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notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 04:52 PM Mar 2016

Chicago Hands China $1.3 Billion Order for New Urban Train Cars

Chicago’s transport authorities handed a $1.3 billion rail cars contract for the city’s "L" urban rail system to a unit of China’s CRRC Corp., the company’s second deal in the U.S. in 18 months.

The order is for 846 7000-series rail cars from CSR Sifang America JV, which submitted the lowest bid, Chicago Transport Authority said in a statement on its website Thursday. Prototypes for an initial order for 400 train cars are due in 2019 and expected to go into a service a year later after tests. As part of its winning bid, CSR Sifang will also invest $40 million to build a rail assembly facility in Chicago.

The deal is China’s second in the U.S., following the one China CNR Corp. won in October 2014 worth $567 million to supply trains for Boston’s subway system.

CNR and CSR Corp. subsequently merged last year to form CRRC Corp. in a bid to achieve greater economies of scale and compete more effectively in the global market. China Premier Li Keqiang is leading an overseas push by Chinese train equipment makers as part of a broader strategy to turn China into an advanced industrialized nation.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-10/chicago-hands-china-1-3-billion-order-for-new-urban-train-cars
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Chicago Hands China $1.3 Billion Order for New Urban Train Cars (Original Post) notadmblnd Mar 2016 OP
This is a disgrace...that money and many jobs could be kept here in the U.S. Human101948 Mar 2016 #1
Don't blame US companies for this one 1939 Mar 2016 #2
Really? Throd Mar 2016 #3
You do understand that Siemens is a German firm, right? n/t A HERETIC I AM Mar 2016 #5
Are they hiring Germans or Sacramentans? Throd Mar 2016 #6
I made the comment because of the context of the previous post. A HERETIC I AM Mar 2016 #7
I'm in Sacramento. We can use the work. Throd Mar 2016 #8
I'm sure you do and it's great that the plant is operating. A HERETIC I AM Mar 2016 #9
I posted this without comment notadmblnd Mar 2016 #4
And L.A. KamaAina Mar 2016 #10
Not underhandedly 1939 Mar 2016 #11
Between 1938 and 1950, National City Lines and its subsidiaries, notadmblnd Mar 2016 #12
National City Lines was buying up privately owned transit lines 1939 Mar 2016 #13
I seem to remember a street car on Jefferson in the early to mid 70's notadmblnd Mar 2016 #14
It actually began operation in 1976 1939 Mar 2016 #15
According to GM's own files, notadmblnd Mar 2016 #16
 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
1. This is a disgrace...that money and many jobs could be kept here in the U.S.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 04:59 PM
Mar 2016
But we loves our trade deficit.

The U.S. trade deficit with China was $365.7 billion in 2015 This is a new record, up slightly from last year's record of $343 billion.

The trade deficit exists because U.S. exports to China were only $116.2 billion while imports from China hit a new record of $481.9 billion. The deficit keeps growing because imports are rising faster than exports.

The United States imports consumer electronics, clothing and machinery from China. A lot of the imports are from U.S.-based companies that send raw materials to China for cheap assembly. When they are shipped back to the U.S., they are called imports even though they are profiting American-owned companies. (Source: U.S. Census, U.S. Trade in Goods With China)


http://useconomy.about.com/od/tradepolicy/p/us-china-trade.htm

Yes, U.S. companies which have cut out the American worker and then hide their profits overseas to avoid paying for the government and military that enables them to do business.

1939

(1,683 posts)
2. Don't blame US companies for this one
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:07 PM
Mar 2016

People quit riding trains and streetcars. The US companies that made passenger equipment either closed up shop or turned to other business to remain viable. There is no domestic passenger rail equipment production in the US and hasn't been for forty years. Government entities seeking rail passenger equipment have to go outside the country to buy it. Only government entities are buying passenger rail equipment these days (except maybe All Aboard Florida).

A HERETIC I AM

(24,371 posts)
7. I made the comment because of the context of the previous post.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:47 PM
Mar 2016

The poster above said;

The US companies that made passenger equipment either closed up shop or turned to other business to remain viable. There is no domestic passenger rail equipment production in the US and hasn't been for forty years.


You responded with a video of a GERMAN company making railcars in the US.


That's all.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,371 posts)
9. I'm sure you do and it's great that the plant is operating.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 06:08 PM
Mar 2016

But again, "1939" was not wrong.

His claim about it being 40 years since a US company made passenger railcars in the US isn't far wrong. The Pullman company built its last passenger railcar in 1987.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
4. I posted this without comment
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:16 PM
Mar 2016

The good news is that they're building a facility here to build these rail cars.

But since you mention blame. You are totally wrong, it was the car companies (rather underhandedly) that put the nix on public transportation. At least they it is the reason for it here in Detroit.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
10. And L.A.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 06:24 PM
Mar 2016

You'd never know it today, but L.A. once had one of the best transit systems in the country, Pacific Electric's "big red cars" (streetcars). Then GM bought them out and replaced them with diesel buses, which people promptly stopped riding, turning L.A. into the transit desert that it was until just the past decade or so.

1939

(1,683 posts)
11. Not underhandedly
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 07:25 PM
Mar 2016

They gave DSR such a good deal on buses (Ford, Mack, Twin Coach) in the 50s and the streetcar system was suffering from 40 years of deferred maintenance that the most cost-effective course of action was to replace the streetcars with motor buses. Detroit had a very good bus system for a while, but the kleptocracy that ran the city in the 70s and 80s ran the bus system into the ground.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
12. Between 1938 and 1950, National City Lines and its subsidiaries,
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 07:29 PM
Mar 2016
Between 1938 and 1950, National City Lines and its subsidiaries, American City Lines and Pacific City Lines—with investment from GM, Firestone Tire, Standard Oil of California through a subsidiary, Federal Engineering, Phillips Petroleum, and Mack Trucks—gained control of additional transit systems in about 25 cities.[3] Systems included St. Louis, Baltimore, Los Angeles, and Oakland. NCL often converted streetcars to bus operations in that period, although electric traction was preserved or expanded in some locations. Other systems, such as San Diego's, were converted by outgrowths of the City Lines. Most companies involved were convicted in 1949 of conspiracy to monopolize interstate commerce in the sale of buses, fuel, and supplies to NCL subsidiaries, but were acquitted of conspiring to monopolize the transit industry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy

1939

(1,683 posts)
13. National City Lines was buying up privately owned transit lines
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 07:43 PM
Mar 2016

Detroit Street Railways (DSR) had nothing to do with National City Lines as it had been owned by the municipal government since the end of WWI. The first streetcar line to be converted to buses was the Dearborn Avenue line in 1925. Motor bus replacements continued (with a brief respite in WWII) until 1956 when the last streetcar line in Detroit (Woodward Ave) was converted to buses.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
14. I seem to remember a street car on Jefferson in the early to mid 70's
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 07:46 PM
Mar 2016

It may have just been a tourist attraction then, but I remember it.

1939

(1,683 posts)
15. It actually began operation in 1976
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 07:57 PM
Mar 2016

and it was pretty much a tourist attraction with 90cm gauge antique trolley cars from Lisbon, Portugal rather than as a part of the city transit network. It was an L-shaped route which began at Jefferson and Randolph. It ran west to Washington Blvd and turned north on Washington Blvd to just short of Grand Circus Park. There was a car barn for storage near the David Whitney Building. I am not sure how long that trolley operation lasted.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
16. According to GM's own files,
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 07:59 PM
Mar 2016
Sloan established a special unit within the corporation which was charged, among other things, with the task of replacing America's electric railways with cars, trucks and buses.

A year earlier, in 1921, GM lost $65 million, leading Sloan to conclude that the auto market was saturated, that those who desired cars already owned them, and that the only way to increase GM's sales and restore its profitability was by eliminating its principal rival: electric railways.


General Motors sought to reduce competition from electric railways through a variety of measures, including the use of freight leverage. GM, for decades, was the nation's largest shipper of freight over railroads, which controlled some of America's most extensive railways. By wielding freight traffic as a club, GM persuaded railroads to abandon their electric rail subsidiaries.


With a pack of notorious mobsters, GM helped purchase and scrap the street railways serving Minneapolis-St. Paul.


Members of GM's special unit went to, among others, the Southern Pacific, owner of Los Angeles' Pacific Electric, the world's largest interurban, with 1,500 miles of track, reaching 75 miles from San Bernardino, north to San Fernando, and south to Santa Ana; the New York Central, owner of the New York State Railways, 600 miles of street railways and interurban lines in upstate New York; and the New Haven, owner of 1,500 miles of trolley lines in New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts.

In each case, by threatening to divert lucrative automobile freight to rival carriers, they persuaded the railroad (according to GM's own files) to convert its electric street cars to motor buses -- slow, cramped, foul-smelling vehicles whose inferior performance invariable led riders to purchase automobiles.


According to U.S. Department of Justice documents, officials of GM visited banks used by railways in Philadelphia, Dallas, Kansas City and other locations, and, by offering them millions in additional deposits, persuaded their rail clients to convert to motor vehicles.


Where these measures were unavailing, GM formed holding companies to buy up and motorize the railways directly. Thus, it helped organize and finance United Cities Motor Transit as a wholly owned GM subsidiary, as well as Greyhound, Rex Finance, Omnibus Corporation, National City Lines, Pacific City Lines, American City Lines, City Coach Lines, Manning Transportation and numerous other concerns, which acquired rail systems across the country, including those in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington, St. Louis, Salt Lake City, Sacramento, San Diego and Oakland.



Where rail systems could not be bought, GM bought rail officials instead, giving Cadillacs to those who converted to buses.
http://www.lovearth.net/gmdeliberatelydestroyed.htm
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