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http://hartmannreport.com/link/are-religious-people-less-smart-new-study-outwshocking-resultskatsy
(4,246 posts)katsy
(4,246 posts)True Earthling
(832 posts)Understanding the negative relationship between IQ and religiosity
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mr-personality/201312/why-are-religious-people-generally-less-intelligent
(1) Intelligent people are generally more analytical and data-driven; formal religions are the antithesis: they are empirically fluffy and their claims are often in direct contradiction with scientific evidence, unless they are interpreted metaphorically but maybe intelligent people are not that keen on metaphor. Another way of putting it is that people with a high IQ are more likely to have faith in science, which isnt religions best friends (yes, yes, I do know about Einsteins quotes).
(2) Intelligent people are less likely to conform, and, in most societies, religiosity is closer to the norm than atheism is. Although this interpretation is based on extrapolation, it still makes sense: first, smarter people tend to be less gullible; second, in most societies religious people outnumber atheists and agnostics - though global levels of religiosity have been declining, and there is substantial cultural variability in religiosity levels.
(3) Intelligence and religiosity are functionally equivalent, which means that they fulfil the same psychological role. Although this intriguing argument contradicts points 1 and 2, it deserves serious consideration. Humans will always crave meaning. Religion like science and logical reasoning provides them with a comprehensive framework or system to make meaningful interpretations of the world. At times, religion and science are in conflict; but they can also act in concert, complementing each other to answer non-falsifiable and falsifiable questions, respectively. The authors conclude that some people satisfy their desire to find meaning via religion, whereas others do so via logical, analytical, or scientific reasoning and IQ predicts whether you are in the former or latter group.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)In Texas, most go to church on Sunday to absolve themselves of any guilt from mistreating others during the week. One characteristic lacking is empathy toward the other, at least as directed towards others outside their religious click.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)They can be raging assholes all week and after 12 PM on sundays. But they're "good christians" if they have a fish emblem on their cars and profess their faith.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)Watching people act holier than thou and so judgie of everyone else.. while i knew there were affairs going on and shady business stuff and just general asshole attitudes the other 6 days of the week.
Then i discovered The Science! and my soul was comforted..
MisterP
(23,730 posts)raccoon
(31,112 posts)Melurkyoulongtime
(136 posts)You hit the nail right on the head! And if those "others" happen to be poor and/or POC then all they secretly want you to do is just die already. You know, so as not to be inconvenienced by "those" people anymore. Can't tell you how many times I've heard "Kill them all and let gawd sort them out" said by so-called Christians in regards to the poor & POC here. Jesus wept.
Oneironaut
(5,517 posts)They're too selfish to feel guilt over mistreating others. They're just afraid of judgment. Hence where church comes in - sins forgiven, scorecard wiped clean, and problem solved!
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)sort of either-or manner, as if a very large number of people didn't use a broad range of the faculties discussed. Also as if religious were better...
In looking for this I found mention of another study that revealed religious children were meaner. Doesn't mean they weren't empathetic enough to know how to get someone crying, of course.
meaculpa2011
(918 posts)Orrex
(63,219 posts)I become suspicious any time I see a claim that one group is "less intelligent" than another group, especially when the claim is pitched to the nominally "more intelligent" group.
Democrats Ascendant
(601 posts)I'm dubious of any scientific/academic journal that would publish this sort of study.
Democrats Ascendant
(601 posts)From what I could find, the methodology too does not seem to be particularly rigorous, although the reports did not disclose very much about what the tests were like and what types of people were involved.
In general, I find these sort of studies to be more revealing of the people who concocted them than of the people who participated in them.
(Funny also that there are at least two typos in the write up....)
I fear that, on a scientific level, I am not particularly impressed.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)In my opinion, every religious person stops being curious and do not seek truths, in fact, the more religious, the more willingly ignorant. They use their faith as their guide in decisions and are easily manipulated by clergy or religious friends. They may be genetically smart, but choose to be led rather than discover anything beyond their blinders
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)But then, considering how played that whole "serve one another in love" has become, it's well-nigh impossible to argue with the points about "every religious person" in your post.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"In my opinion, every religious person stops being curious and do not seek truths..."
Is that opinion predicated on objective evidence, or merely anecdotal evidence biased by a personal filter (or, in your words, 'blinders')?
larkrake
(1,674 posts)traveled to every continent and see the same "blinders" on deeply religious folk, the worst being radical christians who use their scripture, guns and ropes to torture, shun and kill those with other beliefs, "in the name of God". Something supported since the crusades. Yes these radicals use their religion as an excuse to kill, but it also shows a lack of intellect, which was the question in the OP.
My opinion is a personal filter, and my friends who follow many religions to one degree or another, restrict themselves to equal degrees of tunnel vision about life, missing out on growth, experiences and the wonders of the world. I still respect them as human beings with qualities I may not have, but I am sad they do not see beyond religious propaganda. Curiosity leads to vision and there is too much to discover in one lifetime.
Willful ignorance is more prevalent in the US-apathy, compliance, fear and hate. They hide in their bibles, each interpreting the stories there differently but all fearing anyone different.
Logical
(22,457 posts)considering there are 100s of gods that all have followers that have very little in common.
Most just believe it because they are raised from en early age to believe it.
Face it, religion is geographically based. That is most of what makes someone a certain religion.
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)just saying!
eniwetok
(1,629 posts)That is, of course, if it's you. If so... shame for creating a forum then never citing any posts from it.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Science is great... unless it doesn't validate our biases about religion or marijuana-- then it's a flawed study, a hoax or merely poor science.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Xolodno
(6,398 posts)It doesn't look at religious heretics like me.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)What's the reason?
For if it prosper then none dare call it heresy...
Hat tip to John Harington
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Atman
(31,464 posts)I'm not clicking on your link without know what I'm linking to!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Now Lao Tzu, there was a guy who understood the value of brevity.
Jerry442
(1,265 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)Intelligence vs. empathy? An ambitious study!
--imm
Zorra
(27,670 posts)as gravity is a natural physical law.
If that somehow makes me stupid, then my ignorance is bliss. I'd never presume to tell anyone else what they should believe.
eniwetok
(1,629 posts)I think that's obvious even without the study.
ladyVet
(1,587 posts)I can't stop snickering even now.
Let me tell you the story of a kind, decent man who was corrupted by religion. Well, the gist of it is, he stopped being a kind, decent man. He became a hater. A weak person who literally could not make a decision unless his pastor told him which was the "right" choice. An adulterer with a "get out of sin free" card, who judged others while he sinned.
Personal observation, true, but he's not the only one I've seen this happen to. Religion short circuits the thinking mechanism. That makes you stupid. One can argue about the methodology, but it is what it is.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I think smarter people naturally tend towards curiosity, and vice-versa, but the the fastest Lamborghini in the world still won't break any speed records if you leave it in the garage.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Religious people are why LGBT are mistreated in this world. All they care about is money and self.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)You should post an excerpt and you should comment in thread and not use this community like some wall to spray your rhetorical graffiti on.
mr blur
(7,753 posts)And they talk to themselves a lot.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I'd go so far as to say he was wise:
applies to all men, and is unchangeable and eternal. By its commands this law summons men
to the performance of their duties; by its prohibitions it restrains them from doing wrong. Its
commands and prohibitions always influence good men, but are without effect upon the bad. To
invalidate this law by human legislation is never morally right, nor is it permissible ever to
restrict its operation , and to annul it wholly is impossible. Neither the senate nor the people
can absolve us from our obligation to obey this law, and it requires no Sextus Aelius to expound
and interpret it. It will not lay down one rule at Rome and another at Athens, nor will it be
one rule to-day and another tomorrow. But there will be one law, eternal and
unchangeable, binding at all times upon all peoples; and there will be, as it were, one common
master and ruler of men, namely God, who is the author of this law, its interpreter, and its
sponsor. The man who will not obey it will abandon his better self, and, in denying the true
nature of a man, will thereby suffer the severest of penalties, though he has escaped all the other
consequences which men call punishments." Marcus Tullius Cicero
PDF: http://www.kentlaw.edu/faculty/bbrown/classes/HumanRightsSP10/CourseDocs/1READINGSON.pdf
Thank you for the heads-up, thomhartmann! It's not surprising to those who think -- especially for think for themselves.
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)March 23, 2016
Case Western Reserve University
... In a series of eight experiments, the researchers found the more empathetic the person, the more likely he or she is religious ...
Atheists, the researchers found, are most closely aligned with psychopaths -- not killers, but the vast majority of psychopaths classified as such due to their lack of empathy for others.
The new study is published in the online journal PLOS ONE. The other authors are Jared Friedman, a research assistant and recent graduate in Philosophy and Cognitive Science who will begin his PhD in organizational behavior at Case Western Reserve in the fall, and Scott Taylor, assistant professor of organizational behavior at Babson College ...
Friedman said, "Having empathy doesn't mean you necessarily have anti-scientific beliefs. Instead, our results suggest that if we only emphasize analytic reasoning and scientific beliefs, as the New Atheist movement suggests, then we are compromising our ability to cultivate a different type of thinking, namely social/moral insight" ...
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/03/160323151838.htm
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...engage in the discussion. Otherwise you're just spamming.
And, please, don't just post a link and then you're done with it. An excerpt would be nice so we know if we even want to click on the link.
The article is crap, by the way.