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Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts) Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:14 AM Mar 2016

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More dumbfuckery from Red States: This time. . .raw milk in West Virginia

Just a few weeks ago, West Virginians passed a law overriding the cruel, barbaric raw milk prohibition that’s plagued the state for years. To mark the occasion, these same dairy-loving lawmakers downed what else but a tall glass of milk—raw and dirty just like god intended. In totally unrelated news, a bunch of West Virginia lawmakers are now suffering from a severe stomach illness.

While some claim that it’s “just a coincidence,” health officials have launched a probe looking into the situation after an anonymous complaint was filed at the state Department of Health and Human Resources.

assholes on parade.

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More dumbfuckery from Red States: This time. . .raw milk in West Virginia (Original Post) Feeling the Bern Mar 2016 OP

Silly people, raw milk is for making cheese. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2016 #1

I use it pretty regularly Recursion Mar 2016 #2

In Europe they sell raw milk out of vending machines Major Nikon Mar 2016 #16

Yep Recursion Mar 2016 #17

I DEMAND THAT RAW MILK BE LABELLED!!!!1! Orrex Mar 2016 #3

Raw milk producers label it in huge letters because it sells Recursion Mar 2016 #5

That's one way to spin it, sure. Orrex Mar 2016 #6

I'm not sure what you mean. I love raw milk Recursion Mar 2016 #7

Since you've made that assertion twice, please clarify Orrex Mar 2016 #8

CDC has a search feature Recursion Mar 2016 #9

You made the assertion, so it's up to you to support it Orrex Mar 2016 #10

You are aware that more outbreaks of E. coli, Norovirus and Salmonella... Chan790 Mar 2016 #11

Maybe because raw milk wasn't available? LisaL Mar 2016 #12

The consumption of raw milk is legal in every state Major Nikon Mar 2016 #15

Was that lettuce washed? Orrex Mar 2016 #13

That wouldn't necessarily make it more dangerous Major Nikon Mar 2016 #14

Comparing a small market of raw milk to a huge market in leafy greens. HuckleB Mar 2016 #25

Yeah, that's why the operation of "division" exists Recursion Mar 2016 #27

The only income my Grandparents had was Milk, Butter, and eggs. ileus Mar 2016 #4

Indeed The state should have the Legal Authority to tell you what you can eat and drink AxionExcel Mar 2016 #18

In this case it's the Democrats who are anti-free-will Major Nikon Mar 2016 #23

That law should probably be put out to Pasteur. 11 Bravo Mar 2016 #19

A pox on you. Orrex Mar 2016 #21

Your intolerance of lactose is showing Major Nikon Mar 2016 #22

The dumbfuckery is vetoing the bill Major Nikon Mar 2016 #20

Pa. dairy’s raw milk is linked to listeriosis death HuckleB Mar 2016 #24

I Grew Up With it. JonathanRackham Mar 2016 #26

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)

1. Silly people, raw milk is for making cheese. n/t

Reply to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:25 AM

Mar 2016

Recursion

(56,582 posts)

2. I use it pretty regularly

Reply to PoliticAverse (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:50 AM

Mar 2016

The most dangerous category of food is fresh-cut vegetables, not dairy.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)

16. In Europe they sell raw milk out of vending machines

Reply to Recursion (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:58 AM

Mar 2016

Recursion

(56,582 posts)

17. Yep

Reply to Major Nikon (Reply #16)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:02 AM

Mar 2016

Depends on the country, of course.

Orrex

(63,216 posts)

3. I DEMAND THAT RAW MILK BE LABELLED!!!!1!

Reply to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 06:36 AM

Mar 2016

What are raw milk producers trying to hide, if there's nothing wrong with their product and they're so proud of it?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)

5. Raw milk producers label it in huge letters because it sells

Reply to Orrex (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:09 AM

Mar 2016

There's a huge difference between Monstanto or whoever trying to hide what's in their product, and a dairy farmer telling me explicitly what's in the product.

Orrex

(63,216 posts)

6. That's one way to spin it, sure.

Reply to Recursion (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:14 AM

Mar 2016

Recursion

(56,582 posts)

7. I'm not sure what you mean. I love raw milk

Reply to Orrex (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:18 AM

Mar 2016

The deadliest category of food in the US is fresh leafy vegetables and we don't require it be pasteurized. Food carries risks. I don't see why, if I am aware that the product is raw milk, it should be illegal for me to buy it, or the cow owner to sell it.

(It gets better: I can't legally buy raw milk in DC, so I technically own a share of a cow, from which I get a portion of milk, although the actual transactions are essentially the same as if I were buying raw milk. Great use of government resources there...)

Orrex

(63,216 posts)

8. Since you've made that assertion twice, please clarify

Reply to Recursion (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:22 AM

Mar 2016

The deadliest category of food in the US is fresh leafy vegetables

In what way, exactly, are fresh leafy vegetables the most deadly? Please be specific, give numbers, and cite your sources.

After all, anti-science types endlessly demand 100% proof that GMOs are safe, so it should be easy for you to produce documentary support.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)

9. CDC has a search feature

Reply to Orrex (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:53 AM

Mar 2016

http://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/foodborne-germs.html

The "which is the most dangerous?" question is unanswerable because you would have to know how many servings of cut veg vs. dairy vs. meat are actually consumed. The category with the most actual outbreaks is cut leafy veg, but again that's eaten more often than any other category so who's to say. It's mostly because farm owners don't offer sufficient bathroom facilities to their pickers. That's a pleasant thought...

After all, anti-science types endlessly demand 100% proof that GMOs are safe

And they're idiots. Just like people who ignore the data about dairy.

Orrex

(63,216 posts)

10. You made the assertion, so it's up to you to support it

Reply to Recursion (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:58 AM

Mar 2016

If you can't provide the support, you can't demand that your readers find it for you.

You made a definitive claim, but now you're saying that the question can't be answered. Well, which is it? Also, what you're suggesting is that dirty vegetables are somehow equivalent to (or worse than) germ-laden raw milk. Do you not see that the comparison is foolish?

I can wash lettuce. I can't readily pasteurize raw milk.

Hey, suck your milk straight out of the cow, for all I care.

Chan790

(20,176 posts)

11. You are aware that more outbreaks of E. coli, Norovirus and Salmonella...

Reply to Orrex (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:32 AM

Mar 2016

over the past 3 years have been attributed to contaminated lettuce than any other cause, right?

I just wanted to make sure you knew that, as it kind of makes your question seem a little silly...in the "prove water is wet" sense.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)

12. Maybe because raw milk wasn't available?

Reply to Chan790 (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:35 AM

Mar 2016

You are making claims that vegetables are more dangerous because more problems were caused by vegetables. Yet raw milk wasn't for sale. Raw milk can't cause problems unless its made legal (like this law did) can it?

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)

15. The consumption of raw milk is legal in every state

Reply to LisaL (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:57 AM

Mar 2016

Most states allow the commercial sale of raw milk.

Orrex

(63,216 posts)

13. Was that lettuce washed?

Reply to Chan790 (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:40 AM

Mar 2016

Also, how much raw produce is consumed in the US annually? Versus how much raw milk?

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)

14. That wouldn't necessarily make it more dangerous

Reply to Chan790 (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:54 AM

Mar 2016

Virtually everyone consumes raw lettuce and only a small minority of people consume raw milk.

This whole line is a bit silly. It's kinda like trying to figure out if walking to the library or riding the bus is more dangerous.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)

25. Comparing a small market of raw milk to a huge market in leafy greens.

Reply to Recursion (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:18 PM

Mar 2016

Does not make the raw milk safe.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/nation/2016/03/21/raw-milk-listeriosis/82080282/

Recursion

(56,582 posts)

27. Yeah, that's why the operation of "division" exists

Reply to HuckleB (Reply #25)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:28 PM

Mar 2016

To make that comparison meaningful.

ileus

(15,396 posts)

4. The only income my Grandparents had was Milk, Butter, and eggs.

Reply to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:07 AM

Mar 2016

AxionExcel

(755 posts)

18. Indeed The state should have the Legal Authority to tell you what you can eat and drink

Reply to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:13 AM

Mar 2016

Who could possibly argue against that? Screw the free-will, free-choicers. If they violate the state's laws on what is permissible to eat they should not only suffer the consequences of free will, but also feel the full legal weight of the authorities.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)

23. In this case it's the Democrats who are anti-free-will

Reply to AxionExcel (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:38 AM

Mar 2016

http://www.realmilk.com/west-virginia-governor-vetoes-raw-milk-bill/

Although a Republican governor vetoed a similar measure in Nevada.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)

19. That law should probably be put out to Pasteur.

Reply to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:19 AM

Mar 2016

Orrex

(63,216 posts)

21. A pox on you.

Reply to 11 Bravo (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:28 AM

Mar 2016

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)

22. Your intolerance of lactose is showing

Reply to Orrex (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:31 AM

Mar 2016

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)

20. The dumbfuckery is vetoing the bill

Reply to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:26 AM

Mar 2016

Bernie is a supporter of raw milk production, BTW

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)

24. Pa. dairy’s raw milk is linked to listeriosis death

Reply to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:16 PM

Mar 2016

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/nation/2016/03/21/raw-milk-listeriosis/82080282/

JonathanRackham

(1,604 posts)

26. I Grew Up With it.

Reply to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:22 PM

Mar 2016

Pulled a few teats in my time. Pasture raised totally organic bovine. I do suspect the problem in WV is the politicians don't know the difference between a cow and a bull.

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