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demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:00 PM Mar 2016

my former student that committed suicide on the 10th can't have a funeral due to lack of funds

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027674497



The family has been contacting all of his former teachers asking for help because they don't have the funds.

They are hoping they can have the funeral on the 25th but they are not sure yet.

This is a disgrace that people can not give their family a proper funeral.

https://www.gofundme.com/83twtps5

The family has put up a link to help raise funds.
https://www.gofundme.com/83twtps5

please share if you are so inclined
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my former student that committed suicide on the 10th can't have a funeral due to lack of funds (Original Post) demtenjeep Mar 2016 OP
if anyone is so inclined demtenjeep Mar 2016 #1
RIP, young one. May the Other Side provide the Guide you lacked on This Side. n/t libdem4life Mar 2016 #2
Oh, no. polly7 Mar 2016 #3
I am glad I could help, my dear demtenjeep... CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2016 #4
you are so awesome demtenjeep Mar 2016 #5
She truly is. lpbk2713 Mar 2016 #9
very much so. Cal Peggy is the most awesome woman I know demtenjeep Mar 2016 #22
you guys are so awesome demtenjeep Mar 2016 #6
Thank you for posting Loki Mar 2016 #12
Okay. I chipped in. My heart is breaking. onecaliberal Mar 2016 #7
this is a message I received from the grandmother demtenjeep Mar 2016 #8
How horrible for his family to be in this situation. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #10
It sucks. I had five students commit suicide during my teaching career and one unsuccessful attempt Hoppy Mar 2016 #11
Money can be saved by ordering a casket over the internet at 30% of the cost of buying it at the Hoppy Mar 2016 #13
thanks. I'm sure the family has looked at all resources demtenjeep Mar 2016 #14
Don't count on the family knowing this. It is not common knowledge. Hoppy Mar 2016 #15
Cremation is also very inexpensive - no casket, no embalming, no useless land to buy REP Mar 2016 #39
The greatest grief Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #16
you all give me hope for the future demtenjeep Mar 2016 #17
i always found making money of someone's grief was just wrong. Feeling the Bern Mar 2016 #18
I know demtenjeep Mar 2016 #19
I rented my husband's casket, went with cremation and had a shortened viewing ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #20
I am so sorry demtenjeep Mar 2016 #23
Heartfelt empathy from me to you all here. I have to ask, Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #27
usually given a pauper's funeral and put in an unmarked grave in a Potter's Field Feeling the Bern Mar 2016 #29
I see. The nature of the funeral service will of great import Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #30
--- depends on the state. In N.J., the state allocates around $2,500 for a grave, casket, burial Hoppy Mar 2016 #32
between the fund me account and the private local donations the family hasn't even gotten 2500 yet demtenjeep Mar 2016 #37
the family has a plot demtenjeep Mar 2016 #46
My mother's cremation was a little over $1,000.00 two years ago REP Mar 2016 #40
definitely a candidate for a socialist solution Enrique Mar 2016 #31
and you never expect to bury a 17 year old perfectly healthy boy demtenjeep Mar 2016 #21
thank you all. Your generosity tonight may help them be able to move the service along demtenjeep Mar 2016 #24
it is my understanding that he hasn't even been embalmed yet demtenjeep Mar 2016 #25
Thanks for posting this. I gave LibDemAlways Mar 2016 #26
This is so sad mnhtnbb Mar 2016 #28
you guys are so great demtenjeep Mar 2016 #33
I just want to say thank you again demtenjeep Mar 2016 #34
He was born 7 days after my son. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #35
thank you so much demtenjeep Mar 2016 #36
Kick! ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #38
...another kick... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #41
How sad liberalfromaustin21 Mar 2016 #42
thank you for keeping this kicked demtenjeep Mar 2016 #43
A suggestion: Edit to put the gofundme link in the main post? Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #44
thank you demtenjeep Mar 2016 #45
one last kick before bed demtenjeep Mar 2016 #47
KICK Maru Kitteh Mar 2016 #48
You and the others are wonderful to help. We spent a bit over a $1,000 for my grandbaby's... Hekate Mar 2016 #49
kick n/t lancer78 Mar 2016 #50
 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
22. very much so. Cal Peggy is the most awesome woman I know
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:05 AM
Mar 2016

Again-thank you so very much from the bottom of my heart

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
8. this is a message I received from the grandmother
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:46 PM
Mar 2016

"What a tremendous help you have been. We have been trying to think of other ways to get donations and have been stuck. We have Kolby's plot covered, but we needed funds to pay for the embalming and ceremony. I can't believe it's so expensive. You have just given me hope in the human race! I thank you with all my heart!! God bless you!"


You guys are all so awesome

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
10. How horrible for his family to be in this situation.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:57 PM
Mar 2016

Being desperate for funds to cover this young man's funeral while still being deep in grief and shock.

And what a country...costs too much to live, costs too much to die.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
11. It sucks. I had five students commit suicide during my teaching career and one unsuccessful attempt
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:04 AM
Mar 2016

that left the kid in hospital for 10 days.

Besides the empathy for the kid(s), there is the question of what I might have missed, said or whatever that might have saved the kid.

I recall one kid --- it was a small class, maybe 12 kids in the class. U.S. History. All the kids except him were in the middle or one side of the room. He sat by himself in the window row, two rows away from the nearest kid. One day, he went home from school and dove onto a butcher knife.

These kids were in a school, upper middle class.

Years later, I was teaching in an urban school. I talked about kids and my experience with kids and suicide. One kid asked where I taught. His response was that suicide was a white kid's problem. We don't commit suicide. Two months later, was the event with the kid that ended in hospital.

I have been retired for 10 years now, but the memories about these kids still come back to me.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
13. Money can be saved by ordering a casket over the internet at 30% of the cost of buying it at the
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:15 AM
Mar 2016

funeral home. You don't have to buy it from the funeral home.

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
14. thanks. I'm sure the family has looked at all resources
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:28 AM
Mar 2016

I have been a teacher for a long time. I have lost several students but this one is especially sad and so unexpected.

REP

(21,691 posts)
39. Cremation is also very inexpensive - no casket, no embalming, no useless land to buy
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:36 AM
Mar 2016

I had my mother cremated when she died extremely unexpectedly nearly two years ago. It was a little over $1,000.00.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
16. The greatest grief
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:37 AM
Mar 2016

is when you can't take care of the last piece of business that life demands.

I sent along a wee bit - hope they find lots of donors to help put Kolby to rest.

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
17. you all give me hope for the future
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:50 AM
Mar 2016

I can't thank you enough and I know the family is grateful beyond belief

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
19. I know
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:57 AM
Mar 2016

when my mom died it cost us almost 10 grand

every little thing from the death notice to the casket and process to the headstone

when you get the list of all the cost it is staggering.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
20. I rented my husband's casket, went with cremation and had a shortened viewing
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:03 AM
Mar 2016

We chose to do the service at the funeral home. It was still $6,500 in 2007.

My heart goes out to this young man's family and to you. It has been almost 9 years, and many days I still can't wrap my head around it. Our son graduates from high school this year, and my life is dedicated to keeping him alive.

Much love to your and yours.

~Laura

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
27. Heartfelt empathy from me to you all here. I have to ask,
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 04:21 AM
Mar 2016

in the interest of open knowledge:

What becomes of the corporal remains of those whose people simply cannot pay these fees to corporations?

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
30. I see. The nature of the funeral service will of great import
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:57 AM
Mar 2016

for many or most.

... And these potters' fields (a term new to me) will be operated by corporations which get paid by charities or the public purse, depending on county?

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
32. --- depends on the state. In N.J., the state allocates around $2,500 for a grave, casket, burial
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:02 AM
Mar 2016

plot and simple marker.


In N.Y.C., there is Potters Field with the same. In prior years, there was no marker.

Potters Field was a difficult situation for survivors. There was little or no access to the island because the work was done by prisoners and it was considered unsafe for visitors to mix with the prisoners. There is now effort to change this and families are allowed in small numbers.

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
37. between the fund me account and the private local donations the family hasn't even gotten 2500 yet
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:48 PM
Mar 2016

I know they do not have any extra. The mother has several kids younger than Kolby. I also taught one of the younger brothers a few years ago.

That family has been through a LOT

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
46. the family has a plot
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:27 PM
Mar 2016

they are trying to raise money for the embalming and process

I just can not imagine

REP

(21,691 posts)
40. My mother's cremation was a little over $1,000.00 two years ago
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:40 AM
Mar 2016

We had all read The American Way of Death, and she made her wishes clear (even though he death was completely unexpected). I had it done through the local Burial and Cremation Society, and did not have any embalming done, as it isn't necessary.

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
24. thank you all. Your generosity tonight may help them be able to move the service along
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:18 AM
Mar 2016

it will be almost 2 weeks since his horrible death before he can have a funeral and burial.

I think if they can reach half of their goal, they can put the "deposit down" and then move forward with the service and worry about the rest

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
25. it is my understanding that he hasn't even been embalmed yet
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:28 AM
Mar 2016

because the money isn't there.

I had no idea that was even legal.

My GOD if I could, I would give them the money for that. That just seems so inhumane

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
26. Thanks for posting this. I gave
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:43 AM
Mar 2016

what I can. I'm a teacher, too. A 7th grader in my school district committed suicide recently sending a shockwave through the school. She was a beautiful girl whose outward appearance masked deep depression. So sad. I hope your student's family finds peace.

mnhtnbb

(31,386 posts)
28. This is so sad
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:16 AM
Mar 2016

and he left this life the day I was celebrating my 65th birthday.

One of my oldest son's friends committed suicide when he was a senior in high school.
It is so sad.

Wish I could do more than make a donation...but at least I can do that.

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
33. you guys are so great
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:22 PM
Mar 2016

to give to a family that you have never met makes my heart sing.

I know there is good in the world and you all have proven it

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
34. I just want to say thank you again
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 04:38 PM
Mar 2016

His grandmother says you all are sent from God. She is so very thankful to the 10 of you that opened your hearts

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
35. He was born 7 days after my son.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 05:50 PM
Mar 2016

...and my son is still my little boy. I can't imagine this family losing their little boy. I will help you keep this kicked. I would love to see DU come together and take care of this.

I hope you are doing okay.

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
36. thank you so much
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:52 PM
Mar 2016

I am doing okay.

I always do better when I can be busy like trying to help the family


I dread going back to school tomorrow and having the crisis team out

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
44. A suggestion: Edit to put the gofundme link in the main post?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:48 PM
Mar 2016

Maybe people can share the link on social media even if they can't donate.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
49. You and the others are wonderful to help. We spent a bit over a $1,000 for my grandbaby's...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:49 AM
Mar 2016

No way could my daughter and her husband have handled this. Not the cost and not the work when they were so devastated. I don't know how anyone can do it all alone.

But here's how we got through: first you realize that upselling funeral services is just what they do. Resist that. Go in knowing you aren't buying a solid walnut coffin with an innerspring mattress inside. If you want a coffin at all and not cremation, realize that you can order one online, even from Costco.

My daughter and her husband chose cremation.... No grave, no headstone. I, personally, would have gone for that kind of memorial for the ashes, but not everyone wants to. Costs for a gravesite depend on availability of space in your area. My FIL bought his own site many many years ago for $300; by the time my MIL passed away it was $3,000 to be buried in the same section. My neighbors chose a lovely place about an hour's drive away for his parents. Graveside services, "opening" the grave, all that adds up.

Renting a space at the church cost something -- use of the sanctuary, the hall, and the kitchen. Deposit for cleaning fees if you didn't clean up after yourself. Honorarium for the minister. Those were our biggest expenses.

Flowers. Food.

Damn I think I'm tearing up.

Everybody says "What can I do to help?" It took me two days to recover enough from the shock to figure out what to say, and then I grabbed the next person who said that and told her, and the next person likewise, and so on. In the immediate aftermath, people want to help. Let them.

I told one friend of my daughter's to use her phone list to ask people to bring trays of simple finger food. I told my friends to stand by to receive the trays and lay them out on the tables. I asked specific people to bring tablecloths. I told my SIL's male friends to pull the heavy tables and chairs from storage at the church and to set them up, then put them away afterward. A crew of his friends took charge of the church kitchen and then left it spotless afterward. My friends didn't so much buy flower arrangements as they did living potted plants to decorate the altar. We had garden flowers on the tables, and they were so beautiful.

All that was free, because people asked to help and wanted to help. Food, flowers, labor before and after. Most of the leftover food went home with the grieving family, so they wouldn't have to cook for awhile.

Blessings to all who mourn, and may they be comforted. I hope these words help someone some day.



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