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kpete

(72,028 posts)
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 05:28 PM Mar 2016

President Obama: “It is literally in my DNA to be suspicious of tribalism”

The Two Stories of America on Display in This Election

From Jeffrey Goldberg's interview with President Obama, I've already written about how he isn't enamored with "free riders" and how his foreign policy is a challenge to the Washington playbook. The president also talked about how tribalism is the root of the problem in the Middle East right now.

One of the most destructive forces in the Middle East, Obama believes, is tribalism—a force no president can neutralize. Tribalism, made manifest in the reversion to sect, creed, clan, and village by the desperate citizens of failing states, is the source of much of the Muslim Middle East’s problems, and it is another source of his fatalism. Obama has deep respect for the destructive resilience of tribalism—part of his memoir, Dreams From My Father, concerns the way in which tribalism in post-colonial Kenya helped ruin his father’s life—which goes some distance in explaining why he is so fastidious about avoiding entanglements in tribal conflicts.

“It is literally in my DNA to be suspicious of tribalism,” he told me. “I understand the tribal impulse, and acknowledge the power of tribal division. I’ve been navigating tribal divisions my whole life. In the end, it’s the source of a lot of destructive acts.”


Tribalism isn't merely a phenomenon in the Middle East. It is also obviously animating the "white nostalgia" of Trump's supporters.
We've seen similar reactions in Europe. So it's interesting to contemplate what is driving all this.

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"Every election is a competition between two stories about America." Right now, one of those stories is about tribalism - the need to "take our country back" to a mythological day when a lot of white people assume that things were better. That story rests on demonizing, expelling and/or punishing those who are blamed for the changes that we don't like.


MORE:
http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-two-stories-of-america-on-display.html?spref=tw
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President Obama: “It is literally in my DNA to be suspicious of tribalism” (Original Post) kpete Mar 2016 OP
He's stuck with a racial definition of tribalism. Igel Mar 2016 #1
Not only different religions nichomachus Mar 2016 #3
Obama and I aren't stuck in anything. Our minds range. :) Hortensis Mar 2016 #4
When he says he's been navigating this his whole life, he knows the complexity. Hawai'i... Hekate Mar 2016 #8
"now vote for our side or the OTHER GUY might get in!" MisterP Mar 2016 #2
I think he is talking more about bigotry bhikkhu Mar 2016 #5
Not one of the GOP candidates is capable of this level of thought maxsolomon Mar 2016 #6
For some reason I'm skeptical. KentuckyWoman Mar 2016 #7

Igel

(35,374 posts)
1. He's stuck with a racial definition of tribalism.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 05:50 PM
Mar 2016

But the Hutus and Tutsis were of the same race, by that token. Different tribes =/= different races.

Don't even need different languages. The Hutus and Tutsis speak the same language.

Same in Iraq. Different religions is sufficient.

Different ancestries.

Different socio-economic classes.

Even political parties become a source of tribalism if you let them.

Tribalism = boundaries. We do our serious fighting across boundaries, not so much within them. Thing is, the boundaries we set up are always righteous and just; their boundaries are always evil and foul. But as soon as you see "us" and "them" like that, there's a boundary and there's tribalism, with all the dehumanization, hate, contempt, loathing, and self-righteous justification that goes along with it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. Obama and I aren't stuck in anything. Our minds range. :)
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 06:39 PM
Mar 2016

Seriously, of course ANY group can be a tribe. The people who work in the front of the office versus the people who work in the back. People who are assigned to a special project versus those who are not. Those who adopt a current clothing style versus those who adopt a different current clothing style.

When Obama said, "“It is literally in my DNA to be suspicious of tribalism," I can promise he meant just that, no special interpretation needed. To join a group and then join in group-think, especially about targets outside the group -- because that is what people who belong in that group do, is not in his DNA.

Hekate

(90,867 posts)
8. When he says he's been navigating this his whole life, he knows the complexity. Hawai'i...
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:33 PM
Mar 2016

...is not just multiracial, but multicultural, and even though there's been a couple of centuries of intermarriage, continuous waves of immigration ensure that whole groups still cling to ancestral identities in the present. I just reconnected with a classmate who told me of the intense pressure his mother put him under in high school to date and marry a "pure Chinese girl." My own experience was that racial/ethnic identity was really malleable, though, for a lot of people.

Obama spent part of his formative years in Indonesia, where again there are layers of cultural complexity built in. Then back to Hawai'i for the rest of his childhood before relocating to the Mainland permanently.

I don't know about the POTUS, but only on the Mainland have I encountered such black/white thinking about race, and by that I mean the either/or, though you can take the pun if you want to.

bhikkhu

(10,725 posts)
5. I think he is talking more about bigotry
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 06:43 PM
Mar 2016

From Merriam Webster:

"Simple Definition of bigot

: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)"

...but even using the word "bigotry" is considered derisive and inflamatory (especially to bigots), where "tribalism" has a pleasant academic sound to it.

maxsolomon

(33,432 posts)
6. Not one of the GOP candidates is capable of this level of thought
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 07:20 PM
Mar 2016

Or even understanding it. We're going to miss him.

KentuckyWoman

(6,697 posts)
7. For some reason I'm skeptical.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:03 PM
Mar 2016

I'm not really doubting you or your source... " It is LITERALLY in my DNA....." just seems like an odd thing to come out of President Barack Obama's mouth. His children maybe.....

But overall it sounds like an Obama ideal. Working together and not buying into fighting each other.

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