A lot of bad stuff.

It's a puzzlement, to be sure.

Of stupid.

There's a LOT of amazing people in the south - I grew up there - but for the life of me I personally don't know why they stay.

I left in the late 60s and felt like a refugee. I've had great friends from the south since then but they'd also left and felt like refugees. I also know people who left and went back because they couldn't handle the culture shock.

Part of the problem is that they're hanging on to a glorious past that never was, except for a few of the richest plantation and slave owners.

I'll be the one retiring and moving further away from FL.

"Heaven for men and dogs, hell for women and horses." My mother despised it. My dad thought it was where good people go when they die. I thought it was a bug infested steam bath.

Thats pretty funny.

Smart, but funny.

The percentage of agnostics and atheists correlates with lower teen pregnancies, higher educational attainment, and just about everything else progressive.

is a part of many protestant religions. And it judges people by their visible blessings - wealth, health, success etc.

So the rich man goes to church and learns that he is good because he is rich - God blessed him. And he believes it. When he votes he votes for more blessing for himself and less blessings for the bad guys.

The poor man goes to church and learns that he is sinful and unclean because God has not blessed him. And he believes it. When the poor man goes to vote he votes like the rich man and the church tell him to because he does not believe he deserves any help.

And so nothing gets better.

intersting

And consistently.

Went for a Demorcratic for Presedent?

And that have voted dem in large numbers for decades.

Who voted in the primarys

But I don't understand your reasoning here. First you ask when the last time a Democrat has won Mississippi and then you talk about the primary. Hillary had never won Mississippi in a presidential election. So her winning Mississippi in the primary makes her a republican or something? Hasn't every other Mississippi Democratic primary been won by a Democrat, or does Mississippi regularly vote for Republicans in their Democratic primary?

I don't get your point.

The OP is about info on Southern States, yes I know Hillary won a lot of those states in this years primaries that is not what I am talking about. Even though Hillary won the primary the chances are those same states will vote in the General as the usually do not for a Democrat. Winning a Primary has little or no influence on how a State will end up voting this fall.

Red states seem to always take in more federal money than they dole out...

... in the south. I've been all over, the fathest being Germany. I live in Louisiana now because my son retired from the Air Force and they wanted us down here to be near the grandkids which we did as soon as it was possible.That's the only reason I would move from Razorback country to Louisiana . I am and always have been a liberal Democrat, and after having experienced living in the North and California, I can say with the utmost confidence that I wouldn't leave here and live there for all the tea in China. Some say the South is still trying to wage the Civil War, which is true for many down here, but I'm convinced it's really a mutual endeavor, and as long as the self-proclaimed Northern elite keep dumping on us it's not bound to end anytime soon. There are millions of us dems here, black, white, Latino, etc, who are happy living in the South, and would much rather it did end.

in the South in the 1930's. She left the south by the time she was 20 and never returned, nor did she ever want to. She worked hard at removing the "southern accent" and wanted nothing to do with what is referred to as "Southern Heritage". She abhored what the "South" stood for. She was a white southerner, also.

That being said, you can see many areas here in Ohio and also in Pennsylvania, West Virginia, New York that could just as well be in the South. I would refer to it as the Redneck Attitude which votes strictly based on the three "G's". Even in Maryland you have that "crowd" as well in the western part of the state and even somewhat on the eastern shore.

... But with all its faults I'm just the opposite. I love the South and couldn't see living anywhere else. I absolutely agree with your assessment about the redneck attitudes everywhere. What I do not like is the stereotypical impression people have concerning this region without regard to the piles of s*** in their own backyard.
( not directed towards you) Most of us don't want to "get out of here" as fast as we can. I sometimes wonder, for example, if some people believe that every POC who lives in the south is poor. They're not. They are doctors, lawyers, engineers, business people etcetera etcetera, and a great many without a doubt have the means to live wherever they please but they choose to live where they are happy. The South. Our problems, as demonstrated in the OP, are not something to parade around as confirmation of Northern superiority or something to look down on in order to make one feel better about themselves. They are problems that many of us are trying to overcome, but it's a long, hard road. I try to restrain myself and rarely comment in these types of threads, but every once in awhile.... you know?

Home is home. It's where you have been your entire life. I grew up in a state (not Maryland) where my family was a transplant. We had no relatives within 250 miles or even within that state. I left the state after college, spent 20 years in Connecticut followed by another ten in Maryland. I am now back in the state I grew up in, but have no connection to the state whatsoever. And the pizza sucks where I am now.

I really have no allegiance to any state. I guess that is why I can look at the whole north/south thing and say it's ok to enjoy the food of your region, but if it involves being a supporter of a treasonous gang of rebels 160 years ago, that's when I call BULLSHIT on the whole "Southern Heritage" What really sucks is you see the same bullshit up north. Why would anyone in the north be flying the traitorous flag the South. I just wish they could just move on and acknowledge they lost the war and just accept that "southern heritage" is about the food and drinks and not a flag that represents the oppression of a whole human race.

I have lived here in Louisiana for about a year-and-a-half now. In that year and a half I believe I have actually seen 3 Confederate flags. One on a motorcycle. One on a hat, and one on the back of a shirt. Wierd. Don't get me wrong . I'm from Arkansas and I have seen plenty of Confederate flags, but you would think in a year and a half I'd have seen a lot more than three here.
I also understand your point of view, which I acknowledged in my previous post, but I'm still of the firm opinion that there are two sides to the ongoing continuation of the Civil War. In other words if you tell a boneheaded fool that he can't do something or that he is wrong in what he's doing, and in the same breath tell him that you think you are better than he is, he will try even harder to do it with even more anger. What some non-Southerners are doing is not helping to solve the problems, and is only helping to prolong it. The self-righteous sense of superiority is an offensive weapon and it is meant to do harm, and those that fly that banner should be helping us to overcome these problems rather than making it more difficult for those of us who are trying to do just that.

do you really think these are things to be proud of?

I was inspired by our friends in Mississippi--

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2016/04/06/3767085/mississippi-travel-bans/

Then add in the repressed African American population. That is how you get maps like this.

The Calvinists have mostly given up on religion in the NE. Same with German Midwesterners, but some Catholic hold outs.

Look at similar maps of Europe and check out the Hajnal Line, then compare prosperous whites in the US to whites less prosperous. The ancestors of prosperous whites tend to be from prosperous spots in Europe.

Religion is a marker, not a cause.