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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJuan Cole: Henry Kissinger is Wrong about Libya. Things are surprisingly normal in Libya.
There is a kind of black legend about Libya, that it has become a failed state and is a mess, that there are armed militiamen everywhere, that everybody is a secessionist, that the transitional government is not doing anything, that people of subsaharan African heritage are bothered in the streets, etc., etc. The black legend is promoted in part by remnants of the Qaddafi regime and his admirers in the West, in part by overly anxious middle class Libyans navigating an admittedly difficult transition, in part by media editors looking for a dramatic story.So imagine my surprise on visits to Benghazi, Misrata and Tripoli, to find that there were no militiamen to be seen, that most things were functioning normally, that there were police at traffic intersections, that there were childrens carnivals open till late, families out, that jewelry shops were open till 8 pm, that Arabs and Africans were working side by side, and that people were proud in Benghazi of having demonstrated against calls for decentralizing the country.
I went to Libya expecting to find people nervous about going out, expecting to find a lot of shops shuttered, and expecting to be stopped at militia checkpoints (which was common in Beirut in the late 1970s when I lived there in the first years of the Civil War). Maybe such things exist in smaller provincial cities that I didnt visit, like Gadames in the South. I dont know. In the urban north, I found a society actively reconstructing itself where people clearly were going about their ordinary lives, where stores were open and people were sitting in sidewalk cafes, where there were no militiamen on the streets, no checkpoints, and where there were actually traffic cops directing traffic.
But I was struck at the air of normality everywhere I went, and by the obvious comfort people had in circulating, selling and going about their lives. There are no bombings, there is no civil war, there is no serious secessionism. One man told me that the biggest change is that people are no longer afraid. They had been captive of the revolutionary committees and the secret police. And that end of political fear, the Libyans I talked to insisted, made the uncertainties of this transitional period all worthwhile.
http://www.juancole.com/2012/06/despite-airport-incident-henry-kissinger-is-wrong-about-libya.html
Nice to hear from someone who has actually been to several cities in Libya recently that the country is recovering from the trauma of fear and the revolution it took to overthrow it.
tabatha
(18,795 posts)My sources that I prefer to read are from Libyans themselves, and the majority of the population is very upbeat.
People have to remember that one should never smear all of a group by the few that make the news.
Baitball Blogger
(46,768 posts)How old is he now? 92?
crunch60
(1,412 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)"Is Libya Cracking Up?" by Nicholas Pelham.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/jun/21/libya-cracking/
He talks about bloody ethnic strife between Arabs and Africans in the south, hundreds of dead...
He talks about bloody ethnic strife between Arabs and Berbers near the Tunisian border...
He talks about thousands of prisoners being held by militias...
He talks about a criminal justice system that doesn't exist except for the rough justice of the militias....
He talks about a curiously passive NTC...
He talks about a dusty, dispirited Benghazi where the early leaders have gone after the money and power in Tripoli...
He talks about the militias still being present, though keeping a lower profile...
An interesting, if lengthy, read.
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)by Qaddafi lovers, too.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)More militia on militia conflict. A militia from a pro-Gaddafi town had its leader arrested in Tripoli. The militia then seized the airpot to demonstrate its displeasure. But now some sort of deal has been struck.
From the article:
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Tarhouna in central Libya was widely seen as a favorite of deposed ruler Moammar Gadhafi. Its dominant tribe, also called Tarhouna, held many positions in the Libyan military under Gadhafi. The city's residents are viewed with suspicion by former rebels.
Tribal rivalries have swept Libya since Gadhafi was overthrown last year. Much of the fighting has pitted militias that fought Gadhafi against those who remained loyal to his regime.
The Tarhouna group has been engaged in sporadic clashes with other militias from cities like Misrata and Tripoli. Al-Habishi was arrested in Tripoli, according to el-Gharyani, but circumstances of his arrest were not immediately clear.
The attack on the airport came just two weeks before the date of the country's first general elections since 1969, when Gadhafi took over power in a military coup. On June 19, Libyans are scheduled to elect 200-member assembly to oversee writing a new constitution and form a government.
Election commission and government officials have recently given contradictory statements about the possibility that elections might be delayed, given the fragile security situation in Tripoli and many other cities.
Also, there have been calls to boycott the election in the eastern part of the country, where the uprising against Gadhafi started. Many easterners are demanding more representation in the assembly.
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Oh, and now the elections might be delayed?
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Libya still ruled by the gun...
Six months after the death of Col Muammar Gaddafi, we were on the edge of a Libyan battlefield. Around us were armed men, tanks, bombed-out vehicles. The sound of gunfire was constant as artillery rounds and bullets whistled over our heads. This skirmish was not significant enough to be reported in the British press. But the dead were piling up: the militia we were with had lost 12 men with more than 100 wounded.
The battle was between two northern towns, Zuwara and Rigdalen. The population of neither can be more than 20,000. Yet, with both places teeming with arms, no functioning court system and a pathetically weak central government, even the smallest dispute can escalate into warfare.
The militias of both towns informed us that the other side were 'Gaddafi loyalists holding out against the revolution. This was an almost meaningless refrain that we were to hear many times. It was clear that other tensions were at work. Zuwara is a largely Berber town, while Rigdalen is Arab, and tensions go back centuries. There were disputes over land. The conflict, we were later told by a Western diplomat, may have been sparked by a battle for control of the local smuggling rackets.
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Though Gaddafi is dead, Libya is far from at peace. It is controlled by an intricate network of armed militias, some opportunistic or purely criminal but most representing powerful regions or tribes. The weakness of central government means they can and do operate with impunity.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/9265441/Libya-still-ruled-by-the-gun.html
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)I used to be a devotee of Juan Cole's, too. He's gone around the bend on Libya as far as I can tell.
Igel
(35,362 posts)Confirmation bias.
The need to be right.