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think

(11,641 posts)
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:39 AM Apr 2016

Break up the banks, says Minneapolis Fed chief

Break up the banks, says Minneapolis Fed chief

Adam Samson in New York - February 16, 2016 6:12 pm


America’s biggest banks pose a potentially “nuclear” threat to the US economy and regulators should consider breaking them up, according to the new head of the Minneapolis Federal Reserve.

Neel Kashkari, who was a key architect of Wall Street’s 2008 bailout, said the largest US lenders remain “too big too fail”. He said in his first public comments since becoming the head of the Minneapolis Fed at the start of the year that efforts to regulate the big banks since the financial crisis had not gone far enough.

A break-up should be on the table, alongside a plan to turn the largest into public utilities by “forcing them to hold so much capital that they virtually can’t fail”, he said. Taxing leverage throughout the financial system to “reduce systemic risks wherever they lie” should be considered as well, he added.

Mr Kashkari said that the largest financial institutions “continue to pose a significant, ongoing risk to our economy”. He unveiled a task force at the Minneapolis Fed designed to examine ways to make the financial system safer.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9f13e542-d4cd-11e5-8887-98e7feb46f27.html#axzz44xH5arxD
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Break up the banks, says Minneapolis Fed chief (Original Post) think Apr 2016 OP
Oh, Bernie doesn't know what he's talking about! Human101948 Apr 2016 #1
Yep. Lot of bullshit being spread in that thread. /nt think Apr 2016 #2
Not visionary. Sensible, and we've done it before. Hortensis Apr 2016 #10
Your links argue that Bernie's ideas are not as radical as they may originally seem beastie boy Apr 2016 #14
History provides us with wisdom, Grasshopper! Human101948 Apr 2016 #15
Roosevelt's economic advisers were overwhelmingly hardcore Keynesians. beastie boy Apr 2016 #16
Some were Keynesians some were not... Human101948 Apr 2016 #20
Roosevelt was not a Keynesian when he ran. But most of his economic advisers were beastie boy Apr 2016 #23
Why does he keep calling it a mistake? JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #3
I would assume if he accused the banks of direct malfeasance he wouldn't be in his current position think Apr 2016 #4
Yeah - either that or after he's done with this job JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #7
Spot on :) The Teller Window. Now that's funny think Apr 2016 #8
Hillary is not going to like this... Herman4747 Apr 2016 #5
Hillary's refusal to support Glass Steagall speaks volumes on where she stands in regards to think Apr 2016 #6
Wonder what's so amusing between those two? SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #21
This is from 2013 the Dallas Fed.......................warning signs are everywhere............ turbinetree Apr 2016 #9
I've never seen this before. And this is by the president of the Dallas Federal Reserve Bank think Apr 2016 #11
The problem this article is discussing is that our 6 big banks jwirr Apr 2016 #19
Uh oh. How long before he wakes up with a horse head in his bed? marmar Apr 2016 #12
Hopefully there will be no horsing around.... think Apr 2016 #13
Kick and R BeanMusical Apr 2016 #17
Don't, says the Establishment. n/t Orsino Apr 2016 #18
The problem the bailout made worse... freebrew Apr 2016 #22
^ Wilms Apr 2016 #24
and that's Kashkari, the Republican who ran the stupidest campaign in California history MisterP Apr 2016 #25
 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
1. Oh, Bernie doesn't know what he's talking about!
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:49 AM
Apr 2016

My fellow DUers are so concerned that Bernie doesn't have a policy paper in his head--

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1649233

Neither did FDR--

Those who believe that the politics of Bernie Sanders are too visionary to be accepted today should remember the political victories of FDR, and ask themselves why some recent polling suggests that Sanders would win a landslide against Republican Donald Trump in 2016 — as FDR won his landslide in 1936.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/268396-on-banks-sanders-sounds-like-fdr

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. Not visionary. Sensible, and we've done it before.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:59 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:19 PM - Edit history (1)

I remember when Bank of America was only allowed to operate in three states and was outraged that so many people sat on their fingers or voted in support of taking the leash off. Those who did deserve whatever they got as a result, but our nation needs to do better for the sake of the innocent and everyone to come.

The argument isn't that breaking up banks is undesirable, but that many more reforms must take place and that Bernie's plan should be broader than it is. Breaking up the banks is an emphatic, desirable move, but we could break up the banks all day long and the financial system's power to control and disrupt our economy would continue anyway. It's not the opening move under Hillary's plan, but it is on the table for everyone who wants financial reform.

Here's Elizabeth Warren on “the Unfinished Business of Financial Reform.”
http://billmoyers.com/2015/04/18/elizabeth-warren-speech/
She wants to break up the banks, but it's down there a ways because her list is significantly longer than just that.

beastie boy

(9,408 posts)
14. Your links argue that Bernie's ideas are not as radical as they may originally seem
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:23 AM
Apr 2016

There is nothing there to show, either by analogy to FDR or with Bernie's own record, how or whether he can accomplish what he says he wants to accomplish.

And judging by the Daily News piece, he hasn't the faintest clue.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
15. History provides us with wisdom, Grasshopper!
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:52 AM
Apr 2016

Roosevelt’s advisers, who had no clearly defined strategy of their own for dealing with the banking crisis, seemed content to remain vague until their boss moved into the White House.

http://www.federalreservehistory.org/Events/DetailView/22

beastie boy

(9,408 posts)
16. Roosevelt's economic advisers were overwhelmingly hardcore Keynesians.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:04 AM
Apr 2016

Of course they had a clearly defined strategy to deal with both the banking crisis and the economic crisis in general.

Who are Bernie's advisers?

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
20. Some were Keynesians some were not...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:32 AM
Apr 2016
Roosevelt believed that a balanced budget was important to instill confidence in consumers, business, and the markets, which would thus encourage investment and economic expansion. As the economy recovered, tax revenues would increase making budget balancing even easier. This traditional view that deficits were bad was also supported by public opinion polls...

....Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau, Jr., and aides within the Treasury Department favored an approach that sought to balance the federal budget. But other advisers in the President's inner circle, including Harry Hopkins, Marriner Eccles, and Henry Wallace, had accepted the recent theories of British economist John Maynard Keynes

http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/aboutfdr/budget.html


Fortunately Roosevelt realized his beliefs were not the best for the country

beastie boy

(9,408 posts)
23. Roosevelt was not a Keynesian when he ran. But most of his economic advisers were
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:13 PM
Apr 2016

And he turned around fairly quickly.

From your source:

To balance our budget in 1933 or 1934 or 1935 would have been a crime against the American people. To do so we should either have had to make a capital levy that would have been confiscatory, or we should have had to set our face against human suffering with callous indifference. When Americans suffered, we refused to pass by on the other side. Humanity came first.


In any event, this addresses Roosevelt. What about Bernie? Who are his economic advisers? It is well established that he wants to break up the big banks. We know he wants to reinstate Glass-Steagal. No problem with that.

The problem is: how many allies in Congress does he have to pass any legislation as controversial (in Congress) as Glass-Steagal? If by some miracle it is reinstated, is separating commercial banks from investment banks sufficient to achieve Bernie's goal? If by some miracle it is sufficient, what effects on the economy, either positive or negative, can be anticipated and how would they managed?

You may have some answers to this, but with all due respect, you ain't running for President. I would like to hear from Bernie on this.

And he ain't talking.

JustAnotherGen

(31,869 posts)
3. Why does he keep calling it a mistake?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:09 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/9f13e542-d4cd-11e5-8887-98e7feb46f27.html#axzz44xMWgS6y
Back on February 2016 - (your article you linked)


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Banks must be allowed to make mistakes, “even very big mistakes”, Mr Kashkari said in a speech at the Brookings Institution in Washington. But when they do, they should not require taxpayer bailouts or trigger “widespread economic damage”.


Further down -

Mr Kashkari warned that currently if an individual bank runs into trouble at a time when the wider economy and financial system are healthy, policymakers should be able to avoid the failure cascading into broader crisis. However, if one or more institutions struggle against a backdrop of weakness for the wider economy, regulators, “will be forced to bail out failing institutions” as they were during the financial crisis.

“We know markets make mistakes; that is unavoidable in an innovative economy. But these mistakes cannot be allowed to endanger the rest of the country,” he said.


There was nothing OOPSIE DAISY about it. It was deliberate. Every single bond bet against was DELIBERATE. ARMS were DELIBERATE. He thinks we are all new and are falling for his Goldman Sachs bullshit.

I want to know What Is In IT For Him?

He didn't all of a sudden become a goody goody two shoes.




Bloomberg article on Mr Kashkari - back in 2014 when he was running for something . . .

Neel Kashkari Wants to Be a New Kind of Republican
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-05-29/california-governors-race-neel-kashkari-dons-new-republican-mantle

*Kashkari is here because he says he believes charter schools are among the solutions to the state’s education problems. He has crunched the data, run the numbers, and concluded there are two issues Californians care most about: jobs and education.

*Kashkari is not prone to sentimentality, yet he sounds wistful about the three years he spent in Washington working closely with Secretary of the Treasury Henry Paulson. While there, he implemented various financial relief programs known by their acronyms: TSLF (Term Securities Lending Facility), PDCF (Primary Dealer Credit Facility), and, of course, TARP (Troubled Asset Relief Program). He has no doubt these staved off another Great Depression. “I realized I’m not motivated by money,” he says of that period. “We showered in the office, we were sleeping in our offices, we worked 20 hours a day, we were totally focused … The three years I spent in Washington were the most rewarding time of my life. We did really important work for the American people


I figured it out - he sees Minnesota as a path to the White House in 2020. And he's also watching the bonds against oil/gas and private student loans. Like everyone else is. He's not special - his buddies at Goldman Sachs - someone tipped him off so he probably knows precisely what bonds have been packaged and rates AAA that are -zzzzz.


 

think

(11,641 posts)
4. I would assume if he accused the banks of direct malfeasance he wouldn't be in his current position
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:15 AM
Apr 2016

too long. JMO...

JustAnotherGen

(31,869 posts)
7. Yeah - either that or after he's done with this job
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:38 AM
Apr 2016

He won't get hired back on Wall Street in an investment bank. . . to the teller window for you! (not you - him )

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
5. Hillary is not going to like this...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:20 AM
Apr 2016

...after all, the big banks are the ones who pay her off:


Hillary with one of her good buddies

 

think

(11,641 posts)
6. Hillary's refusal to support Glass Steagall speaks volumes on where she stands in regards to
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:26 AM
Apr 2016

Wall Street corruption and keeping the American economy safe.

turbinetree

(24,713 posts)
9. This is from 2013 the Dallas Fed.......................warning signs are everywhere............
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:58 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.dallasfed.org/news/speeches/fisher/2013/fs130116.cfm


Honk-----------------foir a political revolution Bernie 2016

 

think

(11,641 posts)
11. I've never seen this before. And this is by the president of the Dallas Federal Reserve Bank
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:03 AM
Apr 2016

Thank you for posting.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
19. The problem this article is discussing is that our 6 big banks
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:22 AM
Apr 2016

should be broken up into smaller banks (like they used to be) because they are "too big to fail". But the issue is not that they are big but that being big they are a danger to the world economy.

When one fails they run a huge risk of pulling the others down with them. That is where we were at in 2008. It was vitally necessary for the bailout because if we had not the world economy would have crashed and we would have found ourselves in another Great Depression.

Nothing has been done to protect us from that. The only thing that can be done is bring back Glass-Steagall to protect the accounts of individuals and then to return to smaller banks. It does not mean that a bank will not fail but if it does they will not be big enough to bring down the entire world economy.

I think the big banks do not like this idea because it has to do with the lose of power and nothing to do with the lose of money they hold.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
22. The problem the bailout made worse...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:40 AM
Apr 2016

congress, in their infinite wisdom, gave $$$ to the bankers and investment firms that screwed-up royally.

Instead, the $$$ should have gone to the victiims of predatory loans, those that got fired/laid-off as a result of
the screwed-up bank policies.
Mortgages could have been paid, thus 'bailing out' the banks by saving people instead of victimizing them.

The way it was done reeks of under-handed RW conspiracies to hand tax-payer $$$ to the .001% and still evict
the 'deadbeats' that they screwed in the first place.

Tar, feathers and guillotines are too good for these assholes.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
25. and that's Kashkari, the Republican who ran the stupidest campaign in California history
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:16 AM
Apr 2016

whacking a plastic train while toddlers cried in shock; he looks like a guy who's just realized he's lost a Sankara Stone and ain't getting it back

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