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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:46 PM Apr 2016

Ted Cruz is quietly running on a 19 percent sales tax

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/8/9866726/ted-cruz-electability

But let's be clear: Cruz is calling for a 19 percent federal sales tax that would apply to all purchases of goods and services made in the United States. This is possibly the single least voter-friendly idea one could imagine.

It's so toxic that he doesn't call it a 19 percent federal sales tax at all.

"For businesses, the corporate income tax will be eliminated," Cruz writes on his website. "It will be replaced by a simple Business Flat Tax at a single 16 percent rate."

This sounds like Cruz is calling for the replacement of the current loophole-ridden corporate income tax with a new flat corporate income tax featuring a broader base and a lower rate. But that's not what Cruz is proposing at all. His "business flat tax" is a sales tax, not a corporate income. And it's a 19 percent sales tax, not a 16 percent one.

The Tax Foundation, a center-right think tank that believes in giving conservative tax plans extremely generous "dynamic" scores, explains that Cruz's business tax is "often known as a subtraction-method value-added tax" and "its base is identical in economic terms to that of the credit-invoice VAT seen in many OECD countries."
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HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
1. FairTax -2.0
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:55 PM
Apr 2016
Ted's bone tossed to idle wealthy conservatives. It would eliminate their two biggies: The Estate Tax and the Capital Gains Tax, essentially giving them a relatively tax-free life compared to the middle/working/poor, who have too much month at the end of the money. Retirees would also get slaughtered by this, as their previously tax-free retirement is now subjected to a 30% consumption tax. And it WILL be 30%, no matter what TwisTed tells you.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
8. I'll say this - I'd be good with eliminating Cap Gains on securities if 16% was paid up front
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:54 PM
Apr 2016

As for the rest of it -- if we want a truly "Fair Tax" -- tax property, not sales or income.

I'm not saying I think this is the best idea, but I'd be willing to discuss a 2 to 5% national sales tax in exchange for eliminating income tax and withholding on those making $50K and under, and discussing a flatter, less loophole-filled income tax for the upper brackets.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
2. If Cruz is pushing it you can be sure it will impact the lower income pople disproportionately...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:00 PM
Apr 2016
Don't Buy the Sales Tax

If households are classified by annual income, the sales tax is sharply regressive. Under the AFT proposal, taxes would rise for households in the bottom 90 percent of the income distribution, while households in the top 1 percent would receive an average tax cut of over $75,000. If households are classified by consumption level, a somewhat different pattern emerges. Households in the bottom two-thirds of the distribution would pay less than currently, households in the top third would pay more. Still, households at the very top would pay much less, again receiving a tax cut of about $75,000. There appears to be little sound motivation for heaping huge tax cuts on precisely the groups whose income and wealth have benefitted the most from recent events, and raising burdens significantly on others.

http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/1998/03/taxes-gale

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
9. It would also kill families
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:57 PM
Apr 2016

Think about it. Today, families with the added expenses of kids get a sizable income tax break that helps offset those expenses. Now, not only aren't you getting the break, but you are being charged tax on all of those diapers, kids clothes, and school supplies.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
4. Can you imagine what an almost 20% Value added tax
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:44 PM
Apr 2016

on every purchase - food, medicine, gasoline, etc. - would do to the average American's pocketbook?

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
5. . . . while the wealthy are no longer subject to Capital Gains and Estate taxes . . .
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:49 PM
Apr 2016

. . . essentially giving them a tax-free existence on the backs of the middle/working/poor?

How any middle/working/poor person thinks this is a great idea makes me wonder what the hell their media is teaching them.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
7. Sadly. because many of them never think about it at all. They
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:51 PM
Apr 2016

just turn to Faux News (or Rush or Hannity or Levin, etc.) to hear how they should think about it and how they should vote.

meow2u3

(24,767 posts)
6. Do you think Cruz CARES what a high VAT would do to the average American?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:49 PM
Apr 2016

We don't count is his parallel universe--only the wealthy! As far as he's concerned, we're not even human!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
10. paying more in taxes isn't the issue. If we had a single payer health care system
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:59 PM
Apr 2016

like in European countries where they pay more in taxes to have everyone covered with health care it would be worth it. Also free college educations for those who want it and free technical schools for those who prefer it. Free day care for the working parents. all of these things are covered in Western European countries.

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