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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI think Trump just won the nomination.
Before I begin, let me say I applaud the anti-Trump protestors' heart and intent. But I think the end result is going to be the nomination of Donald Trump for President on the Republican ticket. This would end a candidate in a sane world, but this is Trumpworld where there is no such thing as bad publicity. And just as a train wreck attacks onlookers, this will definately peel off some of more extreme Cruz supporters and put Trump over the top in key primaries.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)doc03
(35,378 posts)you think after he gets the nomination that the media isn't going to give him
constant free air time.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)about Trump--until just a few says ago. Hubby always thought Trump was a joke who would never get elected. My husband was enjoying the spectacle.
Today he commented that Trump is no longer acting like an idiotic buffoon. He's all ready pivoted to primary/presidential mode. Hubby said, "I think everything we've seen this far has been an act. He knew that he had to galvanize the base/crazies and get them on board. Now he's going after the Indies and the Dems."
Hubby pointed out how Trump is discussing how horrific these trade deals are for America and how terrible the dirty corporate money in politics is creating bought-off politicians. Trump is also now discussing and touting his anti-war stances--and his belief that Iraq was a mistake.
I looked at my husband and said...holy shit.
I think my husband is right.
Sad to admit it, but I'm frightened. I think he played the buffoon, as strategy. I think he's a lot smarter/diabolical than people realize.
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EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Stupid people don't become billionaires.
Edit to add, Good post. I've got to hand it to Trump. He's several steps ahead. Will see if his pivoting strategy plays out on Tuesday.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)You said "stupid people don't become billionaires." Trump inherited money. It's not like he started with nothing.
And Trump may be a good negotiator and a decent business man and he may be smart in a business sense--but he is not WISE. Wise, decent people do not say the things that he has said. Let's be perfectly clear about that.
Wise men do not want to build walls around our country. Wise men do not position Hispanics as "rapists" and "murderers." Wise men do not drag their feet on responding to the Ku Klux Klan supporting your candidacy.
And I don't think he's "several steps ahead."
I think he's a demagogue who will say anything to anyone to get elected.
The scary thing is that I think he's done with his, "I'm a buffoon and a racist assclown" portion of the entertainment and he's now about to try to bamboozle the other demographics.
I find it frightening!
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)He will twist this to his advantage.
SamKnause
(13,110 posts)ret5hd
(20,522 posts)cruz got some god stuff on his side!
ladjf
(17,320 posts)It does make it appear that the real power brokers never intended to elect a Republican President.
They had already had their deal going with Candidate Clinton and they trusted her to do what she was supposed to do.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)He reminds me of Martin Sheen's character in The Dead Zone.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)This will have nothing to do with it. But, it does put them on notice they need to tone down the hate speech and stop being violent against POC and other protesters.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)physically run out of the building that you had reserved for a rally. He was "run out of town" like
a horse thief. That's embarrassing. He was already losing to Clinton and Sanders.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)angry white men in America who are willing to get off their duffs and vote.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)There's a minor reason I'm behind Bernie - I want to see Drumpf's nazi ass get served to him on a platter by a socialist Jew.
JFKDem62
(383 posts)In GOP world, right is wrong, and wrong is right.
Trump is using all of this to further his own agenda.
OhZone
(3,212 posts)It could help him with the GOP and hurt him in the General.
Oh well.
MuttLikeMe
(279 posts)The rest of the world now sees the bully finally being stood up to, and these protests could in fact encourage more people to do the same, in larger numbers. People are finally tired of his bullshit
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Tess49
(1,580 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Like what happened in North Carolina where a supporter punched a protester.
Renew Deal
(81,873 posts)This may play well in the universe he operates in.
MuttLikeMe
(279 posts)He's running to become leader of the free world so yes he is. And the world but most importantly people in this country are taking notice of his violent words.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Why schedule this is in Chicago? He's usually not in city centers. This was rigged for reality TV. He knew this would happen FFS
lunasun
(21,646 posts)How does being a loser forced to leave look good?
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)He gets to sit there and say his speech was violated and his people were hurt. On TV they're showing largely POC fighting with white morans holding American flags in Trump shirts. Don't you see how this will go down?
lunasun
(21,646 posts)IMO He was stopped tonight because many people are not nor think his campaign is normal ( for this country)
It is not , but yes a large part of the country will let fascism come wrapped in a flag
truegrit44
(332 posts)glad someone else thinks it
This is in reply to it being a set up from the get go.........
Renew Deal
(81,873 posts)I'm assuming at any level.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)Mark my words.
RandySF
(59,237 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)called his bully bluff. Remember, bullies are always, always cowards. It's the basic nature of bullies.
All of the cute, smart alec nonsense he's been spouting behind the safety of the TV camera has changed.
His next "rally" might be broadcast from a secret location and transmitted out to the TV public.
The worst possible tactic by Trump would be to show up with a couple of thousand mercenary armed thugs. I don't think his judgment is that poor.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)in the snoot. That's the only nose he's concerned with.
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)airtime. Wrapping himself in the free speech flag gives him credibility.
We can't ever forget Trump is a master with the media. As I write this, Trumps campaign spokesperson is making the rounds on the news channels pounding the message the protesters are shutting down free speech rights.
We underestimate this guy at our own peril
lunasun
(21,646 posts)why think more people are turning to hate?
Each time he sinks to a new low, his poll numbers increase and he wins more elections.
The why is an open question for me.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Although I wish it wasn't so.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)dammit
malthaussen
(17,216 posts)And do you really think Mr Trump's nomination was in doubt? There is no evident change in his status, except possibly to make his followers more fervent: the GOP establishment still despises him and will be exploring ways and means to stop him, up to and possibly including precipitating a crisis at the convention.
-- Mal
RandySF
(59,237 posts)Now I think he does.
malthaussen
(17,216 posts)However, I'll agree with the point that this will not hurt him, and should strengthen him. But I would not be at all surprised if the GOP does not precipitate a crisis at the convention, whereby the winner of the primaries and the delegates is not awarded the nomination. Much depends upon the identity of the Democratic nominee, because Mrs Clinton will obviously be more suitable to the GOP establishment than any other candidate, but if Mr Sanders takes the nomination, then that same establishment is not going to allow two anti-establishment candidates in the general election. What they can do about it is the question. Please do note that saying Mrs Clinton is more acceptable to the GOP establishment than any other candidate running now is not intended as a knock on Mrs Clinton.
-- Mal
spanone
(135,880 posts)liberal N proud
(60,346 posts)Inside and outside the convention
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Tonight was a preview of coming attractions.
LannyDeVaney
(1,033 posts)the math indicates he has nearly locked it up.
However, it has now gone from a "Obama vs Romney" blowout to a Goldwater blowout in November.
world wide wally
(21,755 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)part.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)How's that look? They don't, they cut a wide path around him.
If they do go to a brokered convention, they're not going to use it to anoint Cruz. He's loathed. And if they do go the convention route, I believe the current "A brokered convention would go against the will of the voters" would fatally bite them on the ass.
The Web has been praising Marco Rubio's "performance" last night, but...not including the cringe-inducing "climate change" gaffe...it was too little too late, and it followed his penis jokes and grade-school giggling while delivering them.
Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich. I think we're looking at Trump, too. And whether it ends up being Hillary or Bernie, I'm sure both of them would come loaded for bear. There will be s small, wet, orange circle left on the ground that used to be Trump.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)And a lot of us saw this coming last summer, when everyone else was treating him as a big joke.
I am so angry at the media -- they are finally getting around to asking the questions and making the observations that could have made some difference had they been asked and made in September.
Way too late now, I'm afraid.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Because he's at fault for black youth unemployment.
This is such bullshit.
Sparkly
(24,149 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)I believe continued protests would run Trump out of the race.
Further, either of the Democratic candidates could have defeated him without the demonstration.
Look, Trump ran like the chicken coward, bully is his. My guess is that he was scared s..tless and feared for his life. There are no bigger cowards than bullies.
Lets' watch to see what Donald, the bully, Trump does next.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Between Cruz and Trump, that is like picking puss or maggots in puss for breakfast.
Marr
(20,317 posts)I've no doubt every authoritarian clown on the right got their first erections in years watching video of that event, but they're not enough to win an election, and that violence will put a lot of others off in a big way.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and I do not underestimate him winning the presidency either.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)but this probably solidified his base of support
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)Couldn't have played more into his hands if it were scripted.
The "angry backlash candidate" is now even more credible as an angry backlash candidate than ever.
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)It's going to be a bumpy ride
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)'Town Hall' on TV tonite, castrating another contender.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)This incident will also peel off some Trump supporters who are a little more rational. Some will see the problem.
It's a wash.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)People forget that Reagan made his claim to fame by his opposition to Berkeley protesters in CA in the late 60s. He never looked back after that.
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)I wish I were surprised - but an unfortunate number of these Trump types, aka racist, xenophobic, fascist-worshiping A-holes are family members and ex-classmates of mine. I know what they are like.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)I'm not supporting Bernie in the primary, but one thing I've been WRONG about is his inability to win in a GE. As the picture has become clearer over the last 8 weeks I have no doubt Bernie could beat Drumpf and the lot as could Hillary.
They have different strengths and weaknesses, but barring something kooky (which could happen) we're going to have a Dem president in 2016 and the world will breathe a deep sigh of relief.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)The republicans have descended into a massive civil war. They were all told over the last 8 years that negotiation and compromise were the worst things ever, and now each of their factions believes that they are the only one that matters. Trump just happened to appeal to the largest faction in that party, which is brain dead racists that wish it was 1920 again. The Republican party needs to burn and be reborn into something that isn't based on Richard Nixon/Ronald Reagan philosophy of 45 years ago. Trump and his violent supports are the last gasp of that philosophy refusing to go quietly and this is what we get.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)we win. When the left and democrats don't vote, we lose. That's all I want to say on the matter.