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Why are the South States "Red" ? (Original Post) Equinox Moon Mar 2016 OP
Simple answer: Racism PJMcK Mar 2016 #1
Thank you... Equinox Moon Mar 2016 #3
The south has no monopoly on racism. cwydro Mar 2016 #5
Thank you... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #7
I know what you mean. cwydro Mar 2016 #16
Much of the perception is due to southern Republicans Orrex Mar 2016 #21
Note that GR is among the reddest, if not the reddest, cities in Michigan. KamaAina Mar 2016 #17
Of course. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #18
I knew that. KamaAina Mar 2016 #19
I do! ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #23
Agree... CherokeeDem Mar 2016 #9
The OP asked about the South PJMcK Mar 2016 #10
well said. Amazing how Hillarians take words and ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2016 #14
i voted for Bernie in the primary just so you know. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #25
It's amazing how the Bernouts can't stop themselves from preaching Orrex Mar 2016 #26
The "peculiar institution" may hold the answer KamaAina Mar 2016 #24
Poster admits as much. Missn-Hitch Mar 2016 #11
No one said it does ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2016 #27
It isn't simplistic at all. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #28
You are correct. Behind the Aegis Mar 2016 #39
Very good review of the "The Southern Strategy". ladjf Mar 2016 #12
They joined the local baptist church and the NRA, instead. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2016 #15
I think your post highlights an important point. phylny Mar 2016 #41
Look at the racial divide in Chicago, San Francisco and New York Calista241 Mar 2016 #20
So why do YOU think the people in Southern states Mariana Mar 2016 #34
I think mostly it has to do with religion. Calista241 Mar 2016 #37
Not yet, but they will sooner than most think. nt onehandle Mar 2016 #2
Large rural areas. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #4
Maybe Texas is turning Equinox Moon Mar 2016 #6
We (Houston) ARE responsible for voting in the first open lesbian mayor ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #8
Don't forget the 2012 election. More folks voted for Obama in TX, than there are people in CT. Glassunion Mar 2016 #35
Because enough of them are still Confederate sympathizers. phantom power Mar 2016 #13
I few questions. Aren't there enough minorities to out vote jwirr Mar 2016 #43
Racism and religion and also Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #22
This shouldn't offend you if you are a democrat in a red state, but B Calm Mar 2016 #29
When we were the Colonies, that is where the conservatives tended to settle. apnu Mar 2016 #30
who knows how the south actually votes? questionseverything Mar 2016 #31
the early 90s party took two approaches: one was to take a stand, defend their principles, MisterP Mar 2016 #32
Don't forget Guns, God and Gays madville Mar 2016 #33
Fear, ignorance, racism, cultish religiosity, malevolent mischief, gullibility SoCalDem Mar 2016 #36
Clearly, it is religion. Behind the Aegis Mar 2016 #38
Yes. phylny Mar 2016 #42
How long have they been red? hfojvt Mar 2016 #40

PJMcK

(22,054 posts)
1. Simple answer: Racism
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 10:02 AM
Mar 2016

As you probably know, Equinox, when President Johnson signed the 1964 Civil Rights Act into law, he famously observed that the Democrats would lose the South for at least a generation. The institutional and cultural racism of the former Confederate States would push most of those states' voters to the Republican Party. Subsequently, Richard Nixon and his nefarious advisors developed their "Southern Strategy" to exploit the former Dixiecrats. Ever since, the Republicans have taken advantage of this racism.

Over the intervening years, Republicans controlled most of the South's statehouses and legislatures and among their many regressive policies, they diminished the quality of public education. Under-educated voters are easily manipulated and tend to lack critical thinking skills resulting in people who inexplicably vote against their own interests.

I whole-heartedly agree with you: "Is is time for them to flip!"

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
3. Thank you...
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 10:15 AM
Mar 2016

I appreciate your post of historical information.

I have not been as informed of a voter as I am now, and have some catching up to do. I have however always proudly voted and voted Democrat, since I was 18.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
7. Thank you...
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 10:33 AM
Mar 2016

The worst racism I have ever experienced was in Grand Rapids, MI.

My Houston neighborhood is about as diverse as they come, with everyone respecting and even liking each other.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
16. I know what you mean.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:12 PM
Mar 2016

Those of us who live in the south, black and white, have lived together always.

Whenever I see south-bashing on here, I know it's ignorance of the south. Or maybe, just plain ignorance.

We go to school together, we work together, we live next door to each other, we date each other, marry each other, etc, etc., etc.

The Charlotte schools integrated back in the 70's with very little problem. Meanwhile, Bostonians were screaming at school buses full of little black children.

Orrex

(63,228 posts)
21. Much of the perception is due to southern Republicans
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:26 PM
Mar 2016

Especially those who are working so hard to reverse the progress made by the voting rights act. That doesn't mean that the citizens themselves are racist, but the formal policies being pushed at the state (and sometimes national) level come across as more overtly racist than you'll generally see in the north or west.

However...

When the current refugee crisis first really gained steam, the good people of my little western PA community were positively giddy at the chance to prove themselves more racist than any movie-stereotypical southern white sheriff, and they certainly exceeded all expectations in this regard.


Racism does indeed remain a plague that infects us all.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
17. Note that GR is among the reddest, if not the reddest, cities in Michigan.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:15 PM
Mar 2016

So there is a nexus between racism and repukelicanism.

CherokeeDem

(3,709 posts)
9. Agree...
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 10:44 AM
Mar 2016

I'm from South Carolina originally and the worst racism I witnessed was when I moved north of the Mason-Dixon line. Racism has no barriers but those with issues regarding the Southern US always attempt to paint us with the racist brush. To say that racism doesn't exist in the South is naive, to deny racism exist outside of the South is more so.

PJMcK

(22,054 posts)
10. The OP asked about the South
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 10:45 AM
Mar 2016

Respectfully, cwydro, the OP did not ask why the entire United States suffers from social descendent of its "peculiar institution." I responded succinctly as I interpreted the question. Please share your more in-depth thoughts.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
14. well said. Amazing how Hillarians take words and
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:48 AM
Mar 2016

screw with them. Your explanation was terse, accurate, and historically informative.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
25. i voted for Bernie in the primary just so you know.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:30 PM
Mar 2016

Y'all need to cut the crap out. Many of us are merely participating in discussions.

Orrex

(63,228 posts)
26. It's amazing how the Bernouts can't stop themselves from preaching
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:32 PM
Mar 2016

Whatever the issue, a certain vocal contingent will find a way to spin it into an anti-Clinton rant, no matter how nonsensical or irrelevant.

Not unlike a certain syndrome we've seen among Obama's chronic detractors...

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
24. The "peculiar institution" may hold the answer
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:29 PM
Mar 2016

In antebellum days, Southern whites' greatest fear was a slave uprising. This fear, passed down through the generations, may explain their descendants' reluctance to vote for the party that Nixon and successive repukes have managed to paint as the party of black people. (It was no accident that Raygun launched his campaign in Philadelphia, Miss., where three Freedom Riders were murdered. )

Missn-Hitch

(1,383 posts)
11. Poster admits as much.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:08 AM
Mar 2016

I agree with post's "simple" explanation. I agree that racism IS everywhere. I would like to hear a more nuanced explanation as to the reason(s) why the south went from Democratic to Republican. This is not malicious, I am genuinely interested in this subject. Cheers. Have a great day.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
27. No one said it does
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:36 PM
Mar 2016

However, a "way of life" was "stolen" from a large base of southerners by the likes of Kennedy, Humphery and Johnson. And they have never forgiven the Democratic party for that.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
28. It isn't simplistic at all.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:37 PM
Mar 2016

It's accurate. Southern Democrats steeped in systemic racism found themselves disaffected with the Democratic Party after the Civil Rights Act passed. Republicans actively courted these voters by racializing their platform.

No, the south does not have a monopoly on racism, but nowhere else in the United States was such overt racism so integrated into regional culture and tradition. Threatening action against overt racism was, in effect, threatening the very social order of the Southern states.

Behind the Aegis

(53,999 posts)
39. You are correct.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 05:25 PM
Mar 2016

But it is low hanging fruit for which many a "critic" of the South love to feast upon.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
12. Very good review of the "The Southern Strategy".
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:17 AM
Mar 2016

Right at the end of Nixon's Presidency, Nixon called George Wallace and asked "George, are you with me"? To which Wallace responded "No". I believe that Nixon formally resigned that day.

Think about what that phone called meant.

The white racists abandoned the Democratic Party and have not comeback.


phylny

(8,390 posts)
41. I think your post highlights an important point.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 08:06 PM
Mar 2016

I am a Christian, but man, people here in my red part of Virginia are fundamentalist, evangelical "Christians." Everything they think politically is all about their religion and has less to do with race as it has to do with anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-government, anti-anybody but us.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
20. Look at the racial divide in Chicago, San Francisco and New York
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:23 PM
Mar 2016

Then come talk to me about racism in the south. They invented redlining so they could suppress their black countrymen. Hell, they implemented the black ghetto system with malice aforethought.

Hell, in San Francisco, they basically just kicked out all the black people and moved them all to Oakland.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
37. I think mostly it has to do with religion.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 04:24 PM
Mar 2016

And government rules about practicing religion and when / how it can be done. These things eventually become memes that people believe and follow for no other reason. The parties are experts at keeping voters in that same state. The whole Death, taxes, vote Republican mindset.

And while there are some cities like Atlanta, Charlotte and Charleston, there isn't enough population there to drive statewide elections like there is in New York, California, Pennsylvania and others.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
4. Large rural areas.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 10:21 AM
Mar 2016

Take Texas. If you separate the major cities, you get a lot of blue voting. Too bad we let that stretch of I-10 between Houston and San Antonio vote.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
6. Maybe Texas is turning
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 10:33 AM
Mar 2016

I have heard of some legislation from Texas that is down-right progressive.

*Programs to treat people arrested for drugs vs jail

*Schools adding more recreational time for children during their school day and study's show they are doing better.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
8. We (Houston) ARE responsible for voting in the first open lesbian mayor
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 10:35 AM
Mar 2016

of a large city. And we elected her twice!

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
13. Because enough of them are still Confederate sympathizers.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:47 AM
Mar 2016

A lot of them were Democrats until the Civil Rights movement, when they left the Democratic Party because their racism basically took priority over their other political beliefs. In the 1980s we called these people the "Reagan Democrats" but they weren't really Democrats any more. They had realigned with the GOP because the GOP made a very deliberate decision to pander to their racism and peel off their substantial number of votes.

As other posters have pointed out, this phenomenon isn't really confined strictly to the old Confederacy, but the concentration is still highest there.



jwirr

(39,215 posts)
43. I few questions. Aren't there enough minorities to out vote
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 08:49 PM
Mar 2016

these Red state voters? Black voters came out to vote for Obama and they were mostly responsible for his election. Good.

But why don't they come out to turn their own states blue? Or do they?

I have been watching for progressive candidates to donate to and have some black candidates in SC and elsewhere. If there are a majority of black voters in these states why are they Red states?

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
22. Racism and religion and also
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:27 PM
Mar 2016

it's the "loser" part of the country (in the sense that it lost the Civil War and has had major chips on its shoulders ever since). A lot of the white people want to identify the hyper masculine, tough guy party, the party of bluster and bravado, to help cover up their feelings of inferiority. So they turn to the Republicans.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
29. This shouldn't offend you if you are a democrat in a red state, but
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:39 PM
Mar 2016

the biggest reason is political ignorance.

apnu

(8,759 posts)
30. When we were the Colonies, that is where the conservatives tended to settle.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:47 PM
Mar 2016

They are still there.

When the Revolution came, it started in the North. Boston, Philadelphia. Early combat action took place in New England. The southern colonies weren't so keen on revolt. They had a good thing going with cotton and tobacco trade to England and the uncertain future if we broke away from England concerned them. Only a little over half of the colonists actually supported the American Revolution. There was a serious problem of turncoats during our war of Independence. And so the action, as the war drags on moves south as the English were trying to shore up support there. There was enough remaining English support after Independence that England thought they could retake the Colonies.

All of that support came from the conservatives in the Colonies and we still have them today. They are the people who resist change, any change. They are the people who horde, who are selfish, and mistrusting of the "other"

So when the political parties in America formed, the conservatives tended to be in the South and that was, originally, the Democratic Party.

Then came the Republicans, who were the progressive party in Lincoln's time, and the liberals were collected there. After the Civil War, being a Democrat anywhere was toxic so the politially savvy jumped ship to the Republicans to make cash during Reconstruction. That started a pole shift of the liberal and conservative axis in America and by the 1960s that was finished.

The Democrats held on to a few conservatives for a while simply because there are places in the deep South where Lincoln and the Republicans were toxic and nobody would support any "Republican" But that is all gone now.

questionseverything

(9,661 posts)
31. who knows how the south actually votes?
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:49 PM
Mar 2016

lots of blackbox voting which was introduced in the mid 60s

look at miss

http://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/28

37.5% black but supposedly always goes repub

so numbers wise that means there are not 14% of whites that would vote with the blacks that support dems...i just do not buy that

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
32. the early 90s party took two approaches: one was to take a stand, defend their principles,
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 01:50 PM
Mar 2016

show why liberalism benefited everyone, and show how people were being divided against each other
this was the Ann Richards approach
she lost to Rove's sleazy ethnic intimations in 1994

the other route was by the neoliberals--the Clintons--to swing right to capture more votes because the old Dems who didn't leave with the Dixiecrats would still stay on no matter how far right your rhetoric went; economically they surmised that deregulation would produce enough booms and bubbles to keep the whole thing afloat; instead the states and GOP easily slid rightwards, with the Dems trailing right in their footsteps like some corrupt duckling (the left and the base didn't have any big donors, and bankruptcy was always a big fear for the DNC throughout the 90s); so the South ended up irrecoverably almost solid Red except in state parties that turned around a bit

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
36. Fear, ignorance, racism, cultish religiosity, malevolent mischief, gullibility
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 03:32 PM
Mar 2016

in the ones who vote every chance they get..

and

too few democrats/progressives who vote to cancel them out

Behind the Aegis

(53,999 posts)
38. Clearly, it is religion.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 05:24 PM
Mar 2016
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=

I mean, if we are going for "simple" answers, this is would be one of the largest, if not the largest, reason the South remains "red". Or, we can simply say, there is no simple reason, but rather a plethora of reasons, many which are intertwined with one another making a mosaic of what is the South.

phylny

(8,390 posts)
42. Yes.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 08:09 PM
Mar 2016

Here in my red part of Virginia, people go to church Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday night. There are an incredible number of churches in my county.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
40. How long have they been red?
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 05:45 PM
Mar 2016

Look at 1996 and 1992

Clinton won - Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, and Kentucky

in 1992 he won Georgia, in 1996 he won Florida

In 1976 Jimmy Carter swept the entire south. In 1980 he pretty much lost everything - except Georgia.

It used to be a very simple electoral strategy - put a southerner on the ticket.

Didn't work so well with John Edwards though.

You know what other region is always red - and deep red at that? The west. For almost a century they have voted Republican in the Presidential election from the Mississippi river west to the coastal states, except Texas. The one exception was LBJ who went all the way, and some of the FDR elections. People tend to not care as much about that though, because there are not nearly as many electoral votes at stake. In a close race, Democrats are gonna cede those states to the Republicans and not bother to campaign there. Same thing with the DCCC. Money is limited so you concentrate on races you can win.

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