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pnwmom

(108,988 posts)
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:29 PM Apr 2016

Thank you, Anita Hill.

I wonder if the movie coming up, Confirmation, about the Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas hearings, had anything to do with Joe Biden deciding not to run. It sure isn't going to help his image to remind everyone of his behavior in that debacle.

I'll never forgot those hearings. I had also been harassed by an older man at work, and I didn't even have the words then to explain it. It's hard to describe now how different the world was. The concept of sexual harassment almost didn't exist. It was just in the air . . . everywhere . . . if you were young and a woman.

Watching those hearings, my eyes were suddenly opened. So that's what had been happening to me . . .and millions of other women felt the same way. And thanks to Anita's bravery, things did start to change for the better. At least the whole issue came to light, and that was a necessary first step.

She made it real for all of us.

Thank you, Anita Hill.

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Thank you, Anita Hill. (Original Post) pnwmom Apr 2016 OP
I can't say whether it had any bearing on whether Biden decided to run or not. I believe madinmaryland Apr 2016 #1
I don't think their race mattered. The pubic hair on the Coke can mattered. pnwmom Apr 2016 #13
I still think nobody should'a put a pubic hair on his Coke can. I mean, come on folks, Hoppy Apr 2016 #30
Hoppy, did I miss something? saidsimplesimon Apr 2016 #37
It probably came out of his own head, pnwmom Apr 2016 #39
People piled so muc shit on her, I still can't believe it n/t eridani Apr 2016 #2
that was a bit success for rw radio and limbaugh certainot Apr 2016 #34
even my own mother redruddyred Apr 2016 #45
I watched most of those hearings cally Apr 2016 #3
I know that for a fact drmeow Apr 2016 #9
Pres. Obama should have nominated Hill to replace Scalia. /nt SDjack Apr 2016 #4
YES he should have... Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #18
+ Eighty gazillion Scuba Apr 2016 #29
Dr. Hill has already suffered enough at the ands of the Senate, I would think. nt Hekate Apr 2016 #35
Long ovedue for both:Hill deserves the honor, Thomas deserves the shame. stuffmatters Apr 2016 #51
"Thank you, Anita Hill" can't be said often enough. NBachers Apr 2016 #5
I heartily concur. Raster Apr 2016 #24
David Brock SHRED Apr 2016 #6
I don't know much about him - but Joe Biden went a different direction. pnwmom Apr 2016 #7
He did. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #19
Of course what Brock did was much much worse than Biden's actions. Brock lied about Hill and also Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #25
Every time I see her name, I think of him & I'm repulsed Kittycat Apr 2016 #27
I can tell you from personal experience--as a woman in a man's field of hospital administration mnhtnbb Apr 2016 #8
During a performance evaluation! Nice! pnwmom Apr 2016 #11
+1 n/t LittleGirl Apr 2016 #42
I'll never forget the pubic hair in the coke can lunatica Apr 2016 #10
Yes -- an image that just won't go away. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #12
Yes, thank you Professor Anita Hill. FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #14
And Orin Hatch... SoapBox Apr 2016 #15
I expected it of him. So it was clueless Biden who disappointed me the most. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #16
Yes, and we can't get rid of him here in Utah Hydra Apr 2016 #32
She started the evolution Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #17
I still can't believe some of the behavior. Loryn Apr 2016 #40
I hope women don't forget how it was... Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #55
K & R SunSeeker Apr 2016 #20
Yes, thank you Anita Hill and you pnwmom for the wonderful tribute. eom UtahLib Apr 2016 #21
You're very welcome, UtahLib. I hope many more people will appreciate her pnwmom Apr 2016 #22
This country owes a PROFOUND APOLOGY to Anita Hill. Profound apology. Raster Apr 2016 #23
I agree. Hopefully it will come when this movie wakes people up. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #49
And thanks to Nina Tottenberg rosesaylavee Apr 2016 #26
Yes! Being able to name it -- sexual harassment. Amazing what a difference that made. pnwmom Apr 2016 #50
So glad a movie has been made of those repulsive hearings. Paladin Apr 2016 #28
+1000 Hekate Apr 2016 #48
. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #31
Truthtellers get raked over the coals in our society Hydra Apr 2016 #33
I truly believe Joe Biden was crushed flat by his son's death, or he would have run. Hekate Apr 2016 #36
Of course it does--and I said as much as the film was starting to go into post production. MADem Apr 2016 #38
Here, here! nm rhett o rick Apr 2016 #41
& Fuck you, David Brock! mhatrw Apr 2016 #43
I expected the Rethugs to mistreat her. And I was disappointed in the Dems who let them. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #44
i think most people have forgiven Biden. White men tend to get the benefit of the doubt La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #46
Any woman who ever worked in a male dominated workplace.. mountain grammy Apr 2016 #47
I wish Biden had run wheniwasincongress Apr 2016 #52
It is going to be painful to watch that movie, realizing that it is not fiction. pnwmom Apr 2016 #53
K&R. A brave woman, indeed. demmiblue Apr 2016 #54

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
1. I can't say whether it had any bearing on whether Biden decided to run or not. I believe
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:47 PM
Apr 2016

it probably did not factor into his decision by much.

The whole episode was surreal. I wonder if it was the fact there were two African Americans involved in a tawdry hearing that made the media go wild about it. Obviously the issue was about the actions of one of those persons, but would the same thing have been brought up if they were two white people?

I believe Ms. Hill did the right thing coming forward and confronting the nominee and the whole country that sexual harrassment does occur.

pnwmom

(108,988 posts)
13. I don't think their race mattered. The pubic hair on the Coke can mattered.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:21 PM
Apr 2016

And the fact that this was the first extended, public discussion of the issue that (I think) was ever held.

And the Dems blew it, completely.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
30. I still think nobody should'a put a pubic hair on his Coke can. I mean, come on folks,
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:36 AM
Apr 2016

W.T.F.? How would you like it if you was gonna take a sip outa your can on a hot summer day and you look at the top and what do you see? A PUBE! Staring you right in the face. Wouldn't you be pissed?

I ain't sayin' Anita put it there, just that it shouldn'ta happened.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
37. Hoppy, did I miss something?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:27 PM
Apr 2016

Mr. Thomas made the comment about the hair. It was offensive to Ms. Hill, as it should have been. Do not further impugn her reputation by suggesting she "put it there".

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
34. that was a bit success for rw radio and limbaugh
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:42 PM
Apr 2016

if the left had gone to her defense the way stoprush and flushrush and boycottrush went to sandra fluke's defense that would have ended rw radio's invisibility to the left and we'd have single payer, no bush, no iraq, and a lot less global warming denial.

back then we didn't have social media but protests at those rw radio stations and at the 90 major universities that support 270 limbaugh stations, along with a general awareness of how much shit that classic CIA style radio psyops was pumping into the country, would have destroyed it.

today thanks in large part to stoprush and co, clearchannel/i fart radio is 20 bil in debt.

for those who continuously dismiss the importance of rw radio, consider some simple math:
at a cheap $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 1200 stations, rw talk radio is worth 4.68 BIL$/ year or 390MIL$ FREE/month for pro republican wall st propaganda.

that's been going for over 25 years- the advertising dollars paid for most of that.

that is why we got clarence thomas.

and until the left gives rw radio the attention it deserves, with protests etc., there will still be dem politicians intimidated by and giving weight to the illegitimate made-to-order constituencies rw radio routinely creates on behalf of the wall st stink tanks.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
45. even my own mother
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:11 PM
Apr 2016

and she has experienced sexual harrassment and as far as i can tell is in some split-consciousness state of denial. very sad.

cally

(21,594 posts)
3. I watched most of those hearings
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:17 PM
Apr 2016

Or what I could. I think the power of her testimony and her poise led to many changes in the US.

drmeow

(5,022 posts)
9. I know that for a fact
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:15 PM
Apr 2016

I was in my second year of graduate school and my advisor was in the Women's Studies department. Because of the hearings, the president of the university held open meetings with women employees on campus and commissioned a committee to draft a sexual harassment policy (my advisor lead that committee). None of it would have happened if it had not been for Anita Hill and the hearings.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
51. Long ovedue for both:Hill deserves the honor, Thomas deserves the shame.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:50 PM
Apr 2016

I don't think men understand how sickening just mention of Clarence Thomas' name even today makes women's blood boil. Hill was the target, but all American women were demeaned and violated by allowing Thomas onto SCOTUS without a full hearing
(i.e. Hill's corroborating witnesses in the wings were denied the right to testify.)

Thomas' appointment is a constant living insult to American women.

And WTH is David Brock, who wrote the penultimate character assassination of Hill, high up on Hillary Clinton's payroll?

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
6. David Brock
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:22 PM
Apr 2016

Of Blue Nation Review and Hillary campaign champion.

Some of us don't forget.

Book Author Says He Lied in His Attacks on Anita Hill in Bid to Aid Justice Thomas
By ALEX KUCZYNSKI and WILLIAM GLABERSON
Published: June 27, 2001

The author of a best-selling book that attacked the credibility of Anita F. Hill has disavowed its premise, and now says that he lied in print to protect the reputation of Justice Clarence Thomas.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/27/us/book-author-says-he-lied-his-attacks-anita-hill-bid-aid-justice-thomas.html

pnwmom

(108,988 posts)
7. I don't know much about him - but Joe Biden went a different direction.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:26 PM
Apr 2016

and later regretted his actions.

Maybe this guy did, too.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
25. Of course what Brock did was much much worse than Biden's actions. Brock lied about Hill and also
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:01 AM
Apr 2016

intimidated other female witnesses using information he'd dug up about them. Called Hill 'a little bit nutty, a little bit slutty' while destroying her life in order to get Thomas on that court where he still sits today doing harm to the country no matter how much 'regret' Brock claims to have. He got nothing but rewards for what he did. I do not think he regrets it, as it made him rich, famous and advanced his career. He lost nothing, gained much while doing harm to innocent people.
Not one penny from me, but I'm a liberal and not a misogynistic bigot.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
27. Every time I see her name, I think of him & I'm repulsed
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:59 AM
Apr 2016

That Clinton legitimizes that slime. He showed his character. And men that do that to women, don't deserve a place of prominence. Sorry, not sorry.

mnhtnbb

(31,399 posts)
8. I can tell you from personal experience--as a woman in a man's field of hospital administration
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:11 PM
Apr 2016

from the mid 70's to mid-80's, that I was propositioned by my boss (during a performance evaluation!); propositioned
by the Chief Financial Officer; propositioned by a male mentor during graduate school;
and propositioned by a male colleague. Flirting and comments of a sexually suggestive nature
were regularly present in all kinds of interactions with males in the workplace during that time.

It really was in the air--everywhere--and you had to be careful not to offend these guys when you said
'no' to a direct proposition as well as not appear to be a prude when off-color jokes were made.

I had absolutely no problem believing Anita Hill.

pnwmom

(108,988 posts)
11. During a performance evaluation! Nice!
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:19 PM
Apr 2016

And that reminds me of one of the ironies of Anita's situation: she and Thomas both worked for the Equal Opportunities Commission.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
10. I'll never forget the pubic hair in the coke can
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:18 PM
Apr 2016

Every time I see Clarence Thomas I think of that.

Propositions could get really ugly and we were supposed to just brush it off in a lady like fashion. Never, ever, we were told, scream vituperations at any man because they had fragile egos.

And the times men thought it was more than OK or even their right, to grope women. It was ugly. Men thought it was flattering.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
17. She started the evolution
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:54 PM
Apr 2016

Men were pigs and the things they could say and do to women at work were shameless and humiliating for us women. I will never forget that men felt they could touch me because they paid me to type.

Loryn

(945 posts)
40. I still can't believe some of the behavior.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:53 PM
Apr 2016

I worked with several complete pigs, and consequences for such behavior was out of the question.

I am still shocked.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
55. I hope women don't forget how it was...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:05 PM
Apr 2016

Sometimes young women look at me as if I am lying about what used to happen. We fought hard and won big.

pnwmom

(108,988 posts)
22. You're very welcome, UtahLib. I hope many more people will appreciate her
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:09 AM
Apr 2016

and the huge sacrifice this shy young woman made when this movie comes out.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
23. This country owes a PROFOUND APOLOGY to Anita Hill. Profound apology.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:48 AM
Apr 2016

She was right. She was sexually harassed. She had the amazing courage to come forward, and was slimed and slandered to no end by just about everyone. Anita Hill was right. AND CLARENCE THOMAS HAS NO BUSINESS ON THE SCOTUS. And to think that he was and/or is considered the "successor" to Justice Thurgood Marshall is beyond laughable.

Bless your heart for sharing.

rosesaylavee

(12,126 posts)
26. And thanks to Nina Tottenberg
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:14 AM
Apr 2016

For covering the whole thing on NPR. I listened to most of it on the radio. And I agree that having a name for that repulsive behavior at work was a paradigm shift! If it has a name, there can be laws wriiten against that.

Yes. Thanks Professor Hill. You made a difference in my life for the better.

pnwmom

(108,988 posts)
50. Yes! Being able to name it -- sexual harassment. Amazing what a difference that made.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:00 PM
Apr 2016

Instead of just viewing it as this weird thing that kept happening between that weird, icky man and you.

Paladin

(28,268 posts)
28. So glad a movie has been made of those repulsive hearings.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:19 AM
Apr 2016

People who weren't around back then need an idea of the sickening process of how Silent Clarence Thomas managed to get on the Supreme Court....and just what it cost. Anita Hill was the only person who acquitted herself with honesty, integrity, and class in the whole sorry spectacle. After all these years, it still enrages me to think back on it.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
33. Truthtellers get raked over the coals in our society
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:02 PM
Apr 2016

I was too young to understand all of what was happening at that time, but I could tell that Anita was sincere and Clarence was skating his way into a position he was not suited for.

I didn't know the Dems piled on her at the time(was in schools so didn't get to watch most of it). That's pretty ugly- the well paid Establishment against women's rights.

Hekate

(90,755 posts)
36. I truly believe Joe Biden was crushed flat by his son's death, or he would have run.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:24 PM
Apr 2016

Yes, he was egregiously wrong about Professor Anita Hill, PhD. I had forgotten his part in that fiasco until several months ago, when it was brought up here. I yelled at the tv a lot during those hearings, especially when all those men kept calling HIM "Judge Thomas" and HER "Miss Hill."

But having said that, Joe Biden is now one of the most beloved figures in Democratic politics. Hell, I love him to bits myself. Even so, a man with his lengthy political history is always going to be vulnerable to oppo research from someone, if they choose to do it.

I support Hillary Clinton, but I was hoping for lively debates among Democrats as a way of clarifying who we are as Democrats, and that is why I was disappointed when Jim Webb dropped out so soon. If Joe's son hadn't died just then, I think Joe would have made a likely candidate.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
38. Of course it does--and I said as much as the film was starting to go into post production.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:50 PM
Apr 2016

He was an asshole, to be blunt about it.

Not his finest hour by a LONG shot.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
46. i think most people have forgiven Biden. White men tend to get the benefit of the doubt
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:14 PM
Apr 2016

when they screw up, the rest of us not so much. (this is not my speculation there is a whole research program around this phenomena. look at anything to do with aversive racism etc.)

mountain grammy

(26,640 posts)
47. Any woman who ever worked in a male dominated workplace..
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:48 PM
Apr 2016

whether by numbers or position, knows Anita Hill was telling the truth. We've all seen it, and most of us have experienced it. Thomas is a creep. For years I wished Scalia would drop dead..can I get two wishes, please,oh genie?

wheniwasincongress

(1,307 posts)
52. I wish Biden had run
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:54 PM
Apr 2016

so he could be properly trashed for his control of the hearings. There were four or five women who had also experienced sexual harassment from Thomas, and they were all wiling and ready to testify. Biden chose to not allow them. He let the other committee members embarrass Hill, and I believe even Biden himself joined in by asking Hill to repeat herself when she stated what lewd things Thomas said.

pnwmom

(108,988 posts)
53. It is going to be painful to watch that movie, realizing that it is not fiction.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:57 PM
Apr 2016

I'm glad they have a very high profile lead actor who will get the attention that movie deserves.

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