The "but we are right" argument of behavior is one that depends on everyone having the same definition of "right"

And deported? How many assaulted at a Hillary rally, how many arrested at Bernie's?

The thing about people who do not think the way you do, is that they don't think the way you do.

They are faced with (a) a commie atheist, who wasn't a Christian in the first place, who they believe is calling for the abolition of private property and outlawing religion (b) a lesbian who intends to have all men castrated while taking away their guns and disbanding the military.

You seem to labor under the delusion that these people live in the same reality as you. They don't.

In 2008, I remember my wife and I chatting with a nice young man at a local bar. He was in the Marines and he told us that EVERYONE in the Marines knew that Hillary intended to disband the Marine Corps if she was elected. She intended to do this as revenge against the entire Corps, because when she was in the White House, she wanted to get revenge against her husband by sleeping with one of the Marine honor guard. The guard refused, and so she vowed to eliminate the Marines.

Now, mind you, this young man seemed otherwise perfectly normal, and it is my understanding that one has to pass an IQ test of some kind in order to get in.

But this is something he firmly believed as fact, because he heard it from his CO, who was very well connected.

You have no idea the shit people sincerely believe. That it is flat out crazy has no relation to the sincerity of their belief.

There is not a SINGLE R candidate (other than the hopeless Kasich) which does not want to deport all undocumented immigrants. Trump is hardly unusual in that regard.

since I've never encountered it before. I've never argued about gay marriage with my brother. Haven't experienced my brother-in-law saying that Mitt was right about the 47%. Or endured my father bragging about what a great VP Palin was going to be.

I've been dealing with it since my earliest memories, which were discussing woman's rights with my grandmother. Care to guess which one of us was for them? And the one thing that I've learned is that you don't back down. They have every right to spit out every ugly word they want to, they just have to know that if I'm within hearing range I will call them out on it.

And you know what? Several of my nieces and nephews take after me.

It's not like we disagree with Trump on issues like Common Core and the minimum wage.

Trump is a racist!!! He says that all Muslims hate us. He wants to stop any Muslim from coming to America. He positions immigrants from Mexico as "rapists" and "murderers." Trump refused to denounce David Duke, a KKK member. His supporters cold cocked a black man at one of his rallies, who was doing nothing wrong.

I'm sorry, but protesting peacefully is a form of expression. It is not violent or wrong. Yes, Trump supporters have a right to attend Trump's rallies. No protester is impeding that.

The protesters are there to say that, "Donald Trump's racism and hate is wrong and we are standing up against it!"

They protest for 15 seconds, they're bounced and 2 minutes later--the rally is normalized. The protesters are exercising free speech too.

We have got to stand up and denounce this. Minorities in this country are afraid because of Trump! We must stand up and show the world that racism, bigotry and hate are wrong!

speech.

Nothing wrong with that.

It's just chaos.

Our candidates don't spew hate speech nor encourage it. This guy is dangerous and unless someone speaks out against him, he's going to get more and more powerful.

Sounds like some other people in history and I am fine with that comparison.

the people who disagree with them. There is usually a anti-racist assembly going on right alongside whatever racist protest the KKK or Westboro Baptist Church has. Trump has been spewing racist hateful speech for a long time. It's great to see people protesting him.

Trump's rhetoric has been escalating. Rachel Maddow put together a sequential, time-stamped, series of video clips of Trump speaking from the podium at his rallies, starting February 1st, and proceeding up to his rally earlier today in Missouri.

Good Lord! I knew it was bad, but I didn't know it was THIS bad. He's been encouraging his supporters to physically attack opponents at almost every rally. And it's getting worse and worse. I mean he's encouraging them to really fuck somebody up. He's been "joking" that just regular beatings aren't enough. Unbelievable.

No, I think the protesters are courageous and right to confront him now.

this guy is a fascist

You are 100% free to use your voice to shout someone else down.

Will you be saying that when Trump supporters shout down our candidates?

And then we have a shouting contest for the rest of the year?

If all they bring is volume, no matter how much, they lose.

What is this? "We better be meek and polite, else they might not be!" Fuck that, they are ATTACKING PEOPLE. There are literal calls for purges and mass violence. They're already drawing blood, and we're supposed to be scared of getting loud?

He could win. Do you realize that?

My husband so astutely pointed out that Trump has pivoted from his crazy, egomaniac routine to his GE Presidential candidate persona. Trump has the crazies in the Rep party on his side, now he's going after the indies and Dems. He recently began talking about how awful the free trade deals are; and how corrupt the corporations and their dirty money are. He's also positioning himself as anti-war and suggesting that Bush should be in jail for Iraq.

Trump has fueled record Republican voter turnout.

The man is dangerous, but he is not dumb.
This is not funny anymore.

And what happens as he rises in popularity and more people buy what he's selling? What will we say to future generations? I'm sorry, but we didn't want to be rude and disrupt his rallies, so we just allowed him to spew racist, xenophobic hate and amass more support?

Protests are not simply about disrupting a rally and shouting. Their purpose is to demonstrate that many abhor what is being said. Our country needs to see that presence and minorities in this country need to see that many in this country find Trump's racism unacceptable.

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What you see, and what others see, even when looking at the same thing - is not the same thing.

You see people standing up to his odious ideas. Others see chaos.

And one thing that tends to sort people into "conservative" and "liberal" is their fear response.

People with a larger amygdala tend toward conservatism. Disorder frightens them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds

With all of the protests against him, why did people not realize that Nixon was a paranoid authoritarian? The reason is pretty simple. By exploiting the disorder itself to persuade voters that a paranoid aurhoritarian was precisely what the country needed to "restore law and order".

Even as Trump's support in the GOP base has grown, so has the margin of ANY D candidate against him in the general.

Absolutely it is important for people to understand how toxic his ideas are. But he does a fantastic job of that by himself.

You think there is any Trump voter anywhere in this country this evening who said "Gee, a lot of folks sure are upset by Trump. I guess I'll vote for Clinton or Sanders."

Okay

...right on the mark.

There's a really important word people always omit from the famous quotation.

Protesting is a time honored tradition in America.

I actually think in this case it did a lot of good. At the bare minimum Trump will have to back off the incitement crap.

His people will show up to disrupt our candidates rallies.

That's all I see coming out of this.

that the protestors ought to be sent out on a stretcher?

Word is that there were only a handful of police inside the stadium, they were all outside handling the protesters.

I expect there to be "free speech zones" and people who protest near the venue will be escorted to those zones (or arrested for disobeying a lawful order or whatever). I expect more security inside the venue.

But he'll say "I disagree with that one supporter punching that protester." (We still haven't heard him say anything about it.) And "disavow" all such behavior.

As far as Trump supporters going to other candidates rallies? I would be utterly stunned if that happens given the political makeup and demographics of his crowd. They are going to play the victims big time.

I can see the reverse happening: Trump doubling down on his rhetoric, and the crowds cheering when he will say his voice cannot be shut down by violent goons. Or something to that effect.

You cannot have a venue of 10k people with a chunk of those people pissed off. People would die. Trump is very likely being told to drop the incitement crap. I would be stunned if he continued it because it can go south very quickly.

His pivot will be "Look, we're good people, all my supporters are good people. What happened the other day was pathetic. I know you all will do the right thing, but my people keep telling me I have to say it, so I'm saying it. I want you guys to just keep being good people and not being like those violent, ugly, nasty thugs, and just keep on being good to one another. So I don't want anyone being bad like those "protesters," I want you to keep being great!"

You don't see violence at his rallies, Cruz's rallies, Sanders rallies, or Clinton's rallies, only at Trump's rallies. It is Trump's fault for inciting this type of reaction.


If people opposing Trump are being beaten at his rallies, this will be the reaction. It is the duty of all good people to stand of to evil in this world and we saw that on display tonight.

I was impressed that he included Sanders and Clinton in his list. Very un republican of him. Not that I like him now, lol. Just was glad he said it.

It pains me to say but him and Cruz both sounded presidential, for once, in their reactions. I feel like most republicans like them walk around in a haze all day everyday but even they see that Trump is very dangerous. I am really starting to think, once the general election starts, we are going to have some very unlikely allies from the republican party on our side that want to help us take down Trump. It won't last forever, much like the alliance between the U.S/England with the Soviet Union in WWII against the Axis powers but I believe many of us will be saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" come the fall.

They find Trump dangerous, but not for the reasons you believe.

Did you hear what Rubio said?

He said that the problem with Trump is "He says out loud what a lot of people are thinking. And you can't just do that in politics."

It was a very close statement to what I am quoting from memory - so that's not an exact quote.

But Rubio's point is that Trump gives away the game. You see, yes of course we don't like Mexicans, blacks, Muslims, etc., but we aren't supposed to SAY those things out loud. In order to be politically viable, you have to just wink and nod, not come right out and say it.

mess with protesters and that's not legal or right.

Its not just about "will we win this news cycle", its about standing up for what is right. Protesters are being beaten at Trump rallies while this guy, who says he wants to be the president, eggs them on. I don't care if the spineless media says the anti-Trump forces in this country won or lost tonight, the city of Chicago, my home town, stood up and said we are not going to deal with Trump's fascist bullshit. My city and my alma mater made me proud tonight. As they say, the kids are alright

They WILL deem it as a call for payback.

I guess they cannot bring guns in these open or CC states. But they can hang out and start firing next time they don't like the look of a protester.

free speech works both ways for cripes sake...it does the left no good to act like storm troopers shutting down free speech. We should have more faith in Americans to not vote for this guy, instead of preventing them in hearing why.

If you or I are breaking a law with our speech, eg shouting 'fire' in a crowded theater or inciting violence, we should be arrested and charged. Otherwise, we have the right to speak and the right to protest, but not prevent, the other's speech.

Ask these white Klansmen wannabes if they want to find a middle ground.