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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 01:14 PM Jun 2012

If you are an adult citizen who is affected by government

If you are an adult citizen who is affected by government you get to vote.

Period.

I don't care if you are homeless, illiterate, mentally ill, disabled, non-english speaking... there is nothing short of being comatose that can sensibly limit a universal adult franchise.

We do not get to vote because we will make good decisions. We get to vote because we will make our decisions... autonomous decisions. The outcome of elections affects us.

(People in prison are affected by government more than anyone and of course should vote from within prison.)

To exclude anyone affected by a decision from the decision-making process is to make them a ward of the state... to infantalize them.

This general idea goes back to "taxation without representation," but taxation is only the tip of the iceberg of how government affects us.

People with skin in the game get a say, no matter what. And everyone has skin in the game.

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If you are an adult citizen who is affected by government (Original Post) cthulu2016 Jun 2012 OP
Agree! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2012 #1
Agree. The vote should be mandatory also. southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #4
I disagree cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #6
okay, so MrYikes Jun 2012 #7
MrYikes that isn't a bad idea. Might work. We got to try something because what we have now isn't southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #10
How about non-coercive encouragement? cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #13
You get a country like we have now that isn't working very well. We need to cut southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #8
What would be the penalty for noncompliance? The2ndWheel Jun 2012 #9
LOL, I know I know how about death? HUH? Na just kidding. What do you think? southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #11
I don't think it should be mandatory The2ndWheel Jun 2012 #12
Well what are we worried about anyway you can't get people to vote when they can. But southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #14
K&R Solly Mack Jun 2012 #2
Yes! limpyhobbler Jun 2012 #3
I agree. The opposite of that is the 'poor people will vote to get something for nothing' mantra of freshwest Jun 2012 #5

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
6. I disagree
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 01:27 PM
Jun 2012

A mandatory vote would have a wonderful effect on electoral results in American politics, but as a civil liberties guy I can't buy it. A right is not a right without the right to not participate.

The right to free speech includes the right to say nothing.

Freedom of religion includes the right to have no religion.

Etc.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
10. MrYikes that isn't a bad idea. Might work. We got to try something because what we have now isn't
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 01:50 PM
Jun 2012

working.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
13. How about non-coercive encouragement?
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 02:23 PM
Jun 2012

For instance, paid leave to vote (but if you don't turn in your voting receipt your employer is required to pay.

Distribution of absentee ballots to everyone (with a unique national voter ID #)

I dunno... if voting was not a partisan issue and the government really wanted people to vote there have to be non-coercive ways to expand the practical franchise

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
8. You get a country like we have now that isn't working very well. We need to cut
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 01:45 PM
Jun 2012

advertising down to 3 months and have maybe 4 or 5 debates then people need to vote. We could take the money out of alot of this shit that is going on now. Mandatory makes people part of this country.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
14. Well what are we worried about anyway you can't get people to vote when they can. But
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 03:24 PM
Jun 2012

I will tell you am getting tired of voting for politicans when they are owned by corporations. Mandatory could change that vote.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
5. I agree. The opposite of that is the 'poor people will vote to get something for nothing' mantra of
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 01:25 PM
Jun 2012

The right wing punditry. Your solution sounds just, and I guess the argument will be whether they are willing to give up their promotion of social class and embrace the equality of rights. They wave around some rights and not others, but nothing that makes a level playing field.

The regressives have always divide us into groups, pushing those that they deem less worthy out of having a say. Because they believe those people really don't have anything worthwhile to say, only 'their words, their class, their_____' should have the privilege.

There is a distinction between rights and privileges because progressives believe in rights, regressives believe it is all a matter of privilege, which they can revoke at any time. Rights are more solid and cannot be revoked. Excellent OP.

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