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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums''I知 not so sure Flint is the community we want to go out on a limb for.'' -- Debbie Baltazar, EPA
Panel issues emails showing EPA reluctance to confront state
Tiffany Stecker, E&E reporter
E&E Daily: Wednesday, March 16, 2016
EXCERPT...
"I'll bet that the State will take this personally since they are responsible for the City of Flint's actions; which isn't a bad thing, but they may get VERY defensive," wrote Jennifer Crooks, Michigan program manager in Region 5's groundwater and drinking water division, in a July 9 email. "We need to move forward and work with the State as our partner ... I don't see the benefit in rubbing their nose in the fact that we're right, and they're wrong."
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"I'm not so sure Flint is the community we want to go out on a limb for. At least without a better understanding of where all that money went," wrote Debbie Baltazar, chief of state and tribal programs for Region 5, in a Sept. 24, 2015, email.
Money.
-- http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060034077
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)As I read the statements by Debbie Baltazar in this article, I believe my flesh crawled. I can't believe these people were more interested in money than human life. Sad, sad commentary. We really need to become interested in government in this country and start policing situations like this as citizens. How can this happen in a nation as wealthy as the U.S. Something has got to be done about this. This situation needs to be made the example as to why State and Local governments do not do this to communities within their jurisdiction. Heads need to roll.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)For instance, GOP Rick Snyder hired the guy who he was SUPPOSED to face in the 2010 election DEM Andy Dillon to serve as Michigan Treasurer.
Memos Snyder released in January show Dillon was the official who made the call to OK the switch to Flint River water. Dillon said he thought Flint wouldn't be using the water to drink.
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2016/01/former_michigan_state_treasure.html
Important for DUers and Democrats to know:
After failing to win the Democratic nomination to oppose Snyder in the gubernatorial campaign of 2010, he failed to support the Democratic nominee, Lansing Mayor Virg Bernero. So, Dillon was invited to serve as State Treasurer.
Ex-rival Andy Dillon slights Virg Bernero
Mich. Democrat leaders: Party is unified
by Chris Christoff
Detroit Free Press,August 7, 2010
House Speaker Andy Dillon was drubbed in the Democratic gubernatorial primary by television ads that portrayed him as a greedy Wall Street raider who opposes a woman's right to choose abortion.
Then he was drubbed by rival Lansing Mayor Virg Bernero in Tuesday's election.
Friday, a visibly relieved Dillon smiled and said he was ready to work for Democrats in the fall campaign.
But he caused a buzz by not endorsing Bernero in front of about 200 Democrats assembled in downtown Detroit for a post-election unity breakfast.
"I want to make certain some of the things I was fighting for are going to be embraced," he told reporters afterward. "Then we'll get there. We don't have to decide that today."
He added, "It's not a slap. We just got done with a campaign. I'm going to take a vacation. We'll sort it out when I come back."
It was another enigmatic move from a politician who has become an iconoclast to some fellow Democrats, scorned by some union leaders as too cozy with business and too frosty with organized labor, and criticized as a legislative leader.
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http://archive.freep.com/article/20100807/NEWS15/8070314/Ex-rival-Andy-Dillon-slights-Virg-Bernero
From his "service" in Michigan's congreff, he would go on to become Flint's designated water decider, proving when it comes to the Almighty Dollar, the worship is Buy Partisan.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)with links to information that verifies what you are discussing. Thank you for the detail, and for connecting the dots. Yes, GREED has taken control of Government Again, we are officially back in the Gilded Age. This is so sad. Thank you for posting Octafish, I gain so much from your wisdom.
Baitball Blogger
(46,753 posts)The question is, has anyone really looked into the way our political Machiavelli world has affected agencies that are seriously charged with protecting the Public safety, health and welfare? We all know that local and State and sometimes Federal government only plays lip service to these responsibilities, but small government hatchet jobs have steadily worked on eliminating high-minded civil servants. Can this Debbie Baltazar be the product of this process?
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)I also believe the hatchet job on government you have talked about, the revolving door that continues to send the same people out to corporations and then back into government on both sides of the aisle plays a role. It is time we as citizens begin demanding closure of the revolving door and the pay to play politics that have become government in this nation since Glass Steagall repeal and Citizens United enactment.
Baitball Blogger
(46,753 posts)I met someone who said he retired from the EPA. I made the mistake of saying, "Oh, you're one of the good guys." But then, he proceeds to tell me how the EPA made him monitor the radiation that was hitting the U.S. mainland from the Fukushima nuclear disaster. He said he didn't know why they were spending money on this exercise because the radiation is insignificant.
I'm thinking to myself, if the EPA won't monitor these levels to confirm they're insignificant, then what is the option? Wait until it becomes a crisis?
And, I know this guy is a good guy. But I think that because of Republican small government pressure even the most high-minded civil servant is going to learn how to talk the talk they want to hear.
raging moderate
(4,307 posts)Debbie Baltazar: Loyalty is a two-way street!
If you won't go out on a limb for citizen of Flint, then why should they ever go out on a limb for you?
And why should their money expenditures be more closely scrutinized than those of other cities in Michigan, or the US?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The EPAs Silent, Guilty Role in the Flint Water Crisis
Michigan's governor has borne the brunt of the blame, but there's plenty to go around.
BY REBECCA LEBER
The New Republic, January 22, 2016
Michigan Governor Rick Snyder in recent weeks has come under intense pressure over the water crisis in Flint, Michigan, which was precipitated two years ago when his administration, in an effort to cut costs, changed the citys water supply from Lake Huron to the Flint River. The move led to a dangerous increase in lead in the water supply; just 5 parts per billion is cause for concern, especially for children, but Flints tap water has had five times that amount. And yet, officials insisted until late last fall that the water was safe for its 100,000 residents to drink.
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It was only once Flint became a national story, and Snyder and President Barack Obama declared a state of emergency, that the EPA admitted its initial response was too slow. Residents and the American Civil LIberties Union were still petitioning the EPA to act in October, long after the agency first became aware of potential problems.
In April 2014, Flints residents, the majority of whom are black, were assured by the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ) that the quality of the water being put out meets all of our drinking water standards and Flint water is safe to drink. The EPA didnt know something was amiss until February 2015. Miguel Del Toral, a water expert with the EPA Region 5 office, noted in February that Flints water wasnt being treated for lead since the switch to Flint River and that state tests were understating the problems, according to documents obtained by the ACLU.
Del Toral raised two main concerns: The water wasnt being treated properly and the testing showing the water was safe was inaccurate. Im worried that the whole town may have much higher lead levels than the compliance results indicated, Del Toral warned in an April memo to DEQ, which was summarized in the email batch released Wednesday.
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https://newrepublic.com/article/128156/epas-silent-guilty-role-flint-water-crisis
Michigan's governor reports to the DeVos and Koch fortunes.
xocet
(3,871 posts)I did not get a chance yet to see the hearing on C-SPAN.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Then see if she's willing to go out on a limb.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)Not as a public offical.
Call her to the hearing and ask her "Which communities are you willing to go out on a limb for?"
ProfessorGAC
(65,134 posts)This statement was made after the revelation of lead in the drinking water came to light.
I heard and read that the EPA was not informed of the decision to change the water source until after the change had been made.
I am VERY reluctant to go on an anti-EPA rant here, because it seems like a set up from the anti-EPA types.
Looking for a way to duck the blame, so they cherry pick some information about their pet target, the EPA.
phantom power
(25,966 posts)It's the facet where "those damn gubmint employees fucked up again."
Instead of using this as a teachable moment about why everything the GOP has said about "running govt like a business" is utterly wrong, the only thing Americans are going to hear out of this is "the EPA fucked up" which is another way of saying "The GOP is right, government is the problem."
So, thanks for that Debbie, heckuva job.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Emails Indicate Flint Lead Tests Withheld from Public at Snyder's Command
'If there was any question as to whether the Snyder administration was more concerned about their public image or public health, this should provide a definitive answer.'
by Andrea Germanos, staff writer
Common Dreams, Feb. 11, 2016
Adding to controversy over what top officials knew and when regarding Flint's water crisis and resulting health epidemic, emails obtained by the Flint Journal suggest that Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder told state officials to suppress lead testing results, both from local health officials and the community, while they figured out how to present the information to the public.
The emails, which are from October and November 2015 and were obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, include correspondence by Jim Henry, Genesee County's environmental health supervisor, to county Health Officer Mark Valacak, and correspondence between Henry and Michigan Department of Environmental Quality (MDEQ) Laboratory Director George Krisztian.
They "show growing frustration on the county's part as it attempted to obtain information from the DEQ," the Journal reports.
Testing on buildings within the Flint School District began on Oct. 2, and Snyder gave a press conference Oct. 8 admitting that lead levels exceeded federal limits. At one school, Freeman Elementary School, levels were six times higher than federal limits.
SNIP...
"Damage from lead poisoning is irreversible," (Lonnie) Scott added. "Delaying the decision to alert the community to high levels of lead in their water for even a day is too long. The decision to delay the release of critical lead test information is a decision that children and families in Flint will have to live with for the rest of their lives."
SOURCE: http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/02/11/emails-indicate-flint-lead-tests-withheld-public-snyders-command
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)this is ridiculous, but let us not forget about the officials that created the situation - they can't hide behind this either.. they are ALL culpable.. every last one of them..
How can people vote such incompetents into office..
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)Make sure they do...it is beginning to look as though their influence, not to mention Citizens United and the money that can block decent candidates, and let us not forget the two party system that makes it soooo easy to control elections and government. This is what Fascism looks like, and if we don't stop it soon, I shudder to think of what will become of this nation.
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randome
(34,845 posts)If the EPA comes down too hard on apportioning blame -and Snyder manages to wriggle free somehow- then the EPA will have lost face and still be deemed as an adversary. But if they go about their jobs, the truth will be evident that the EPA helped people out. It's politics, nothing more.
Absent a smoking gun, there is nothing to be gained by doing anything other than their jobs. And let Michigan reach its own conclusion as to whether or not Snyder did his.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font][hr]
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Left up to those who don't give a damn, nothing will get done.
An honor system with no honor
By Chad Selweski
Center for Public Integrity, November 9, 2015 Updated: November 12, 2015
Overall Michigan ranks 50th out of 50 states.
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/11/09/18427/michigan-gets-f-grade-2015-state-integrity-investigation
Smoking gun, right.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)like to have seen a the complete email.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Iggo
(47,563 posts)The people of Flint aren't worth it.
JEB
(4,748 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,835 posts)Michael Moore Would strongly disagree.
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Hydra
(14,459 posts)"At every stage of this process, it seems that we spend more time trying to maintain State/local relationships than we do trying to protect the children," he wrote. "You don't have to drop a bowling ball off of every building in every city to prove that gravity (and science) will work the same way everywhere. It's basic chemistry."
The emails also show a reluctance from EPA to use the Drinking Water State Revolving Fund -- money that the federal agency gives states to loan to communities for water infrastructure repairs -- for water filters. Officials worried that the money would be misspent in a cash-strapped city like Flint, where for years water rate revenues funded other public works projects.
There's no money to work on infrastructure, because we're giving it to the 1%. Then something horrible happens, and nobody wants to deal with it or spend the more money to repair it. So people die horribly while politicians make political hay over it or try to make sure it isn't their fault somehow.
I think it's safe to say we've graduated into a type of society that has no foundation.