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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsForty-some years ago, my friends and I talked about revolution
Then we'd smoke some herb, go to a drive-thru for some tacos, and listen to music or maybe watch re-runs on the tube
It was pleasant enough: we could feel morally superior to everybody else for our realization that the establishment sucked and for our completely nonviolent and totally uninvolved idealism
If you really want change, you have to be able to imagine, in practical and concrete ways, a path to the change you want. And you have to be able to stay informed about current conditions, so you can continually update your imagined path to change in a timely and realistic manner. It's a full-time thing: it requires a lot of highly-motivated well-organized people doing a lot of work for a very long time
You can't have long-term success just by finding the right leader to follow, because everybody has feet of clay
And major change always has a huge political component: the people who disagree with you are generally as smart as you are, and they can usually kick as hard as you can. If you can't even put your friends on the city council, you're not nearly well-organized enough to have a revolution
Revolutions are messy, drawn-out, chaotic things. People need water and sewer services. People need food and transportation. People need medical care. Things have to be very bad indeed for people to decide change is so important it's worth losing basic amenities for a while
It's easy to yammer about the need for revolution. And it's almost always a sign of laziness
brush
(53,792 posts)WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)told all the people to get ready for a famine and I don't even see a revolution there. With a republican majority in house, senate and white house, we could get close to a dictator who is just as fat and mean.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)revolution as the only alternative to doing nothing
But my experience over the years suggests to me that most people who blather about revolution are people who have no history whatsoever of working effectively for any change: they typically strike me as being about as clueless as the Malheur malcontents, believing that some imaginary spontaneous uprising will lead us to happily-ever-after land
The analytic vacuity behind any attempt to use social media to organize revolution should be clear to anyone who thinks clearly about the interests of the telecom companies and ISPs: even a marginal success, in using telecom/ISP networks to organize a significant revolutionary movement, would promptly be shut down by the companies themselves, unless the companies supported the revolution. Put otherwise, the would-be revolutionaries using social media would find their cellphones and internet disconnected long before there was much prospect of success
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)People who sneer and spit down at those who seek change - such as yourself - are universally the root of the problem. I asked before, and never got an answer. Whose "progress" are you "struggling 4"? 'Cause i see nothing from you that indicates you are anything but someone very happy with entrenched power laying where it does, so long as you are given spoonfuls of pablum and afforded an opportunity to spit down at those you see as your lessers.
struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)One person's pablum might be another person's decent life. Would it have been just pablum if Jimmy Carter had been re-elected? and if Republicans had NOT taken over the Senate in 1980? Would it have been pablum if Gore had been elected in 2000? Is any sort of progress that is not the final solution, just some sort of pablum?
"universally the root of the problem"?
Really, so if not for people scoffing at childish ideas and youthful foolishness, we would all be living happily ever after?
Maybe it is possible that people who have been around some, actually DO know more than the young and exciteable.
rug
(82,333 posts)The revolution will not be streamed.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)This is great.