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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf Trump forms a third party - the republicans lose. Did nader cause the Democrats to lose in 2000
actually, we still won, but was the nader affect enough to allow the republicans to steal the election in the way that they did?
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)With respect to the repubs. If Trump goes third party, Dems will win in a landslide.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Nader garnered a whopping 2.75% of the vote, and in FL it was less than 2.0%, but that was enough to flip the campaign, that and GOP chicanery and just bad luck.
If Trump runs 3rd party he will do much better than that.
Loudestlib
(980 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)The 2000 presidential race included two major party candidatesRepublican George W. Bush and
Democrat Al Goreand two prominent third party candidatesRalph Nader of the Green Party
and Pat Buchanan of the Reform Party. While it is often presumed that Nader spoiled the 2000
election for Gore by siphoning away votes that would have been cast for him in the absence of a
Nader candidacy, we show that this presumption is rather misleading. While Nader voters in 2000
were somewhat pro-Democrat and Buchanan voters correspondingly pro-Republican, both types
of voters were surprisingly close to being partisan centrists. Indeed, we show that at least 40% of
Nader voters in the key state of Florida would have voted for Bush, as opposed to Gore, had they
turned out in a Nader-less election. The other 60% did indeed spoil the 2000 presidential election
for Gore but only because of highly idiosyncratic circumstances, namely, Floridas extreme
closeness. Our results are based on studying over 46 million vote choices cast on approximately
three million ballots from across Florida in 2000. More generally, the results demonstrate how ballot
studies are capable of illuminating aspects of third party presidential voters that are otherwise
beyond scrutiny
http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/polisci/faculty/lewis/pdf/greenreform9.pdf
The salient fact is Gore lost by 537 votes....
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)Bush got people all excited. I really think it was more personalities than politics in that election. I liked what Gore said, I liked his policies, but he would talk and I would fall asleep.
UtahJosh
(131 posts)Seriously?
You're going with that?
Bush, the guy who lost the first time, and barely squeaked by the second (I only say that because he actually won a tiny fraction of the popular vote that time)?
Americans were hardly excited about Bush, ever. Hell, even that horrific attack only gave him a brief few months of support, which he quickly squandered.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)It is silly to even suggest that. Gore ran a terrible campaign and frankly just wasn't a good campaigner. He made a number of mistakes and allowed the republicans to define him in an unfavorable light.
It should have never come down to Florida. Since it did, that allowed the republican's running the state to make a number of moves to help little bush get an advantage. But even given the Nader votes, Gore got the most votes.
Gore made several strategic errors at that point--first HE CONCEDED to bush. That was asinine and it essentially set the table for the disaster that followed. WHAT WAS HE THINKING???? Then he did not demand a statewide recount. That gave a republicans a foothold on which to make an argument in Federal court and a fig leaf for the right wing Supreme Court to kill a recount.
Gore lost the race and Nader is not to blame. Democrats need to face the facts on that.
LostOne4Ever
(9,288 posts)marmar
(77,080 posts)This discredited "theory" needs to die.
phantom power
(25,966 posts)It's sad and unfortunate, but it's true.