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MerryBlooms

(11,771 posts)
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:17 PM Apr 2016

North Carolina Just Lost 400 Jobs Because Of Its Anti-LGBT Law

PayPal announced Tuesday morning that it has abandoned its plans for a massive global operations center, which would have brought 400 new jobs to Charlotte, North Carolina. The company was unequivocal that the decision was made because of the state’s passage of HB2, a sweeping law that blocks cities from enacting LGBT nondiscrimination protections and mandates that transgender people use the wrong bathrooms for their gender identities.

CEO Dan Schulman explained in a statement that “the new law perpetuates discrimination and it violates the values and principles that are at the core of PayPal’s mission and culture.”

Schulman asserted that the decision to not proceed with the Charlotte center “is a clear and unambigous one” that reflects the company’s “deepest values and our strong belief that every person has the right to be treated equally, and with dignity and respect.” Because PayPal’s employees would not have equal rights under North Carolina law, employing them there is “simply untenable.”

The move by PayPal is the latest in an ever-growing backlash against the state for rushing through the discriminatory law — lawmakers passed it in a single calendar day as retribution for Charlotte passing LGBT nondiscrimination protections.


http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2016/04/05/3766501/paypal-north-carolina/

Good to see PayPal and other companies stepping up for what's right.
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North Carolina Just Lost 400 Jobs Because Of Its Anti-LGBT Law (Original Post) MerryBlooms Apr 2016 OP
You're looking at it the wrong way Orrex Apr 2016 #1
! MerryBlooms Apr 2016 #2
What the NC legislature did wasn't Christian at all. mwooldri Apr 2016 #4
I respect that, but... Orrex Apr 2016 #5
Yes! So true. n/t prayin4rain Apr 2016 #18
But very much in line with the majority of theirs whatthehey Apr 2016 #7
Teabagger governor preparing press conference to say exactly that on evening news. yardwork Apr 2016 #9
Seriously? Orrex Apr 2016 #11
I'll let you know, but basically, yeah. yardwork Apr 2016 #15
Good conservative Christians should boycott corporations IronLionZion Apr 2016 #26
Let's hope more companies follow suit. smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #3
These guys--McCrory and his merry band of bigots backed by Art Pope--are never going to change mnhtnbb Apr 2016 #6
This. n/t ms liberty Apr 2016 #19
K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #28
Good on Paypal jonks2746 Apr 2016 #8
Recommended! HuckleB Apr 2016 #10
So this must also mean they are closing their software development center in India gd770226 Apr 2016 #12
Doh! Orrex Apr 2016 #13
Hehe. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #14
Companies don't do this to be moral or fair. It's a hardnosed business decision. yardwork Apr 2016 #20
Have you ever seen an Indian software development team? IronLionZion Apr 2016 #27
No I haven't so can I get the answer? Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #31
"Women don't do technology" is largely an American cultural notion IronLionZion Apr 2016 #32
Thank you - I did not know that Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #33
If there are any remaining smart people in North Carolina . . . DrBulldog Apr 2016 #16
Thanks, but I prefer to stay in my home and fight. My family and job are here. yardwork Apr 2016 #21
K&R! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #29
A message from our Founder & CEO... geologic Apr 2016 #17
Pretty moving iandhr Apr 2016 #22
Those would be decent paying jobs too LynneSin Apr 2016 #23
I guess now NC will welcome Chick-fil-A and Hobby Lobby with open arms and incentives. The majority RKP5637 Apr 2016 #30
NC Gov. McCrory and the GOP legislature passed the anti-LGBT law and probably will pass more NCjack Apr 2016 #24
Pay-Pal operates in countries 840high Apr 2016 #25

Orrex

(63,220 posts)
1. You're looking at it the wrong way
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:22 PM
Apr 2016

NC didn't lose jobs because of its Bronze Age anti-LGBT law; it lost jobs because a bunch of corporate PC hitmen and social justice warriors are trying to force their godless, Liberal agenda against the will of the good Christians of North Carolina.

Get it right!

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
4. What the NC legislature did wasn't Christian at all.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:54 PM
Apr 2016

I know you were being sarcastic to a point but their decision isn't exactly in line with my interpretation of my faith.

Orrex

(63,220 posts)
5. I respect that, but...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:55 PM
Apr 2016

I'm confident that it's exactly in line with their interpretation, and therein lies the problem with letting religion inform public policy.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
7. But very much in line with the majority of theirs
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:16 PM
Apr 2016

And, given the requisite re-election probabilities, the majority of the voters. And since the folks who detailed what your faith stands for in writing left plenty of stuff in there vindicating both positions and many in between, who can say that they are not both genuinely motivated by it and correct in their interpretation?

IronLionZion

(45,516 posts)
26. Good conservative Christians should boycott corporations
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:33 PM
Apr 2016

no purchasing their products, no investing in their stocks, and no working for those godless heathens.


 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
3. Let's hope more companies follow suit.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:29 PM
Apr 2016

The only way these guys will ever change is to hit them where it hurts.

mnhtnbb

(31,402 posts)
6. These guys--McCrory and his merry band of bigots backed by Art Pope--are never going to change
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:58 PM
Apr 2016

What we can do is GOTV in NC and boot them out of office in November. Send them to crawl back under their rocks,
and hopefully, not have to deal with them for at least another 100 years.

 

gd770226

(35 posts)
12. So this must also mean they are closing their software development center in India
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:08 PM
Apr 2016

So I assume that means they will be closing up their software dev. shop in India as well because of how India treats it's women.

yardwork

(61,700 posts)
20. Companies don't do this to be moral or fair. It's a hardnosed business decision.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:09 PM
Apr 2016

Paypal recognizes that it will be more difficult to recruit good employees in a state that has just legalized discrimination. They can just as easily move their planned new site to a state that doesn't allow discrimination and segregation.

Also, this gives Paypal the opportunity to be on the same side as most of their customers over a controversial issue, for which they will receive "good will" - a highly valuable commodity. I'm sure that their own market research shows that the average Paypal customer is likely to disapprove of HB2 and other reactionary right-wing extremist laws. For the handful of people who cancel their Paypal accounts because of this decision, they will get lots and lots of approval from people more likely to be their customers.

Paypal won't have problems recruiting in India. It's not about "fairness." It's about business.

The same cold business calculations went into the decisions of over 120 other CEOs and founders to sign a letter stating that they disapprove of North Carolina's discriminatory law. It remains to be seen what more they will do, though.

Whatever it takes. Thank goodness that it's now good business not to discriminate, at least in the U.S.

IronLionZion

(45,516 posts)
27. Have you ever seen an Indian software development team?
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:42 PM
Apr 2016

Compare any Indian software development center with any US-born software development center and guess which one has significantly more % women workers in technical jobs. It's not even close.

IronLionZion

(45,516 posts)
32. "Women don't do technology" is largely an American cultural notion
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:18 AM
Apr 2016

Indian software teams generally have around 30-50% women in tech roles. Tech is known for being accessible and more equal opportunity for more types of people in India since staffing is based on skills and certifications.

That's not the case in America where girls in school are often told to pursue other types of careers.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
33. Thank you - I did not know that
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:40 PM
Apr 2016

I have a highly technical computer job and we just got the first woman in our unit of 12 people since the company was founded in the sixties. My boss said he was embarrassed by that and hired a less qualified person because he wanted to integrate our unit. I always wondered if women just didn't go into tech fields, or was it pure discrimination.

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
16. If there are any remaining smart people in North Carolina . . .
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:53 PM
Apr 2016

. . . they should come to Oregon and live as real involved thriving Americans again.

Vote always by mail, never any waiting.
Motor-voter registration.
$14.75 minimum wage.
Free community college.
Top 4 state administrative officers are Democratic women.
Solid Democratic majorities in both state houses.
Booming economy in many sectors.
No fracking, period.
All coal power to be removed in the next decade.
13 climatic regions - take your pick.
Outstanding livability ratings.
The American Dream is alive and well here.
No regressive sales tax that punishes the poor.
One of the special areas of the world predicted to be least affected by climate change.
Tornados? What's a tornado?
And ... LGBT people have the same full rights and responsibilities as heterosexuals.

yardwork

(61,700 posts)
21. Thanks, but I prefer to stay in my home and fight. My family and job are here.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:11 PM
Apr 2016

I enjoy my job. My family is here. It's not that easy to pick up stakes and move across the country. I'm sure that Oregon is a lovely state with wonderful people. I have friends who live in Oregon and they love it. But I have to stay here and fight.

 

geologic

(205 posts)
17. A message from our Founder & CEO...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:00 PM
Apr 2016

Today, I take the unusual step of sending you a personal message. Perhaps you, like millions of others, have heard that North Carolina's recent passage of House Bill 2 - which has been called the worst anti-LGBT bill in the United States - has provoked an outpouring of public concern. Among other things, HB2 bars cities, towns, and counties from prohibiting discrimination of any kind and makes clear that LGBT people may legally be singled out for unfair treatment in the workplace, housing, and public accommodations.

What does this have to do with you? The reaction to North Carolina's passage of HB2 on March 23rd has been swift and strongly in opposition. Calls for boycotts of our state have been answered by individuals and businesses who will not attend the $5.38 billion, 600,000 visitor High Point furniture market this April and, more generally, by the State of New York, the City of Seattle, and others. Amidst this deep concern, which I share, I want to make one thing clear: Replacements, Ltd. affirms the dignity and beauty of each and every person. You will always be warmly welcomed at Replacements, Ltd.

You may know that I'm gay. One year ago, I married Dale Frederiksen, with whom I've shared my life for 27 years. Together, we have raised twin sons we adopted as infants in Vietnam. In July, our boys will be 17. Last summer, we added another teenager, a Nigerian scholar-athlete, to our household. Growing up on a small tobacco farm in rural North Carolina during the 1950s and 1960s and during my 3 years of active duty service in the United States Army, I never dreamt I could be openly gay and successful, much less that I could have a family of my own. My experience of feeling like an outcast opened my eyes and my heart to all who have been judged for being different. While acceptance of people like me and families like mine has grown - and I am grateful - transgender people today face obstacles similar to those I saw first-hand generations ago. At Replacements, Ltd., we are very fortunate to employ a number of extraordinarily talented people who are transgender. These people are like family to me. And having known and worked with many transgender friends over the years, I see in each a reflection of myself. The thought of being afraid to share space with any one of those good people is hard for me to understand, based on my personal experiences. If you had the opportunity to meet any one of them, I bet you'd feel the same way.

Again, as long-standing advocates for fair treatment, diversity, and inclusion, North Carolina-based Replacements, Ltd. will welcome you with open arms.

Bob Page
Founder & CEO
REPLACEMENTS, LTD.

==============


LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
23. Those would be decent paying jobs too
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:46 PM
Apr 2016

That's what these governors fail to recognize. The jobs they will lose are going to be good paying jobs and thus put their economy in a tailspin.

Idiots.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
30. I guess now NC will welcome Chick-fil-A and Hobby Lobby with open arms and incentives. The majority
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:34 AM
Apr 2016

of extremely talented people I knew in high tech would never step foot in NC now for a job. These damn fools are destroying NC.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
24. NC Gov. McCrory and the GOP legislature passed the anti-LGBT law and probably will pass more
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:29 PM
Apr 2016

garbage laws to bring out the lazy RW voters for the U.S. congressional primary on June 7th and the General Election in November. The objective is retain Republicans in state and federal offices to defend their garbage laws against termination by Democrats. That's how the GOP plays hate politics in the South.

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