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trumad

(41,692 posts)
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:40 PM Apr 2016

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, three quarters of minimum wage earners are 20 or older.

Again---I am stunned to see some here doing their best to diss the Progressives desire for a decent Living wage.

The overwhelming majority of low-wage earners who would receive a raise by restoring the minimum wage to its historic value are adults who spend their careers in frontline low-wage industries that make our economy run. Fast-growing low-wage jobs like home care are disproportionately held by female and older workers.

Contrary to stereotypes and the repeated claims of minimum wage opponents, the overwhelming majority of low-wage workers are adults, not teens, and they contribute a substantial portion of their households’ incomes. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, three quarters of minimum wage earners are 20 or older.

According to the Economic Policy Institute’s State of Working America, a stunning 35 million Americans – 26 percent of our workforce – earn less than $10.55 an hour.

The following table, courtesy of the Economic Policy Institute, shows the demographics of workers making less than $9.72 an hour:
http://www.raisetheminimumwage.com/pages/demographics
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According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, three quarters of minimum wage earners are 20 or older. (Original Post) trumad Apr 2016 OP
So in turn, that means 26% are making LESS than the 1968 real-dollar minimum. HughBeaumont Apr 2016 #1
Now to find out the source of the problem... TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2016 #20
Yep... and I hope those who support a living wage will support Bernie. demmiblue Apr 2016 #2
Why didn't they use the numbers from 4Q 2015 (the most recent available from BLS), instead of R.A. Ganoush Apr 2016 #3
The US seems to have some of the oldest 16 yr olds in the world. (n/t) Iggo Apr 2016 #4
Nice one. I see what you did there.... winstars Apr 2016 #5
it is simple logic hfojvt Apr 2016 #6
Indeed. Thanks for sharing. HuckleB Apr 2016 #7
Economic Policy Institute Report: Low-wage Workers Are Older Than You Think HuckleB Apr 2016 #8
Is the data in your link from 2009 as well? R.A. Ganoush Apr 2016 #10
They were supposed to have used data from 2014. HuckleB Apr 2016 #11
You would think they would have, but R.A. Ganoush Apr 2016 #12
This link? HuckleB Apr 2016 #15
That one is different than the OP's link R.A. Ganoush Apr 2016 #16
American exceptionalism denies the US to even place in Top 10 Countries LanternWaste Apr 2016 #9
A lot of the data--don't know about this article/source-- Igel Apr 2016 #13
Nearly half of all U.S. workers are making less than $15 per hour (as of last year) OnlinePoker Apr 2016 #14
One thing not mentioned.... pinqy Apr 2016 #17
I'm willing to bet with any odds that one poster isn't getting by at $8/hr part time. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #18
But... but...Babysitters! Kingofalldems Apr 2016 #19

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
1. So in turn, that means 26% are making LESS than the 1968 real-dollar minimum.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:43 PM
Apr 2016

It IS kind of telling how many people on here don't think ALL wages need to be raised. The employers have been ripping us off hand over fist since 1980 (or 1968, depending on who you ask).

demmiblue

(36,885 posts)
2. Yep... and I hope those who support a living wage will support Bernie.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:50 PM
Apr 2016

Funny that some "progressives" support a candidate who does not support a living wage.

Women and minorities are especially hard hit by the the "no we can't" attitude.

Perhaps this will open their eyes... probably not, though.

R.A. Ganoush

(97 posts)
3. Why didn't they use the numbers from 4Q 2015 (the most recent available from BLS), instead of
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:54 PM
Apr 2016

Digging back 7 years to 2009?

Its not like the data isn't there.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
6. it is simple logic
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:06 PM
Apr 2016

a proposal to increase the minimum wage by 10 or even 20% is reasonable. A proposal to increase it by 100% - far less reasonable.

Another reason is perhaps age and inflation.

I have spent much of my life working for far, far less than $10 an hour. Spent two years working at a factory for $5.40 an hour, then another year as a janitor for $5.50. Then got a huge raise to $7.15 an hour (had to change jobs to get it). Then worked for three years for less than $8.50 and no benefits as a temp. When I started my current job in 2002 it paid $10.69 an hour.

That was pretty good money in my eyes. It also seems like it was - not that long ago. So it still feels to me like even $9 an hour is - not that bad, $11 is pretty good, and $15 is very good.

Never mind too, that I also worked full time for seven years for far far less than minimum wage.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
8. Economic Policy Institute Report: Low-wage Workers Are Older Than You Think
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:19 PM
Apr 2016

88 Percent of Workers Who Would Benefit From a Higher Minimum Wage Are Older Than 20, One Third Are Over 40
http://www.epi.org/publication/wage-workers-older-88-percent-workers-benefit/

R.A. Ganoush

(97 posts)
10. Is the data in your link from 2009 as well?
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:43 PM
Apr 2016

I don't see where they pull the data from, but if its the same as the OP, its 7 years out of date.

This is the 4Q 2015 raw data for comparison. Haven't broken it down yet.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/wkyeng.t03.htm

R.A. Ganoush

(97 posts)
12. You would think they would have, but
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:56 PM
Apr 2016

The link on their chart goes to 2009 annual averages.

The link I posted doesn't show the exact same categories, but I didn't go into the database to pull an apples to apples chart yet. If I have time later I'll try to.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
15. This link?
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 04:11 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.epi.org/publication/bp357-federal-minimum-wage-increase/

It covers much more, and is linked to later assessments. Perhaps the CBO report from that time used the 2009 data, and that's why it's being discussed. It's not like it's something that should change dramatically.

R.A. Ganoush

(97 posts)
16. That one is different than the OP's link
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 04:20 PM
Apr 2016

That link has the BLS data from 2009.

Your link is from 2013, and the methodology refers to calculations done in 2011. Could be why.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
9. American exceptionalism denies the US to even place in Top 10 Countries
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:21 PM
Apr 2016

American exceptionalism denies the US to even place in the Top 10 Countries with Highest Minimum wages.

But there's always a super-duper, star-spangled awesome-sauce reason why it's not practical within our own set of imaginary, faith-based red and blue lines.

Igel

(35,356 posts)
13. A lot of the data--don't know about this article/source--
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:57 PM
Apr 2016

includes agricultural workers and waiters earning tips.

I assume that the disabled who get paid by the piece are also included. (There's the argument that many of them shouldn't be--if your disability causes you to need frequent breaks for anger management or you work at 10% the able-bodied rate, employment becomes a problem.)

Here's 2014 data sliced and diced all sorts of ways.

http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/cps/characteristics-of-minimum-wage-workers-2014.pdf

OnlinePoker

(5,725 posts)
14. Nearly half of all U.S. workers are making less than $15 per hour (as of last year)
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 04:05 PM
Apr 2016

That to me is a stat that hasn't gotten a lot of coverage in the push for $15. Here is a good article from Fortune last year with a breakdown of the demographics of those earning less than $15 per hour.

http://fortune.com/2015/04/13/who-makes-15-per-hour/

pinqy

(596 posts)
17. One thing not mentioned....
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 07:46 AM
Apr 2016

...is that tips are not included in the figures of those making minimum wage or less.

Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers

The estimates of workers paid at or below the federal minimum wage are based solely on the hourly wage they report (which does not include overtime pay, tips, or commissions.)

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
18. I'm willing to bet with any odds that one poster isn't getting by at $8/hr part time.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 07:50 AM
Apr 2016

But they sure rail against a decent living wage.

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