She does not know how to fight, period.

. . .or starting some bitch and whine movement right now over this recall election is politically smart and promising . . . YOU don't know how to fight.

We'll lay this stinking mess right at the DNC feet.

and let's not assume we lose then, especially as the LGBT community knows they do not want Mitt in the White House.

it's delusional and bewilderingly counterproductive. The only folks advantaged by such a boneheaded strategy will be the folks in the opposition who have been calling for Ms. Wasserman's head from day one. You'd gain absolutely nothing and actually make the party look weak and indecisive.

Remember, you're in good company in making our Democratic National Committee chairwoman the target of your political ire.

https://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=ABG&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=republicans+charge+wasserman+&oq=republicans+charge+wasserman+&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=serp.3...552637.552637.0.556217.1.1.0.0.0.0.991.991.6-1.1.0...0.0.z8f30AsM030

I think I'll take the governor who has known his people in Vermont for many years, and have been known to work with both sides well, AND doesn't take no bullshit for an answer, vs a milequetoast, confirmed DLC neophyte woman who doesn't know how to squeeze balls, get people excited about candidates.

Dean's 50 state strategy worked in 2006 and proved it again, by getting Obama elected in 2008. His gift for his hard work? A boot in the ass in favor for DLC-type chairman.

. . . but, you go on and stir the pot some more. That 'oughta show her!

she can dish it when she needs to. But now I'm not sure. But whatever happens now is not the time to boot her. We need not show panic in the streets. I hate the way dems throw each other under the bus.

If I found out that one of my chef's couldn't cook well enough to handle the Wedding months, and it's September, and knowing that my business is dependent upon the holiday parties and corporate gatherings to keep us in business next year.. Let's see...hmmm.. Should I keep him until after the New Years Eve bonanza.. Or, should cut my loses, and get another well qualified proven Chef early enough to train him to my menus, and give him all the support needed to make the adjustments NOW!

There are a plethora of professional leaders in the ranks of our party that have been proven under fire in their present jobs to step in right NOW! If Debbie was the leader that really did make the policy that handled this Wisconsin strategy, then fry her today and make the change needed.. Remember though IS she the one that really planed this strategy????

my mother a great cook at home always said to many hands in the soup can spoil it. Food for thought dadchef, just food for thought.

Like it doesn't already? The party is a disaster. It's not only the Repiblicans who are enabling the worst elements of American society rule. The national Democratic party is just about equally complicit.

In a Florida congressional race, she heaped so much praise on the wicked (R) Ginnie Brown-Waite, that the only words she didn't use were "I endorse". She never so much as lifted a finger to benefit or praise a progressive.

As co-chair of the Red to Blue Committee she refused any financial support to a progressive Dem running against Brown-Waite. IOWs, Republicans are allies of the DLC and progressives Dems are the enemy.

Especially the ones running against the fascist Diaz-Ballart brothers, Ros-Lehtinen, or Ginny Brown-Waste, because, they were her "friends".

leading the DNC.

My bad.

Debbie Wasserman Shulz picture thread!!!

and reminiscent of a second grader.

Congratulations.

PTxS

and replacing him with Tim Kaine had to have been some kind of sick inside joke...

If we lose the Senate, it may well be because Tim Kaine loses his race to a blithering racist idiot who was already booted by the electorate once from a Senate seat and remains generally disliked by about 2/3 of the population. In a state the President may win re-election safely, Tim Kaine is in-danger of losing to a bigot whose defining qualities are:

1.) Being a racist.
2.) Thinks George W. Bush was a great president and wants to restore/maintain Bush-era policies.

How one loses to George Allen I do not understand. If Kaine does lose to Allen, it's time to seriously consider the demise of relevancy of the corporatist-bloc within the Democratic Party. They drag us right and despite all their protestations, they can't win tough races in moderate or conservative states and districts any more than liberals or mainstream moderates can.

He was god-awful as DNC chair and he's the type of Repub-lite who gets in office only because the real repub was too batshit crazy for the voters...

Dean did not pan out as a candidate, but he is impressive in his ability to organize.
I actually miss the guy.

Party chair is strictly a fundraising position as far as their concerned.

Terry McAuliffe was worthless when it came to winning strategy or shaping party values. He was, however, a good fundraiser and that made him practically impossible to get rid of.

Remember how difficult it was for Dean to get the job in the first place? He knew how to win and get a message across but for some reason upper echelon people in the party seemed to want him gone from day one.

I think Wasserman is safe where she is. Especially after yesterday.

I liked the clapping smiley nonetheless

when I thought she was really terrific and a great Lefty. But then, she became head of the DCCC and became a DNC Democrat. I clearly recall watching her and wondering, "WTF" happened here? She has lost the fire in the belly. I'm really getting disappointed in our National Dems. They are not living up to the standards I feel Dems should be living up to. On top of it, because of redistricting, our county is losing a strong Progressive in Paul Tonko and we will now be in the arms of the Teabagger, Gibson. OY VEY!!!

I heard a couple years ago about how she was supporting Republican buddies over liberal democrats.

Way before the DCCC.

Is Howard Dean in her district? Feingold? Edwards?

(Just kidding on that last one; hold your fire! )

Rather getting her out of the National position that she is NOT handling well.

of a democrat than debbie downer

thanks for the chucks...

How is that?

cuts. Fuck that.

Saw that Clinton was saying we need to extend all tax cuts, even for the wealthiest. He wants time to negotiate more tax cuts.....even for the wealthiest. Wtf?!

I've played that game before in local electoral politics...it's old-school dirty politics. You use a well-regarded prominent affable surrogate to constantly on a low boil say things that sound conciliatory to the other side's positions or even contradict the candidate in small ways that if you dig into are not contradictions at-all. Eventually, the other side gives credence and respect to that surrogate, hypes them as a voice of reason or someone to listen to...

then about 6 weeks before the election after the opposition has made your surrogate as credible (or more credible) with the voters leaning their way as their own surrogates, you drop the rock on opposition. Your surrogate immediately becomes prominently and vocally very on-message and connects what he had been saying directly to the campaign's message and shows that it was never contradictory at-all, it might have just been a bit more nuanced. Clinton's old hat at this game, he's been doing it for as long as he's been in politics. His not-on-message-ness makes him seem more genuine and connect better with people, it takes some of the polish off the sell. It's disarming and pretty soon people that never would have voted for the person he's surrogating for realize they agree more with him and his candidate than they do with the opposition they were planning to support.

Any Republican pointing to what the Big Dog is saying and planning or trying to use it against Obama is already snared in the honey-trap.

That is how I see it, too.

I hope the other person who responded saying this is a trap for Repubs is right. I will say that Clinton has serious political chops. I hope he uses them for good, not evil. I can never tell with him. He's done some stuff I absolutely hated, other things that were great. Who knows...

and it seems she was right. Obama is leading and favored to win there, though it'll be close. Walker won handily in his state govt fight.

State and federal are two different things.

for this election, playing right into the GOP meme.

She said the state election would not foretell the Presidential election or have any effect on it.

but watch how the liberal media treats this situation. We'll all hear how this election points out how vulnerable Obama is, how his support among blue collar white voters is very weak, and how this proves that states like Wisconsin are now in play.

Which is exactly why Wasserman Schultz and Obama should have gotten involved in the Walker recall a long time ago.

should be fighting to return to hand counted elections. I do not know anyone that has faith in the "proprietary" programmed election machines.

by Howard Dean's "yeeeeeehaaaawww" is simply wrong since it was proven to be a media manipulation. After they caused his rising star to plummet, they admitted turning down the screaming crowd sounds that Gov. Dean was trying to rise above. There is enough garbage floating without the good guys aiding and abetting by accident.

Especially as that yeehaw seems so quiet compared to the rumbling of fools.

causes another electoral defeat.
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Oh, our candidate lost? He/she wasn't conservative enough. Move to the right.

Oh, our candidate won? That means moving to the right works! Move further to the right.

Pretty soon the base is gone.

so sad to watch a train wreck in slow motion.

and all you have is a non event to criticize him with.

Times like this you need a pit bull not a puppy. 'nuff said.

nt

..paging Dr. Dean...

It's easier than thinking about the real issues. And it's also easier to think that someone like a Howard Dean would have made a difference in the outcome. Magical thinking won't make anything go away. Recalls are dangerous things, and this one probably never should have happened. The results last night were the same as the results two years ago. People are entrenched in their local politics.

Clearly, Wisconsin Democrats' combativeness didn't get them the votes they needed either.

It's past time that DNC was used more appropriately, teach people that Democratic principles are neither evil or communist.

It's more giving back to the people, than to give to the 1%'ers.

The younger generations are not capable of critical thinking and the attack on the education system and public unions and schools has taken its toll. A person that is well versed in critical thinking can tune out the massive money and adds spent to sway voters with reason and logic.

When scientific evidence is attacked with no logical reasoning other than disagreement it is hard for society to hold together.

The media outlets tampered with the audio, taking out the audience background that made his "yeeeeehaawwwwww" sound perfectly appropriate above the noise of the crowd.

Everything else has failed.

She talks a good talk on teevee, but when the rubber meets the road, so to speak, she, for some strange reason, suddenly loses steam and Republicans win. She seems to have a soft spot for Republicans rather than Democrats. After reading articles like the one below, I don't trust her to work in the best interest of the Democratic Party

Yes, she chose to protect her Republican friends from progressive Dem challangers. How does a person like that rise to DNC chair?

I doubt the RNC would put a Lincoln Chafee at the top of the RNC. Sometimes I wonder if the loud voices on the Left haven't been correct all along, that the two-party system is actually one, but sold as two to keep the gullible American masses quiet.

Need to have SOMEBODY to blame for Walker's *win* on and it might as well be the head of the national Democratic Party, right?

Thinking about the rule of thumb "don't listen to what I say, watch what I do" it is apparent. It was a pretty insensitive remark, especially to the Wisconsin Dems who had been working their heart out on the recall issue, to refer to this effort as a "dry run." Words do count.

Actions count more. I recently posted here on DU the question how could Romney possibly be running so close to Obama in Florida when so many seniors reside there. Seniors as a group there live in fear someone will alter Social Security and Medicare, to seniors' detriment. Why, I asked here, is this not a issue front and center in the Presidential race? A DU'er from Florida attributed this to Wasserman Schulz' lack of leadership on these issues. That suggests to me she is one of the Dems rumored to be in favor of reforming these social programs in capitulations with the Republicans.

Personally, I am a moderate to left-leaning Democrat, pretty leftist in fact. I identify myself as a proud liberal. As such, I do not think Wasserman Schulz and I are in the same ballpark.

Sam

and the few Democrats left in the state of Florida lean to the right. Basically, true, blue progressives are extremely rare. This is why I feel like a pin in the open sea, but I don't back down from what I believe in. My different perspective has helped people see an epiphany about themselves and how the Republican narrative doesn't jive with common every day realities.

Harmony Blue, turning Florida blue one step at at time.

We're just cursed with leadership that views progressives as the enemy that must be destroyed.

all levels of government in the state of Florida, But your point about poor leadership in Florida to capitalize on Democratic voters living here is a very astute point. Florida can easily be a blue state with proper leadership, but it simply isn't there when DLC types keep sabotaging any attempts of progressivism.

In Florida, you can get plenty of cash for your campaign if you run a pro-business, anti-union political platform. If you ran as an out-and-out liberal, you're simply going to paint a target on your back for wealthy business, trade, and banking interests throughout the state. At the very least, it would be a very uphill battle.

"There's more money to be had being a right wing Democrat than an FDR Democrat."

I'm going to borrow them.

When Florida has Rick "I will keep removing voters" Scott. Debbie has a load of targets to shoot at down here, easy ones.

for anyone who isn't hard left in the Dem Party based on these comments?

Boy...now do I feel awkward.

don't be surprised then the base finally packs up and leaves.

if you tell votes they have to be hard left or "get out", they will - and they'll run for the party with no leftists in there at all.

I think people need to face it. There are left-wing Dems, moderate Dems, and even a small faction of conservative Dems.

The DLC conservative Democrats running the Party for so long have told the left to sit down and shut up. Every time we lose they claim that it was the left that made them lose.

They've been forcing us out of the Party since the 1988 debacle, and maybe it's time we finally gave them what they want: a party without liberals. See how well that worked for the Democrats in 2010.

between left wing Dems and moderate Dems. As far as I know, moderate Dems are a sizeable bloc of the party - while the Conservative Dems are the smallest bunch of them especially after most of the Blue Dogs got thrown out. I know some people on here hate "working with the middle", but when the "middle" makes up a good sizeable bloc of your party, you gotta do what you gotta do.

because the left is ignored, unless they need someone to blame. Our concerns and issues get swept under the rug. For example: in the health care debate Single Payer wasn't even allowed within 500 miles of the table, let alone being on the table for discussion. And the Public Option (a cheap watered down alternative) was taken off the table in the opening rounds. Instead we wound up with a plan even more conservative than Bob Dole's 1996 health care plan.

The left has no seat at the table in the Democratic Party any more. And when you consider that what is seen as "left" today encompasses not only the real left but people who were considered moderate and even conservative Democrats 30 years ago before the Great Rightward Drift began, that means there is no seat at the table for the vast majority of the party.

So why do conservadems lead the party?

and don't challenge them.

Harry Reid should have been out on his ass as Majority Leader halfway through 2009, if not before. Max Baucus should never have been allowed to chair the committee drafting health care reform. People should have stood up to Obama when he named Kaine and then Wasserman-Schulz to head the party.

Just a guess, of course

and big health insurance money and making efforts to water down health care and wall street reform and push for corporate-written rules for trade, it COMPLETELY undercuts the argument that Republicans are the corporate party and that Democrats care about us little people. Voters who don't pay attention (i.e., the vast majority of voters) therefore can't tell the difference, declare "a pox on both your houses" and end up voting on the basis of who's got a bigger flag, or sounds more macho, or shares their religion, or has the cutest dimples, or some other bullshit.

DLCers who think we have to suck up to Wall Street because they are smarter and more realistic and know better have been destroying the party bit by bit for more than 20 years. And the Scott Walker debacle is even more proof. We can't even convince workers anymore that we have their backs and RepubliCONs don't when Scott Walker openly and publicly declares war on working poeple. And we NEVER will convince workers we have their backs until we actually DO have their backs and people like Rahm Fucking Emanuel and DWS are out on their ears.

which keeps dragging the Dems rightward...At what point do you decide to fucking pull it back in the other direction??

. . . eight years of Romney oughta do the trick! Good luck electing a dogcatcher with amount of support your splinter group will get.


Making DU Suck Since 2003

You can't convince the left to vote for Obama with logical policy arguments, so you have to resort to scare tactics.

Don't ask "what can we do that we're not." Don't ask "what problem do you have." Just say "you have nowhere else to go." And sooner or later people will get tired of that and just go.

The left is behind Obama this time, but sooner or later a lot of the left of the party is going to get sick of it and walk away. 2010 should have been a wake up call for you.

Don't play the fear card, try for reconciliation.

It's right in front of you, after all.

Second, know who you are talking to and talking about. I've been a Democratic Committeeman for over a decade. I've worked campaigns and fought hard here on the local level. I've struggled against the rightward drift of my party down here in the grass roots. And, yes, I've worked to build teams and coalitions.

I can safely wager I've done more to elect more Democrats than you or most people here on DU.

However, there is no way to form a coalition with someone who has no interest in working with you. This is something that President Obama learned too late in his quests to find "common ground" with the Republicans, who have no desire to actually work and compromise. And the attitude of "the left has nowhere to go" suggests that people like you have no interest in forming coalitions or working to build the party as well. The concerns of the left (and today the "left" includes a lot of people who were seen as moderates 30 years ago) don't need to be taken seriously because "they have nowhere to go."

As for one foot out the door, I prefer to see it as I have my foot IN the door to keep people like you from slamming it in my face.

Have you helped in GOTV? Have you phone-banked? Have you done anything other than vote? You belittled my contributions by saying I was just ranting on a message board without having a single idea what I've done, and continue to do, for this party.

You've made divisive remarks, basically telling me and other liberals that we're to blame if Romney wins, a common tactic used by the right wing of the party.

As for "legislative success," on matters that actually count there's been very little of it. We got a watered-down health care bill that won't survive the Court. We got Lily Ledbetter but with no teeth to enforce it. We got DADT repealed only after gay support of Democrats plunged by 15% and we lost the House. No jobs bill. No end to the Bush tax cuts. We got a lot of little, minor, ineffectual things but the important stuff ended up being killed not by Republicans but by Blue Dog Democrats who killed it in committees or by joining Republican filibusters. When we complain about it, we're just told "would you rather the Republicans had control?" Not "let's see how we can work to address your issues," not "let's shake things up so the obstructionists in our own party aren't in control." No, just "sit down and shut up."

And it's not just here. It's in the Party leadership, too. The common belief is that the Left has nowhere to go. Well, they went in 2010 and look what happened. They went to Nader in 2000 and we're still paying for it.

As for the "make DU suck," I apologized and deleted the remark. I still think that your photo threads don't add to the discussion.

when have you ever taken down your posts after someone complained, yet, a jury gave them a pass? Instead of nibbling away on the edges I decided to make a grand gesture and back all the way off. The short thread of our discussion now stands with the poster's criticism of me unanswered.

Here I am trying to reconcile with this poster by removing my confrontational posts, and here you are trying to stir shit up again. Is that your 'MO?'