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(241 posts)lastlib
(23,248 posts)good one! Wiley has probably passed Babe Ruth for knocking it out of the park!
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Ford_Prefect
(7,901 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)So Far From Heaven
(354 posts)Newkularblue
(130 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)There's one group saying "we will support the Democratic nominee, no matter who it is". There's another saying "we'll make the Democratic nominee lose if it's not our candidate".
Which group is demanding a loyalty oath?
Any candidate has to engender sufficient votes in order to be elected. Many Bernie supporters will vote for whoever wins the nomination at GE time. Some, perhaps many won't because they don't want to support status quo. Those are both legitimate views. If Dems lose the election it will be because the candidate failed to inspire sufficient votes -- or the GOP stole the election again or both.
But this is all premature. Let's see who wins the nomination first and then go from there. Bernie supporters want their primary vote counted first. That is reasonable and rightful.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Bernie supporters want their primary vote counted first - and they'll attack anyone who supports Clinton and threaten the future of the Democratic Party if they don't get their way.
Bernie supporters want their primary vote counted - and will have a childish temper tantrum, accusing the Clinton camp of dirty tricks, voter suppression, or just general corruption when Sanders looses.
Bernie supporters want their primary vote counted - and some will happily vote for Trump to make sure Clinton doesn't win.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)if ANYONES primary vote isn't counted?
or do you only care about votes for your preferred candidates?
baldguy
(36,649 posts)By being sure to elect staunch Democrats in all levels of govt to change the rules & enact legislation to do it.
Staunch Democrats like Hillary Clinton.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)isn't showing concern about Arizona. :/
baldguy
(36,649 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)People are more intelligent than you think. To me, it would have saved face for her to claim a victory BUT STILL QUESTION THE RESULTS.
A winner questioning the results of the game they won? Do you know how much integrity that would show?
Skittles
(153,169 posts)she is trashed no matter what she does or does not do
LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)are responsible.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Nader's use of it killed it for a time, but like a zombie or a vampire, ill-informed people keep bringing it back from the dead.
Pat Riots
(76 posts)tantrums? really?
lt is almost as if you think Bernie supporters are little children.
well, this Bernie supporter and longtime Democrat is disgusted with the corruption in the Democratic party. it is my view that we will never advance in this country with a Third Way Centrist president, and if Hillary wins we will lose Congress in 18 and badly. I dint want Trump to win, but we would do much much better in 18 and 2020 running in opposition than having a highly unpopular Dem incumbant. i also am tired of the Democratic party treating its left flank as toxic (because MCGovern, smh) or as unruly children. which you just did.
i am 49 years old. i am not going wait anymore for the Democratic party to stop drifting right. any action i take or refuse to take will be to pull the Democratic party to the left. this is a long term project which requires looking past a single election. sorry if that offends you.
anyway, I think Bernie is gonna win.
Wibly
(613 posts)The only people having "trantrums" are the Clinton supporters who are accusing Sanders of being negative, accusing Sanders supporters of being somehow non Democratic Party supporters, and who, when caught doing dirty tricks, claim Sanders supporters are playing foul by accusing them of dirty tricks.
I can tell you one thing clearly, if Hillary Clinton loses it will be because she did not inspire the people, was not thoroughly honest with the people, and let her supporters engage in hatchet jobs like the one you have posted here.
From personal experience, its clear the Clinton campaign is scared, so scared, if you go on any of their social media sites and so much as ask the wrong question, like: How can Clinton stand up to banks when she's taking millions in campaign money from them?, you get booted.
I know of no Sanders supporter who would ever vote Trump for any reason, let alone be so petty as to do it just to stop Clinton.
Perhaps the Clinton supporters think the Sanders supporters would do that because that is where their heads are at. They would be that petty, so they think others would be too.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)Or haven't you been paying attention?
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Hillary group has over 700 members banned from their group while Bernie's group has what? around 200?
And Bernie supporters are the member hunting predators who grave dance with insulting signatures when people are banned?
Bernie supporters made sites like jackass radicals?
nope. all Hillary supporters. :/
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Clinton supporters don't insist on implementing & maintain a double standard on what private records should be made public.
Clinton supporters don't threaten to make sure the GOP wins if their candidate doesn't get nominated.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)We will look like Greece after she's done.
She is the better candidate....for the 1%.
get back to reality will you . smh
eridani
(51,907 posts)Sanders group
Number of subscribers: 989
Number of people trashing: 173
Number banned: 320
Ratio of subscribers to banned: 3.09
Clinton group
Number of subscribers: 380
Number of people trashing: 346
Number banned: 768
Ratio of subscribers to banned: 0.49
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)Who's the bigger threat? Hillary?
Or the Republicans?
retrowire
(10,345 posts)how many non believers have the Hillary group blocked? over 700?
hmmm...
baldguy
(36,649 posts)It says right on the label: "This is a group, not a forum. Groups often serve as safe havens for members who share similar interests and viewpoints. Individuals who post messages contrary to a particular group's stated purpose can be excluded from posting in that group."
The greater number blocked indicates a larger number of immature losers attempting to disrupt the group, doesn't it?
retrowire
(10,345 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)Disputers aren't allowed in groups, therefor they get blocked.
If you were to look at why some were blocked, it's shameful. I never said a damned thing negative about Hillary in the Hillary group. Not one. I did question why Hillary supporters were shaming someone they knew nothing about.
So don't come at us with "you deserved to be banned" horse hooey.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)The label is appropriate.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)They sure didn't like the questions i was asking tho.
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stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)And you damned well know what site I'm talking about.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)what are you talking about ?
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)wow you think we don't know who the troll is?
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)tell them they are wasting their time.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)I can sell you too.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)And Sanders supports believe them without question.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Almost Trumpish in their cult like devotion.
Anything that messes with their saviors image is RW propaganda.
"From Whitewater to Benghazi: A Clinton-Scandal Primer"
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/tracking-the-clinton-controversies-from-whitewater-to-benghazi/396182/
baldguy
(36,649 posts)You didn't even read the story in your link:
Just how serious is the FBI investigation into Hillary Clintons emails? Since the bureau doesnt like to speak about it publicly, people have to judge from outside signsfor example, how many agents are working on the case. So when The Washington Post reported this week than there were 147 FBI investigators looking into whether any crimes were committed in the handling of classified material on Clintons private email server, and whether that server was hacked, it was a bombshell. Republicans exulted and Democrats felt a rising nausea. The story swept across cable TV and the web.
Except it turns out maybe that wasnt the case. The FBI now says there are fewer than 50 agents working the case, though it wont say how many, and the Post corrected its article. Its yet another case of confusion and fog of war in a story that involves a scandal-plagued political dynasty, partisan intrigue, the intelligence community, the FBI, the vagaries of federal email rules and national-security law, and the obscure world of cybersecurity. Something went wrong hereClinton has apologized for using the serverbut whether any crime was committed remains hazy, subject to interpretations filtered through a partisan lens and leaks from an investigation that remains largely under wraps.
...
No other American politicianseven ones as corrupt as Richard Nixon, or as hated by partisans as George W. Bushhave fostered the creation of a permanent multimillion-dollar cottage industry devoted to attacking them.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)one way or the other.
So why should go to the trouble of providing proof?
I have no plans to convince you.
You already worship your corporate goddess.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Like the bullshit "147 FBI agents" story. One guy at the WP was tipped off by one anonymous source - most likely a RW operative - of the bogus number, and the next day there were literally hundreds of "news stories" quoting it, without verifying it, or any attempt to confirm it. They just repeated the lie without question.
Such is the state of American journalism.
And of course these various false stories were linked to thousands of times by the people eager & happy to be lied to, and gleefully salivating for such "news" - RWers, other Clinton haters, and Sanders supporters.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)Par for the course.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)clearly they are familiar with da Nile.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)I bet that I could sell them a space station.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Candidates make themselves lose. My vote is mine to give to the most deserving candidate. End of story. Spend your vote as you see fit.
All in it together
(275 posts)Just having a D behind there names may not be enough. I'm tired of waiting for candidates to push the positions they campaigned on.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)Disguised as laughter. Carry on!
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Carry on!
meow2u3
(24,764 posts)malaise
(269,057 posts)Ouch!
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)jonno99
(2,620 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Orrex
(63,216 posts)that supporters of a certain candidate sit around licking their own assholes?
So Far From Heaven
(354 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)That supporters of a certain candidate, with their banal and blind expectation that everyone will line up like fellow robots to vote for that candidate, are hilariously wrong.
Orrex
(63,216 posts)Maybe that's where the cats-licking-their-assholes imagery comes in.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)But yes, she has many helpers. They don't know why they are helping her, they get a little defensive when people point to the evidence that she serves corporations first and people second, and the need for them to make personal insults is an unfortunate character flaw shared by far too many of them.
Karma's a funny thing. I predict that someday you will recall this little exchange in which you dehumanized a group of people for petty satisfaction.
I've been attacked as a Republican, a Third-Wayer, a corporatist, a shill, and many others. I've been told that I'm bitter, that I'm resentful, that I'm a dinosaur, and that I'm afraid. All of it bullshit
And all of it because I've dared to question the obvious divinity of Senator Sanders as the obvious and only possible choice for President. And before you cry foul about "divinity," I'd remind you of the messianic imagery, the saintly imagery, and the gospel ditties all trotted out in worship of The Man.
So spare the bullshit about "dehumanizing," because that's one race in which Sanders' cheerleaders have a tremendous lead. They started earlier, they hit harder, and when someone is rightly called out for it, a chorus of others pipe right up to cry "The Purge Has Begun!"
ish of the hammer
(444 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)must have started elsewhere and been much more widespread.
Fish. Head. Down. Stinks.