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Archae

(46,340 posts)
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:20 AM Apr 2016

"Sovereign Citizen" blows his hands off with home-made explosive...

What an idiot.

Ohio 'Sovereign Citizen' Loses Hands To Homemade Bomb

Alphonso D. Mobley Jr. was allegedly building a bomb with a powerful, but unstable explosive that he was cooking in the kitchen of a vacant Columbus, Ohio house when it detonated, blowing off both hands.

Despite his injuries, the 26 year-old man was charged yesterday with possession and manufacture of a dangerous ordnance alongside 21 year-old Roberto M. Innis Jr.

Uninjured in the Tuesday morning blast, Innis called emergency services to the scene and later allegedly confessed to helping manufacture a dangerous ordnance.

Triacetone triperoxide, better known as TATP, is an old, but powerful explosive used by suicide bombers in the Paris attacks last year. Long known to extremists as ‘the mother of Satan,' it is easily set off by friction, static electricity, or flame.

While there is no word yet on where Mobley learned to make the compound, neighbors tell 10TV that both are ‘sovereign citizens,' a category that the FBI and other law enforcement agencies consider at least as dangerous as Islamic terrorists.

Most ‘sovereign citizens' are not violent. Some are merely deluded by tax avoidance schemes, while others are ‘paper terrorists' who use false liens and other instruments to commit fraud. Still others are just petty criminals, homeless squatters, or paranoid Dale Gribble characters who want to skip paying for a driver's license and car registration.

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/04/ohio-sovereign-citizen-loses-hands

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"Sovereign Citizen" blows his hands off with home-made explosive... (Original Post) Archae Apr 2016 OP
They spell it out: most aren't dangerous - just stupid and crooked IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #1
And some, I assume, are good people. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #19
We could always reopen state mental health facilities. Warpy Apr 2016 #53
"most aren't dangerous", should be changed to Javaman Apr 2016 #28
"Most ‘sovereign citizens' are not violent. " Except for the ones that will kill you. jtuck004 Apr 2016 #2
But it's the muslims we have to worry about! (n/t) thesquanderer Apr 2016 #20
It would appear reading the manual was not enough. Needs more hands-on training. Glassunion Apr 2016 #3
Not any more skepticscott Apr 2016 #5
afraid not... But you've got to hand it to him, he did try. Glassunion Apr 2016 #9
His friend fingered him as the mastermind. tabasco Apr 2016 #18
The local police have to hand it over to the ATF. Glassunion Apr 2016 #46
Not the optimum outcome, but I do have to give him a thumbs-up for effort. hatrack Apr 2016 #50
If he had lost his nut sack, I would vote a full-Darwin for him. /nt NCjack Apr 2016 #32
He can at least make a face plam d_legendary1 Apr 2016 #42
LOL. Duzy! JimDandy Apr 2016 #7
A chemistry degree from an ACS accredited college would have helped. /nt NCjack Apr 2016 #27
Definite fail. Initech Apr 2016 #4
This is a case in which we can say: "good!". Helen Borg Apr 2016 #6
You gotta hand it to him...(No, really, you do now). No sympathy. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #8
So what do anti-government nuts who are sick of their money being "wasted" do when Takket Apr 2016 #10
This is the "hands off" policy for sovereign citizens. immoderate Apr 2016 #11
It's funny, until someone gets hurt...then it's hilarious. Hoppy Apr 2016 #12
At the risk of ratcheting up the "EWW," factor Fritz Walter Apr 2016 #13
No problem! Human101948 Apr 2016 #33
It looks like you need at least one finger to work the controls on that thing. -none Apr 2016 #56
How much do you want to bet that he also has no health coverage of any kind, SheilaT Apr 2016 #14
Alphonso "Lefty" Mobley! Beach Rat Apr 2016 #15
Could you imagine the coverage this would get if his name were Mohamed?? maxrandb Apr 2016 #16
It's nothing new either. Archae Apr 2016 #17
"Despite his injuries, the 26 year-old man was charged..." Grins Apr 2016 #21
"Sovereign Citizen" immediately calls taxpayer-supported 911 when he's in trouble. NBachers Apr 2016 #22
His 1st Question to the Doctor: How am I going to pick the boogers out of my nose? JunkYardDogg Apr 2016 #23
No problem! Human101948 Apr 2016 #34
Lemme guess Fritz Walter Apr 2016 #40
it is a good thing for him that the jokes write themselves SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #24
In the Spring, DUers' fancy lightly turn to thoughts of Fritz Walter Apr 2016 #41
Maybe he didn't want to leave any finger prints? yortsed snacilbuper Apr 2016 #25
So close and yet so far. nt awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #26
Who do the 'sovereigns' call? Government emergency services. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #29
He shall be called Stumpy from now on. Chicago1980 Apr 2016 #30
How did they book him? Could they find enough finger tips to get prints? /nt NCjack Apr 2016 #31
Facial recognition will work until he blows his head off... Human101948 Apr 2016 #36
I'm hoping for The Full Fring hatrack Apr 2016 #51
If the police are anything like those here So Far From Heaven Apr 2016 #37
Should be interesting how they handcuff him later on...... (nt) So Far From Heaven Apr 2016 #35
He was planning to rob a bank or armored car pinboy3niner Apr 2016 #38
Unlikely he'll do it again. Some people are very slow learners. Vinca Apr 2016 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author d_legendary1 Apr 2016 #43
I thought he blew off both. Oh well, it's bound to be harder next time. Vinca Apr 2016 #44
He did blow off both hands d_legendary1 Apr 2016 #45
That's gonna reduce his typing speed. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #47
Not really. He's a hunt'n pecker Fritz Walter Apr 2016 #49
You mean the one where he finds where it landed and has to pick it up with his mouth? Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #57
This "Sovereign Citizen" business is getting out of hand. NBachers Apr 2016 #48
"While there is no word yet on where Mobley learned to make the compound" Blue Dalek Apr 2016 #52
He's proved he learned to make it. He's also proved he's an idiot struggle4progress Apr 2016 #55
Soebody should give him a hand with that mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #54
an incomplete darwin. pansypoo53219 Apr 2016 #58
And I just read about another one of these assholes, who was keeping 4 women as slaves. Archae Apr 2016 #59
Whenever I hear people describing themselves as 'Sovereign Citizens..' MrScorpio Apr 2016 #60
 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
1. They spell it out: most aren't dangerous - just stupid and crooked
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:49 AM
Apr 2016
Most ‘sovereign citizens' are not violent. Some are merely deluded by tax avoidance schemes, while others are ‘paper terrorists' who use false liens and other instruments to commit fraud. Still others are just petty criminals, homeless squatters, or paranoid Dale Gribble characters who want to skip paying for a driver's license and car registration.


thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
19. And some, I assume, are good people.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:25 PM
Apr 2016

How do we build a wall to keep these guys away from the rest of us?

Warpy

(111,319 posts)
53. We could always reopen state mental health facilities.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:22 PM
Apr 2016

A lot of them would probably benefit greatly from rumps full of Thorazine.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
2. "Most ‘sovereign citizens' are not violent. " Except for the ones that will kill you.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:21 PM
Apr 2016

Google search for "sovereign citizen shooting"

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2010 West Memphis police shootings. Two police officers in West Memphis, Arkansas were shot and killed during a traffic stop on May 20, 2010. Police
identified and killed two suspects, identified as Jerry Kane, Jr., and his son, Joseph Kane. The two were later identified as members of the sovereign citizen movement.
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Nov 25, 2014 - On the most basic level, sovereign citizens don't believe in taxes, ... prior to the May 2010 shooting, and he wasn't going to take another one.
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2010 West Memphis police shootings. Two police officers in West Memphis, Arkansas were shot and killed during a traffic stop on May 20, 2010. Police identified and killed two suspects, identified as Jerry Kane, Jr., and his son, Joseph Kane. The two were later identified as members of the sovereign citizen movement.
Minn. man accused in Black Lives Matter shootings reportedly
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../minn-man-accuse...The Washington Post
Dec 1, 2015 - A police officer who knew him said that Allen Scarcella believed in the intensely anti-government ideology of "sovereign citizens."
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West Memphis Chief Bob Paudert interviewed about fatal shooting of son by sovereign citizens last year. As I have written previously, so-called Sovereign Citizens are an increasingly-concerning segment of the population for law enforcement. Well, they were the subject of segment on CBS' '60 Minutes' last night.
Deadly Arkansas Shooting By Sovereign Citizens Jerry Kane
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The strange subculture of the sovereign citizens movement, whose adherents hold truly bizarre, complex antigovernment beliefs, has been growing at a fast ...
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Jun 8, 2015 - After the Monday shooting, the home burst into flames and burned to ... In the last 15 years, sovereign citizen extremists have killed seven law ...

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
46. The local police have to hand it over to the ATF.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:38 PM
Apr 2016

It's nice to see the feds and local police working hand in hand on this.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
6. This is a case in which we can say: "good!".
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:41 PM
Apr 2016

Without this happening, he might have injured other people.

Takket

(21,607 posts)
10. So what do anti-government nuts who are sick of their money being "wasted" do when
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:48 PM
Apr 2016

one of them blows his hands off?

Well, call a taxpayer funded paramedic of course!!!!

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
13. At the risk of ratcheting up the "EWW," factor
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:56 PM
Apr 2016

He's finding out who his real friends are: someone's going to be on toilet paper duty for him for the rest of his life.

-none

(1,884 posts)
56. It looks like you need at least one finger to work the controls on that thing.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:07 PM
Apr 2016

Then there is the dropping the pants and getting them back up and zipped back us and stuff.
How about then he has to take a leak?
This is getting too much to think about.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
14. How much do you want to bet that he also has no health coverage of any kind,
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:00 PM
Apr 2016

since he's totally opposed to Obamacare? And now he'll expect to get all the serious medical attention he now needs paid for by someone else, i.e. the Government? Which will of course, include prostheses for the rest of his life.

I think for someone like that, they should just bandage the stumps, give him a week's script for pain killers, and send him home. That's more than enough.

Beach Rat

(273 posts)
15. Alphonso "Lefty" Mobley!
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:00 PM
Apr 2016

Sorry, I couldn't resist. My brother-in-law is a police detective. These sovereign citizens scare the bejeezus out of the cops. He says you never know what your walking into. They're all armed. They're always getting served with warrants because they're getting charged with something from of one of their idiotic schemes like driving without license plates, having phony ID's and not showing up to court. One guy even made his own license plates. They're always belligerent. One guy in Kenilworth he had to pick up for not having a registration or insurance on his car said he didn't have to pay taxes because he was a diplomat from the "Kingdom of Heaven". You walk up to their house to serve a warrant for not showing up for a traffic ticket and you never know if they're going to start taking pot shots at you. Colorful.

On edit, I didn't read the article. He blew off BOTH hands. I guess that's Alphonso "Stumpy" Mobley. I guess he won't be doing math anymore.

Archae

(46,340 posts)
17. It's nothing new either.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:11 PM
Apr 2016

Remember when the Weather Underground lost half their membership, when their bomb-maker blew himself up?

Grins

(7,226 posts)
21. "Despite his injuries, the 26 year-old man was charged..."
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:31 PM
Apr 2016
"Despite his injuries, the 26 year-old man was charged..."

Well - yeah!

Are there no editors?

NBachers

(17,133 posts)
22. "Sovereign Citizen" immediately calls taxpayer-supported 911 when he's in trouble.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:32 PM
Apr 2016

"Sovereign Citizen" is rushed to taxpayer-supported medical care by emergency responders.

"Sovereign Citizen" will now expect taxpayer supported government care for the rest of his useless life.

Sounds like somebody I know- Military to Post Office to nice retirement- but he hates the government.

JunkYardDogg

(873 posts)
23. His 1st Question to the Doctor: How am I going to pick the boogers out of my nose?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:43 PM
Apr 2016

After all, a true sovereign citizen wouldn't eat none of that U.S.D.A. gobermint inspected meat

And just what were these fucks planning on blowing up? A planned parenthood clinic? A gay bar?
A glove manufacturing plant? A nail/manicure salon? A finger painting art studio?

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
40. Lemme guess
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:28 PM
Apr 2016

He's already started a GoFundMe page to pay for these (and the Murkan' bidet you showed above).
Gotta love Yankee enginuity.

Can we start calling him Garth Vader?

So Far From Heaven

(354 posts)
37. If the police are anything like those here
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:10 PM
Apr 2016

it's going to be a couple of years of discussion before they discover that isn't going to work.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
38. He was planning to rob a bank or armored car
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:15 PM
Apr 2016
Innis reportedly said that he and Mobley, 26, were members of the anti-government group Sovereign Citizens, and that Mobley wanted a bomb to use as a diversion during a bank or armored car robbery.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/04/07/suspected-bomb-maker-held-on-bond.html

Response to Vinca (Reply #39)

Blue Dalek

(178 posts)
52. "While there is no word yet on where Mobley learned to make the compound"
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:20 PM
Apr 2016

I would say he has *not* learned to make the compound.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
54. Soebody should give him a hand with that
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:42 PM
Apr 2016

Unfortunately, he won't be able to drive in California - you need at least one middle finger to be able to do that here.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
60. Whenever I hear people describing themselves as 'Sovereign Citizens..'
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

Without a doubt, they're trying to justify some act of assholery that they're about to commit.

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