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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums“Fuck every cause that ends in murder and children crying.” -- Iain Banks. nt
Mika
(17,751 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)....somewhere hemming and hawing about their own exceptions....
Nitram
(22,800 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)...to what Banks was saying, and the tendency of adults to rationalize their own "necessary" killing.
Nitram
(22,800 posts)It is a gratuitous addition, like a photo of a cute puppy. Children cry during thunderstorms or when they skin their knee.
villager
(26,001 posts)...can certainly suffer through your dropped bombs, after all.
Nitram
(22,800 posts)Why not stop with the murder part? Why muddy the picture with children crying? I can see you are either unable or unwilling to think very deeply about your beliefs if you can hitch them to such a shoddy vehicle.
villager
(26,001 posts)..any second of the century.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,314 posts)with a situation of murder and children crying.
The 'shoddy' Iain Banks was a hugely regarded author. It seems incredibly petty to decide to complain about the end of one of his sentences.
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/jun/09/iain-banks-dies-59-cancer
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/9969758/Iain-Banks-His-ten-best-literary-and-sci-fi-novels.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22835047
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/01/the-future-might-be-a-hoot-how-iain-m-banks-imagines-utopia/267211/
https://literature.britishcouncil.org/writer/iain-banks
villager
(26,001 posts)Thanks for the further illumination, Muriel!
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,314 posts)There was much more wisdom to come from him. At least he knew how much the world appreciated him.
villager
(26,001 posts)...in the wrong baskets.
Nitram
(22,800 posts)OK, I think I get it. We speak a different language.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Oh, what I wouldn't give to live in the Culture!
Solly Mack
(90,765 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)Clinton's special circumstances
beastie boy
(9,338 posts)Neither should you if you want to be fair to Banks.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)for intelligence fails while having them on the run does cause some concern
zzzz anyone else terrrorist by the daesh yawn. this is why Obama goes to Baseball game. He doesn't play the game of terrorism , wouldn't say ignores it but he doesn't play it.
eppur_se_muova
(36,262 posts)SC protects The Culture against existential threats of mind-boggling gravity, for the greater good of all.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,722 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)have a few books (Sci fi / fantasy) books under that one and yes I agree
Initech
(100,069 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)May he RIP.
mythology
(9,527 posts)For example, doing nothing in Rwanda resulted in hundreds of thousands being murdered and countless others being subjected to rape as a weapon of war because it was decided that doing nothing was the best way to avoid a repeat of the Battle of Mogadishu.
How many people died in concentration camps because the Allied forces decided to not bomb the railroad tracks leading to the concentration camps in the name of trying to end the war faster? Thousands died on the beaches of Normandy because it was decided that was the best way to retake Europe. Were the Allied generals right? I have no idea. But the thousands who died on those beaches aren't any less dead. Their families didn't suffer any less grief.
It's easy to say something as simplistic as "fuck any cause that ends in murder and children crying" and mistake it for being profound. But when you have to take that simplistic moral thinking into the real world, you realize that the consequences of a desire for peace, can often lead to disastrous results. Any action (including inaction) leads to outcomes. Some good, some bad. The best you can realistically hope for is that the good outweighs the bad, but we all work with imperfect information and can't accurately predict the results because we can't always know how other actors will respond.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,314 posts)There is a fundamental difference. The 'cause' in Rwanda was the genocide, not the non-intervention. The cause in the concentration camps was, again, genocide. And yesterday's 'cause' was ISIS's desire to create a caliphate through violence (and, arguably, they think they can bring about Armageddon).
villager
(26,001 posts)Nice clarity.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Collateral Damage