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TexasTowelie

(112,325 posts)
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:20 AM Apr 2016

LSD could make you smarter, happier and healthier. Should we all try it?

On this subject, only a handful of peer-reviewed studies have been conducted; sample sizes are tiny. There's still a great deal researchers don't know. But early results suggest that, when used by people without a family history or risk of psychological problems, psychedelics can make us kinder, calmer and better at our jobs. They can help us solve problems more creatively and make us more open-minded and generous. Some experiments even suggest that a single dose can change our personalities forever.


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LSD could make you smarter, happier and healthier. Should we all try it? (Original Post) TexasTowelie Apr 2016 OP
It changed me, but I'm not sure it was for the better... TreasonousBastard Apr 2016 #1
me too, onethatcares Apr 2016 #2
It certainly enhanced my creativity TexasTowelie Apr 2016 #4
Hmmm. I wonder if that explains Elway Supremo... madinmaryland Apr 2016 #48
I think that we can come to an agreement TexasTowelie Apr 2016 #61
My first trip safeinOhio Apr 2016 #8
Congress should be dosed at least annually. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #3
Cspan flobee1 Apr 2016 #33
you wanna get high? redruddyred Apr 2016 #5
That's right! TexasTowelie Apr 2016 #7
*snort* smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #11
You're ryan_cats Apr 2016 #37
I know. TexasTowelie Apr 2016 #38
Set and setting and guidance are very important. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #6
My first LSD trip was aboard a Guided Missile Cruiser in the middle B Calm Apr 2016 #16
that had to be a trip. onethatcares Apr 2016 #55
I would have probably been more relaxed on a cruise ship, but night time on board B Calm Apr 2016 #73
If I had a decent supplier Maynar Apr 2016 #9
... SamKnause Apr 2016 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author SamKnause Apr 2016 #77
And also make you whacky and dangerous. nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #10
something I never tried edhopper Apr 2016 #12
No AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #13
Why not? It doesn't show up on employee drug tests. B Calm Apr 2016 #14
It depends on the dosage and setting, according to Leary Holly_Hobby Apr 2016 #15
Can you really get REAL LSD anymore? I know fake stuff is out there. nt Logical Apr 2016 #17
It's still around, if you know the right people. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #28
Its almost impossible to find, and here is why..... Logical Apr 2016 #18
sounds like a real threat to nat'l security this guy redruddyred Apr 2016 #45
FYI, there are virtually identical "research chemicals" Nevernose Apr 2016 #52
Be Here Now GoldenMean Apr 2016 #19
I wouldn't recommend it. It is too strong a drug for some folks. Rex Apr 2016 #20
Definitely not all of us. nt bemildred Apr 2016 #21
Been there, done that. Solly Mack Apr 2016 #22
Becoming a Mormon can do all that??? joeybee12 Apr 2016 #23
LOL eom drmeow Apr 2016 #39
.... joeybee12 Apr 2016 #46
I know two people who were permanently effed up from it, both ended up as suicides. Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #24
If you want to hallucinate, stay awake for three days straight. Scurrilous Apr 2016 #25
1950s house wife takes LSD: joshcryer Apr 2016 #26
Ayahuasca is far better. Richard D Apr 2016 #27
Where do I get some of that? leveymg Apr 2016 #29
Well . . . Richard D Apr 2016 #43
IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING USING LSD AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #30
I always had the most fun flobee1 Apr 2016 #34
First time I took it was alone in a big house I'd just moved into bhikkhu Apr 2016 #68
I enjoyed my experience gwheezie Apr 2016 #31
It's been many, many years but real LSD and the real Mescaline those were the Trips to remember :) Sunlei Apr 2016 #32
No thanks. RebelOne Apr 2016 #35
If only ryan_cats Apr 2016 #36
Turn on - Tune In - but don't Drop Out OutNow Apr 2016 #40
I don't know about that, but might I suggest mandatory feedings in DC? silvershadow Apr 2016 #41
I'm bipolar. I would be scared of making it worse. GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 #42
same reason i don't do hallucinogens fizzgig Apr 2016 #65
under safe, controled, legal conditons.... Locrian Apr 2016 #44
I think I took it in the '70's one time... steve2470 Apr 2016 #47
Having never bothered with any other illicit drugs in my life, LSD's the only one that tempts me. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2016 #49
I would like to try it before I die. Right environment, etc. nt Logical Apr 2016 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #64
LOL, true. nt Logical Apr 2016 #71
He may have done Maynar Apr 2016 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #81
try mescaline or peyote onethatcares Apr 2016 #57
Probably not, but thanks anyways. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2016 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #63
Anyone remember orange barrel acid wilt the stilt Apr 2016 #51
I do I do xloadiex Apr 2016 #56
walls were really melting wilt the stilt Apr 2016 #69
Once a week whether I need it or not WheelWalker Apr 2016 #53
It drove me crazy I think LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #54
Hey there. TexasTowelie Apr 2016 #59
Probably would not be needed that often though. I had forgotten all about it until this LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #60
nah.... shanti Apr 2016 #58
Not for everyone Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #62
LSD really helped me. hollowdweller Apr 2016 #66
My experience was very positive bhikkhu Apr 2016 #67
"Reality" is for those who can't handle drugs GoldenMean Apr 2016 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #72
I really liked LSD back in the day- years ago. leftyladyfrommo Apr 2016 #75
Are you experienced? Have you ever really been experienced? randr Apr 2016 #78
Dayum! No wonder I'm so smart... Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #80

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
1. It changed me, but I'm not sure it was for the better...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:58 AM
Apr 2016

could have been, though. I was going through a lot of changes in those years.

TexasTowelie

(112,325 posts)
4. It certainly enhanced my creativity
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:16 AM
Apr 2016

and also gave me some perspective that I did not have before. The information in the article about the default mode network and the effect on ego also holds some validity from my point of view.

safeinOhio

(32,711 posts)
8. My first trip
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:05 AM
Apr 2016

cured my depression. If only I would have stopped after that one. I think it works, but would suggest using it only under supervision for that purpose.

PufPuf23

(8,804 posts)
3. Congress should be dosed at least annually.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:05 AM
Apr 2016

Seriously society needs a rethink and repurpose of psychedelics / entheogens.

TexasTowelie

(112,325 posts)
38. I know.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:03 PM
Apr 2016

But I did come up with a good GD thread that stayed active throughout Sunday. People must be trippin'!

onethatcares

(16,178 posts)
55. that had to be a trip.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:04 PM
Apr 2016

my last was fighting fires in Alaska for the Army after driving through exploding trees in an APC, 1974 vintage.

What a gas......

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
73. I would have probably been more relaxed on a cruise ship, but night time on board
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:14 AM
Apr 2016

a battle ship, looking at the curvature of planet earth and 10 million stars was a great trip. The phosphate in the water looked like there was underwater city. Orange Sunshine was the LSD.

Driving through an exploding Forrest fire would have terrified me.

Maynar

(769 posts)
9. If I had a decent supplier
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:35 AM
Apr 2016

I might not have quit, lo those many years ago.

the purple microdot quality went in the shitter, so I said screw that.

Me out.

Response to Maynar (Reply #9)

edhopper

(33,599 posts)
12. something I never tried
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:27 AM
Apr 2016

I would have, but didn't feel the situation was right the few times it was available.

One thing, those anti-drug films in Jr. High they showed us really made me want to try, those trips they showed were far out!

Holly_Hobby

(3,033 posts)
15. It depends on the dosage and setting, according to Leary
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:05 AM
Apr 2016

I believe he had incredible results with the prison population rate of recidivism.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
18. Its almost impossible to find, and here is why.....
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:21 AM
Apr 2016
On a cold afternoon last November, federal drug agents staked out a decommissioned nuclear missile silo in the gently rolling fields and watched as a tall, thin San Francisco man in black clothing and long silver hair tried to get in.

Oblivious to the trap, William L. Pickard Jr., a University of California at Los Angeles researcher who studies psychoactive drugs of the future, took several aluminum canisters from a silo shed, put them in his rented Buick and merged into traffic.
Minutes later, red lights and sirens pulsing, Kansas Highway Patrol officers stopped Pickard and a friend following him in a van. Clyde Apperson, a Mountain View business consultant, was arrested. But Pickard bolted from his Buick, which rolled into a ditch as the marathon-running vegetarian vanished into the heartland dusk.

Inside the vehicles, agents found sophisticated laboratory equipment and what they allege is enough raw material to make 16 million doses of LSD. Pickard, they say, was poised to use the missile base, built during the Cold War to defend the American way of life, to make the drug that helped launch the 1960s counterculture and inspired Timothy Leary's exhortations to "turn on, tune in and drop out."

This is the story about the life and times of Pickard, a brilliant chemist who was deputy director of UCLA's Drug Policy Research Program, and how he came to be accused of conspiring to run one of the nation's largest LSD labs.

Much more at :
http://io9.gizmodo.com/there-really-is-an-lsd-shortage-and-heres-why-1677123866

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
52. FYI, there are virtually identical "research chemicals"
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 05:46 PM
Apr 2016

Available online.

Furthermore, it's making a comeback amongst the youngsters, due largely to Mexican and Dutch laboratories. (I know a relative of the west coast's main LSD distributor, weirdly enough, and have learned all kinds of weird things lately. Come at me, DEA: I'm clean and sober, and this post is hearsay. In fact, I'm a compulsive liar and none of this is true).

I consider taking it once a year or so, but I'm old and fat and busy and have a real job, et cetera, but I've got no regrets about taking it when I was younger. It made me a much better person.

 

GoldenMean

(49 posts)
19. Be Here Now
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:13 PM
Apr 2016

Easter vacation 1969
San Miguel's Village
A small beach side campground just north of Ensenada
I'm laying in the shade of an old canvas tarp attached to my VW bug
The campers next to me and my buddy Hambone, put the Beatles White Album on replay on their 8 track.
The blue tablet with peace symbol, LSD, me and Hambone had eaten about 30 min. earlier, started coming on heavy and hard.
The last thing I remember is leaving my body and following a shaft of light coming through a small hole in the tarp.
At first my fear tried to stop the feeling of acceleration.
Sparks flew like a grinders wheel.
The calming music of the Beatles drifted in and I totally let loose of all fear and suddenly I became one with a pure white light that surrounded me with a feeling of pure love and bliss.
I bathed in that light for a timeless eternity, until I became conscious of a tugging from my body. My bladder and tooth fillings had pulled me back in from my trip across the universe.
The seed of awareness from that trip has been my guide and source of peace through out my life.
There is no death, only light.
http://www.lavondyss.com/donut/guide/lsd.html
http://deoxy.org/annex/cwl.htm



 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
20. I wouldn't recommend it. It is too strong a drug for some folks.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:59 PM
Apr 2016

I know a guy that it permanently fucked up from taking it.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
24. I know two people who were permanently effed up from it, both ended up as suicides.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:26 PM
Apr 2016

Terrible drug. Don't do it. You might get lucky, and you might not. You don't know how you are going to react before you do it, and some people do it and never get to stop doing it.

It's a one way trip to hell for some.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
29. Where do I get some of that?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:55 PM
Apr 2016

Hard to imagine even less fear and more bliss. You might leave orbit, and then what?

Richard D

(8,758 posts)
43. Well . . .
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:31 AM
Apr 2016

It could be more fear and less bliss too, but in the context of a "teacher plant" that can even be more valuable than the bliss. 0 It's a strong medicine. Long history of thousands of years of use. No unicorns farting rainbows, but the potential for an experience of unity with the natural world and Self. I've been working with it for 30+ years, and it doesn't get old.

 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
30. IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING USING LSD
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:59 PM
Apr 2016

I have some experience with it so let me give you some tips.

#1 - For your first time, take the SMALLEST effective dose possible. Don't be shy about cutting that tab into quarters. LSD is serious stuff, not like smoking a joint.

#2 - The effect comes on gradually over a period of 15-45 minutes. Don't take more thinking you didn't take enough. Just wait, it'll happen.

#3 - Don't do it alone. Always have someone who is mentally stable and who you trust thoroughly and implicitly as a wingman.

#4 - Before you start, buy a lot of orange juice, and if you smoke, have a good supply of weed and/or cigarettes handy. You don't want to have figure out how to satisfy a burning need for a smoke in the middle of your trip. The orange juice is both for hydration and to enhance visual effects.

#5 - Pick a safe, comfortable place to do it. If you can do it out in the countryside that's the best, especially if you are a nature lover. Trees are a million times cooler than you ever imagined them to be.

#6 - Pink Floyd is fucking awesome. Frank Zappa too if you can handle the intensity. (But The Wall is not a good pick for the first time through.) Or whatever you like, have some positive-spirit music handy - steer clear of moody or angry stuff.

#7 - Don't watch TV. Just don't do it. It will be way too disturbing an experience. Anything with advertisements or commercials should be avoided, as they are awash in negative karma.

#8 - Eventually with experience you will learn to control the effect. Once you do, you can take full advantage of its benefits. Until then, the watchword is PLAY IT SAFE. LSD is a risk for those who aren't experienced.

#9 - Have a good time! The experience will be spiritually, intellectually, and emotionally enlightening - profoundly so. Accept that it will be and have a mindset to enjoy it, and the experience will be all the fuller.

flobee1

(870 posts)
34. I always had the most fun
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:23 PM
Apr 2016

Taking it while camping in the fall
Especially while all the flocks of birds started flying south for the winter. Hundreds of birds all moving around like a big cloud, i was occupied for hours!

bhikkhu

(10,720 posts)
68. First time I took it was alone in a big house I'd just moved into
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:04 PM
Apr 2016

...at one point I had to go to the bathroom, got lost for about two hours, couldn't find light switches, etc. Funny in retrospect, but I had enough practice in meditation and so forth to feel when a bit of ugliness was starting, and was able to keep things cool.

Overall good experiences though. At the time I'd moved to the east coast and was isolated most of the time, away from big circles of friends I'd left. I'd take a tab on a weekend, watch movies, listen to music, go for walks when I learned to control it well enough. I never took enough to hallucinate freely as I found the low-dose effects very satisfying.

I did buy a watch with an AM/PM indicator, and that showed the day and date. I found that time became a big question, and there was always a fear that I'd figured the days wrong, was going to miss work or something.

ryan_cats

(2,061 posts)
36. If only
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:50 PM
Apr 2016

If only there was any that was decent around in the last twenty five years.
I have taken it over a hundred times and never had a bad trip. It is a great way to clean out the cobwebs in your mind.

Don't recommend it for everyone, you need to know your mind.


OutNow

(864 posts)
40. Turn on - Tune In - but don't Drop Out
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:02 AM
Apr 2016

My experiences were in the early 1970s and were very positive. Every time I hear Voodoo Child it brings back some awesome memories. Man, that was a long time ago.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
47. I think I took it in the '70's one time...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 05:05 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:55 PM - Edit history (1)

During the trip I actually thought the cast of Jesus Christ Superstar was in the loudspeakers. So, yea, I think it was the real thing.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,189 posts)
49. Having never bothered with any other illicit drugs in my life, LSD's the only one that tempts me.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 05:28 PM
Apr 2016

Or possibly some other hallucinogen.

I have zero desire to giggle and get the munchies. But the idea of going on a mind bending trip, on the other hand, does sound fascinating. At least once.

But the possibility of flashbacks and accidental harm that might result from a trip pretty much keeps me from ever acting on my temptations.

Response to Logical (Reply #50)

Maynar

(769 posts)
79. He may have done
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:42 PM
Apr 2016

but I recall reading accounts of Leary's passing and that's what happened there.

Big surprise.

The person guiding him asked if he wanted more, Tim kept replying, "Why not, why not."

At least that's how I remember it.

Response to Maynar (Reply #79)

onethatcares

(16,178 posts)
57. try mescaline or peyote
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:11 PM
Apr 2016

instead for your first.

I haven't tripped in over 30 years but those substances make for some experiences.

Good luck and have fun.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,189 posts)
74. Probably not, but thanks anyways.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:18 AM
Apr 2016

Tripping is one of those non-bucket list things that honestly I won't have too much regret about not having done when I lie on my deathbed.

But the thought of it is somewhat intriguing, nonetheless.

Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #49)

xloadiex

(628 posts)
56. I do I do
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:04 PM
Apr 2016

We also had green barrel. My favorite was windowpane. Anyone remember that? I remember sitting and cutting it into 4ths on the back of the toilet tank to share with friends before trekking off to school. Orange sunshine was another favorite. I miss the 70's.

LiberalArkie

(15,724 posts)
54. It drove me crazy I think
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 05:58 PM
Apr 2016

I was under a high security clearance and could not tell anyone where I was or what I was doing, and could not talk to people outside my group. That situation did not go well with my first trip and not knowing I was taking it.

Nope don't ever do that. Nope not a good situation at all.

(How come there isn't a running around naked on an AF base screaming and trying to pull all my hair out smiley?)

TexasTowelie

(112,325 posts)
59. Hey there.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:13 PM
Apr 2016


I think you need to put that question in the ATA forum for Skinner to answer and point to this thread when you do it. The reply may end up being priceless.

LiberalArkie

(15,724 posts)
60. Probably would not be needed that often though. I had forgotten all about it until this
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:16 PM
Apr 2016

thread got started. Youth, what can one say.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
62. Not for everyone
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:16 PM
Apr 2016

But psychedelics can be beneficial, enlightening and therapeutic for some people under some circumstances.

In my experience, For some people they can provide profound opportunities for personal growth.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
66. LSD really helped me.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:45 PM
Apr 2016

I was a very anxious person and had trouble falling asleep. Worried about things.

One time I was dong acid and this glass busted in my head like a bottle hitting a wall and blood ran down the wall.

It was like this huge release and I never had chronic anxiety again.

I learned things on other episodes. If you do acid with somebody a lot you can develop telepathy, but you can do that without acid too.

It's possible to reprogram your brain but just like anything you could reprogram it wrong if you aren't careful.

The thing about acid is if you have something bugging you it can make it worse sometimes. I remember one time I was smoking a lot of dope and the acid turned against me and kept bugging me about getting high too much. So sometimes the experience is unpleasant but then you have to go back and do what it tells you to get your life straight.

The acid today is much purer than in the old days. However it is not as strong.

I haven't done it for 3 or 4 years.

Second to last time was at a festival, small dose. My wife and I were walking back to camp after seeing LOTUS. They were great and these people ran a huge lighted dragon thru the crowd. We laughed our asses off.

On the way back my wife and I saw these people by the path with a childs swimming pool set up looking in it with flashlights. We were speculating what they were doing with a swimming pool set up. What were they selling?

When we got closer we realized it was somebody shining a flashlight on the ground, standing there while talking. We had hallucinated the entire childs pool off of the circular beam of light on the ground. That was a good laugh!


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bhikkhu

(10,720 posts)
67. My experience was very positive
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:53 PM
Apr 2016

I messed with a bunch of different stuff in my long and troubled youth. In retrospect, there was more harm than good in the bulk of it and I'd flush most any of that stuff nowadays if it happened to be in my possession. LSD is the exception. It got me out of a depression, helped with shyness and self-esteem problems, and helped build (I think) some healthy creative neural habits that I was able to retain over the years. Too bad supply is such a problem, 25 years since I knew anyone...

 

GoldenMean

(49 posts)
70. "Reality" is for those who can't handle drugs
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:16 PM
Apr 2016

Dock Ellis pitched a no hitter on acid
Steve Jobs was an acid head
Silicon billionaires use it as a way to think outside the "reality" box

http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/25/technology/lsd-psychedelics-silicon-valley/

Be Here Now

I was perched high on acid, high on a ledge overlooking an "energy" spot in the Big Bear Lake mountains. On the rock I was clinging to suddenly appeared the letters , L L L, etched into the stone with laser precision.
I heard a voice in my head keep repeating the phrase
"Live to Learn to Love"
That has been my Mantra for existence ever since.
As I grew older I realized that the basic reality of living revolves around eat, sleep, work, shit .
My goal in this evolution is to live to learn to do these basics with Love.

Response to GoldenMean (Reply #70)

leftyladyfrommo

(18,869 posts)
75. I really liked LSD back in the day- years ago.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:18 AM
Apr 2016

But I didn't like the speedy part of the high. I am afraid to try it again because I have high blood pressure and I think it might be really bad for that.

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