon Martin, a 6yr old Aliyah Shell was killed in a gang crossfire. 2 black teenagers were arrested and charged in her death....

so, while you're crying about this ONE CHILD, how many others will be killed today that you couldn't give 2 shits about because they weren't shot by a white man?

I live in Oakland, where black children are murdered on a daily basis. do you actually give a FUCK about black children, or are you trying, desperately and disingenuously, to distract attention from THIS MURDER? my bet is on the latter.

They feel black on black crime has nothing to do with them apart from confirming their prejudices. A "tsk,tsk" topped with a sigh of compassion lets them off the hook. The majority of whites bear little guilt or responsibility for the plight of poor blacks. Many are more concerned about which gun they're going to strap on today.

Unarmed white kids are killed by other white kids every day, too. Why not include everyone if you're going to try to lessen the tragedy of this child's horrific death?

There is an epidemic of black children dying in the streets and they aren't dying at the hands of white people.

This child's death IS tragic, but it's not normal.

And black children are murdered at a much higher rate than white kids and THAT should be the news being reported on DAILY in this country.

But I don't understand why you seem to be so bothered that this one is being reported, unless it's to lessen the tragedy somehow by saying 'but they do it to each other more and nobody says anything!'.

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Somehow SHE became more important than EVERY OTHER CHILD IN THE WORLD.

How many black children will die during the focus on this one story, that wouldn't be news except for the fact that the murderer was white?

10 people murdered in Chicago, over a single weekend including a 6yr old black girl....was it national news? No. You know why? Because the media was all up in arms over Trayvon Martin. Was this girl less important than Trayvon or was it because her murderers were black that it was deemed by the media to be a local story and not worthy of national attention?

just another black child killed in the ghetto by black gangsters...no need to focus on that or the hundreds more just like her that die every single year.

There are lots of things that are tragic, however, the topic in this post was of a very young black child killed outside his home by a white man who alleged that the child had taken something. To me it is tragic in a different way than the murders you refer to. While the old man may have been experiencing some form of dementia---I believe that he shot because of distrust and fears of "others" that the white (right) wing media seeks to instill in the public. Would he have accused the child of stealing if the child was white? Would he have shot if the kid was white? I, personally, do not think that he would have-racism is so easily instilled and so hard to expunge.

That black children are killed by black children is another tragic event but is not the topic here. It is not to diminish that subject but the causes and contributing factors at issue there are different and deserving of a different post.

so what are you basing your opinion on, other than his skin color and age?

Which basically means that the case above is an anomaly.

So, what's your point, Darius' death doesn't matter because it's not part of a statistical norm?

The epidemic in the black community is murders of black children by black children.

Focusing on something outside the statistical norm does nothing to address what is REALLY happening to black children.

as opposed to white children.

Black children are far more likely to be murdered than white children

Which goes to show that young black males have it pretty tough all the way around.

Is there a point as to why Darius' death is even less tragic a loss than any of the others?

and I'm not saying it's LESS tragic but it's certainly not MORE tragic.

He was less likely to be murdered by a 75yr old white man than a member of his own race....he beat the odds

I guess you that that mean he was lucky not to be killed by another black person first?

And yeah, you're right, he wasn't shotgunned. My mistake.

But, it doesn't make it any better, now does it?

but being up in arms about a murder that is OUTSIDE THE NORM based on the murder statistics in the black community is perfectly acceptable?

Thousands of black children will be murdered this year....out of every 100 of them, less than 10 will be murdered by a person of another race. THAT is a fact. and THAT should be what the focus is on.

This story is about a kid being killed in an obvious hate crime. He was falsely accused of theft and shot dead while unarmed and protesting his innocence.

Your posts about black on black violence aren't even relevant to this.

If you want to talk about it, make a thread about it. It's off-topic here. It's so far off-topic here that it rises to the level of race-baiting.

Do you have any evidence that he was killed soley because of the color of his skin and not the mental condition of the shooter?

My posts on black violence focus on a much bigger issue that is being ignored by people, like yourself, who shriek about "hate crimes" whenever a black person is killed by a white one. You only CARE about black children dying when the killer is white or might be white...otherwise, you don't care about what happens to black children.

when there's nothing in the article that alludes to it being a hate crime. White man killed a black child...so it MUST be a hate crime, right?
I get it, you don't really care about black children dying. You care about THIS black child dying because the killer was a white man.

are soooo obvious. this thread is about a boy who was shot to death by a crazy white man. if they are soooo concerned about the deaths of black children, you would think they would post their own thread about that subject. instead they hijack this thread with their faux "concern."

And it pisses me off every time I see their f*cking "concern."

So good to see you, my gorgeous one. Hope all is well in your neck of the woods.

i will pm you with details soon. any sighting of Karenina?

so...your comment is not relevant to this story.

if you cared about black children dying, you wouldn't only care about them dying at the hands of white people.
All other black children dying in the streets are just part of life, right?

Why are you minimizing this child's murder?

84% of white people are killed by white people. Why aren't you on a tirade about that?

It appears to be quite important to you that racial murders are not discussed. Exactly why is this?

If you want to discuss black-on-black crime, you should start your own thread, not hijack someone else's thread. You are attempting to suppress a discussion of a murder that may be racially based.

Posters like him are never interested in debate, just pissing people off...

yes, and why would someone do such a thing?

maybe the question answers itself.

But usually not when they're only 13 and innocently taking out the trash.

Question is: Will this kids target range images sell out as quickly as Trayvon's?

Breaks my heart that the witness was his mother.

Breaks my heart that no one actually witnessed Z murdering Trayvon.

Hopefully there will be justice.

Spooner may just die in prison waiting for the needle.

Hasn't for a looong time.

He's 75, so he's going to get life, literally, in prison. He may very well die in prison.

and the publicity engendered by SYG killings, contribute to these types of charged murders? I know I do. The publicity allows some people to think that they can get away with it.

our thoughts as a possible way to handle any situation. Kind of like when people thing war is the only solution.

...such as "climate." He's in his own private Idaho.

The publicity allows some people to think that they can get away with it.

Maybe, but I suspect this is not going to turn out to be an example of that.

The reasonable voices there tend to get drowned out by the devotees of concealed carry.

you'd need to collect a lot of stats to back that claim.

What we have are a handful (three?) of super hyped cases that are getting a lot of attention.

And while certainly tragic that alone is not proof of any sort of trend.

Just like getting two people trying to eat other humans within a few days of each other isn't proof of a zombie apocalypse.

We live in bizarro- so many people have lost all sense of decency. Poor boy and poor Mom.

That is TRAGIC!! I hope the murderer is punished to the full extent of the law and dies in prison--which, from the looks of him, won't take long.

Bake

by a crazy man, who happened to be white. he should be punished because he is a murderer, as should all murders.