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book_worm

(15,951 posts) Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:30 AM Mar 2016

If true the Republican Convention could be a blood bath

and if they try to stop Trump this way it will not be pretty:

NBC News: “After all the campaigning, debates and primaries, the GOP’s presidential nomination could hinge on what these insiders decide. The RNC Rules Committee decides party regulations and writes the first draft of convention rules, which are finalized by a convention rules committee and submitted to a floor vote.”

“Those rules are crucial. They decide which candidates are on the ballot: They could pass a rule allowing only Donald Trump to run in Cleveland, or a rule enabling new candidates to challenge him. They can decide how delegates vote — and when delegates can switch teams to support rival candidates. These are the kind of restrictions that could make the difference between a coronation or chaos in Cleveland.”

https://politicalwire.com/2016/03/18/rnc-rules-committee-holds-the-power/

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If true the Republican Convention could be a blood bath (Original Post) book_worm Mar 2016 OP

I don't see this process ending with a good outcome for Republicans. A fractured Republican party PoliticAverse Mar 2016 #1

I heard about this on msnbc yesterday KatyMan Mar 2016 #2

The delegates have to approve the rule changes in a floor vote. yellowcanine Mar 2016 #7

It'll be fun to watch sharp_stick Mar 2016 #3

You left a crucial Micheal Bay element out... dorkzilla Mar 2016 #13

Well we've seen their tactics against Obama - TBF Mar 2016 #4

They are in prayer mode right now exboyfil Mar 2016 #5

If Trump has a plurality going in and doesn't get the nomination he will lead a revolt. yellowcanine Mar 2016 #10

lindsey graham is now endorsing cruz....i predict the republican party will endorse trump.... spanone Mar 2016 #6

I think they are going to take their one cycle beating exboyfil Mar 2016 #8

we'll see....republicans really have no principles to stand on. will be interesting. spanone Mar 2016 #9

According to Curley Haugland (ND) it's the party officials who choose the snappyturtle Mar 2016 #11

It is good to have all this arcane and undemocratic machinery exposed to the light of day. nt bemildred Mar 2016 #12

+1000 It's time the curtain was pulled back (on both parties) to let voters see who...... LongTomH Mar 2016 #14

The whole thing is going to be a shitshow. Heeeeers Johnny Mar 2016 #15

if they steal the nom from him, Trump is going to run on his own 0rganism Mar 2016 #16

Are gunz allowed in the convention hall? moondust Mar 2016 #17

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)

1. I don't see this process ending with a good outcome for Republicans. A fractured Republican party

Reply to book_worm (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:34 AM

Mar 2016

seems inevitable at this point.

KatyMan

(4,206 posts)

2. I heard about this on msnbc yesterday

Reply to book_worm (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:37 AM

Mar 2016

and was shocked that the rules can be changed willy-nilly by a group of 50 or so republicans. I think Cleveland is going to be seriously ugly. If i lived there, I'd be leaving town during the convention.

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)

7. The delegates have to approve the rule changes in a floor vote.

Reply to KatyMan (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:05 AM

Mar 2016

This is actually standard for both Republican and Democratic Conventions. Each Convention has to approve rules for that Convention. The way delegates vote does not depend on which candidate they are pledged to - candidates can try to get their delegates to vote a certain way on the rules but they cannot force them to. In fact it would not be surprising at all if some of the Trump delegates vote against him on the rules because they don't actually want him to win on the first ballot, knowing that they will be released from their obligation to vote for Trump after the first ballot. Yes it is going to get ugly.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)

3. It'll be fun to watch

Reply to book_worm (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:44 AM

Mar 2016

Kind of like a Michael Bay film. Lots of blood, horrible actors, terrible dialog and a staggering body count.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)

13. You left a crucial Micheal Bay element out...

Reply to sharp_stick (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:50 AM

Mar 2016

No Bay film could be a Bay film without the all-important "treating the crew/plebs like absolute shit".

TBF

(32,084 posts)

4. Well we've seen their tactics against Obama -

Reply to book_worm (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:49 AM

Mar 2016

I have no doubt the republicans will run someone other than Trump. When have they ever cared what the rules say? They are fascists. They will adjust the rules to fit their needs. By the time convention is over Trump will be riding in the cage on top of Romney's car.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)

5. They are in prayer mode right now

Reply to TBF (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:56 AM

Mar 2016

that Trump does not get a first ballot majority. I think the smart play for them would be to nominate Cruz in that case (assuming he is within 100-200 delegates of Trump) especially if he takes Kasich (or less likely Rubio) as his running mate. The combined total of both could be more than Trump so a case could be made for such a fusion.

They go to the bench warmers (Romney and Ryan) and it is going to get ugly. Not only will Trump supporters freak, but also the Cruz supporters.

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)

10. If Trump has a plurality going in and doesn't get the nomination he will lead a revolt.

Reply to exboyfil (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:08 AM

Mar 2016

Trump only plays by the rules when they work for him. If they don't work for him he doesn't.
I think it could very well come down to a Cruz/Kasich ticket, with Trump peeling off and mounting an independent run.

spanone

(135,857 posts)

6. lindsey graham is now endorsing cruz....i predict the republican party will endorse trump....

Reply to book_worm (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:59 AM

Mar 2016

they will bend and break their own rules if need be...they want a win

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)

8. I think they are going to take their one cycle beating

Reply to spanone (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:05 AM

Mar 2016

with Cruz in this election. If Trump was not in it I almost think Cruz would be winning the primary running away. The Republicans are going to have to deal with him the next 3-4 cycles otherwise. A loss usually puts someone out of consideration (of course you do have Nixon in 68).

spanone

(135,857 posts)

9. we'll see....republicans really have no principles to stand on. will be interesting.

Reply to exboyfil (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:06 AM

Mar 2016

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)

11. According to Curley Haugland (ND) it's the party officials who choose the

Reply to book_worm (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:34 AM

Mar 2016

candidate:

To be honest, I don't like what our party does with super delegates. Whether it's Republican bouncing rules or super delegates and DWS...I think they both stink in that regard. imho

bemildred

(90,061 posts)

12. It is good to have all this arcane and undemocratic machinery exposed to the light of day. nt

Reply to book_worm (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:37 AM

Mar 2016

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)

14. +1000 It's time the curtain was pulled back (on both parties) to let voters see who......

Reply to bemildred (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:02 PM

Mar 2016

......is working the machinery!

Heeeeers Johnny

(423 posts)

15. The whole thing is going to be a shitshow.

Reply to book_worm (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:11 PM

Mar 2016

Inside... Repubs battling amongst themselves

Outside... Trump supporters, Sanders supporters, BLM, the police, etc going ape shit.

The networks could air it as a pay per view event and it would rake in millions.

0rganism

(23,962 posts)

16. if they steal the nom from him, Trump is going to run on his own

Reply to book_worm (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:16 PM

Mar 2016

and maybe start his own Trump political party which will totally be more successful than Trump magazine and Trump bottled water.

moondust

(20,002 posts)

17. Are gunz allowed in the convention hall?

Reply to book_worm (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:38 PM

Mar 2016

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