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babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:32 PM Apr 2016

Obama can appoint Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court if the Senate does nothing

Obama can appoint Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court if the Senate does nothing
By Gregory L. Diskant April 8 at 9:01 PM

Gregory L. Diskant is a senior partner at the law firm of Patterson Belknap Webb & Tyler and a member of the national governing board of Common Cause.


On Nov. 12, 1975, while I was serving as a clerk to Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall, Justice William O. Douglas resigned. On Nov. 28, President Gerald R. Ford nominated John Paul Stevens for the vacant seat. Nineteen days after receiving the nomination, the Senate voted 98 to 0 to confirm the president’s choice. Two days later, I had the pleasure of seeing Ford present Stevens to the court for his swearing-in. The business of the court continued unabated. There were no 4-to-4 decisions that term.

Today, the system seems to be broken. Both parties are at fault, seemingly locked in a death spiral to outdo the other in outrageous behavior. Now, the Senate has simply refused to consider President Obama’s nomination of Judge Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court. Meanwhile, dozens of nominations to federal judgeships and executive offices are pending before the Senate, many for more than a year. Our system prides itself on its checks and balances, but there seems to be no balance to the Senate’s refusal to perform its constitutional duty.

The Constitution glories in its ambiguities, however, and it is possible to read its language to deny the Senate the right to pocket veto the president’s nominations. Start with the appointments clause of the Constitution. It provides that the president “shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint .?.?. Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States.” Note that the president has two powers: the power to “nominate” and the separate power to “appoint.” In between the nomination and the appointment, the president must seek the “Advice and Consent of the Senate.” What does that mean, and what happens when the Senate does nothing?

In most respects, the meaning of the “Advice and Consent” clause is obvious. The Senate can always grant or withhold consent by voting on the nominee. The narrower question, starkly presented by the Garland nomination, is what to make of things when the Senate simply fails to perform its constitutional duty.

It is altogether proper to view a decision by the Senate not to act as a waiver of its right to provide advice and consent. A waiver is an intentional relinquishment or abandonment of a known right or privilege. As the Supreme Court has said, “?‘No procedural principle is more familiar to this Court than that a constitutional right,’ or a right of any other sort, ‘may be forfeited in criminal as well as civil cases by the failure to make timely assertion of the right before a tribunal having jurisdiction to determine it.’?”

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Obama can appoint Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court if the Senate does nothing (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2016 OP
Waiving "advice and consent" k8conant Apr 2016 #1
Yes. This seems viable. It'd be litigated, of course. Hortensis Apr 2016 #36
Every president has left office without making nominations onenote Apr 2016 #38
That's the other argument and the traditional Hortensis Apr 2016 #39
It's not really new nor is it unique onenote Apr 2016 #41
You may turn out to be right, but I'm Hortensis Apr 2016 #44
+ thousands! Now if he would exercise the power and let them yell. They abdicated, they can shraby Apr 2016 #2
There is no such power for the President to exercise. onenote Apr 2016 #8
Correct SCantiGOP Apr 2016 #11
No, the President can make a recess appointment to the SCOTUS onenote Apr 2016 #12
Disagree SCantiGOP Apr 2016 #13
Wrong. onenote Apr 2016 #29
Does this mean that it would be a permanent appointment? jwirr Apr 2016 #3
No Reter Apr 2016 #4
Should be permanent since they don't want to do their job and would be by-passed because shraby Apr 2016 #5
If Obama tried this, it would be forcing a constitutional crisis for sure Volaris Apr 2016 #25
You couldn't be more wrong about the outcome if this went to the Supreme Court onenote Apr 2016 #31
K&R 2naSalit Apr 2016 #6
Diskant should stick to his specialty, which isn't constitutional law onenote Apr 2016 #7
no one believes you were at Columbia, dude, thats just selfserving crapola thesteelgeneral3 Apr 2016 #32
Hey "dude", no one believes you are omniscient onenote Apr 2016 #34
I'm also an attorney, and Onenote's analysis is entirely correct. branford Apr 2016 #43
Democrats refused to act on many GOP pres nominations, esp. during Bush's term. Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #55
Yes, it is shameful. I goggled and googled him. Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #54
George W Bush would have LOVED this theory (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #9
Yeah, no one is going to buy this argument, though. Nt hughee99 Apr 2016 #10
Can any Justice swear him in greiner3 Apr 2016 #14
The oath can be given by anyone. former9thward Apr 2016 #28
Before he can be sworn in, the President has to issue a "commission" onenote Apr 2016 #30
Bullshit! Both Parties are NOT at fault. nt Umbral18 Apr 2016 #15
I'm Glad I'm Not the Only One Who Saw That Leith Apr 2016 #19
Exactly! Nitram Apr 2016 #21
Stopped reading at "Both parties are at fault" fbc Apr 2016 #16
"Outrageous behavior" from democrats AllyCat Apr 2016 #17
Using facts, probably Volaris Apr 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Hekate Apr 2016 #18
"Outrageous behavior" Liberalagogo Apr 2016 #20
Pray tell, Where or what is this "outrageous behavior" done by democrats? Sick of bothsiderism bjobotts Apr 2016 #22
Absolutely.... Tikki Apr 2016 #24
"Both partie are at fault"!? What bullshit. apnu Apr 2016 #23
I'll bet the old guard GOP would secretly like this LiberalLovinLug Apr 2016 #27
THE PRESIDENT CAN APPOINT JUDY GARLAND AS A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE Jeffersons Ghost Apr 2016 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author tritsofme Apr 2016 #35
I'd prefer if he did not sit on the Supreme Court. LS_Editor Apr 2016 #37
In that case, he can appoint anyone he damn well pleases. Iggo Apr 2016 #40
This could get interesting. DCBob Apr 2016 #42
This particularly strategy won't be interesting onenote Apr 2016 #46
Yeah, but so what? Recess appointments expire. struggle4progress Apr 2016 #45
Just absurd, especially in light of the NLRB case so recently. Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #47
+1 onenote Apr 2016 #49
Fine by me n/t eridani Apr 2016 #48
President Obama ought to run with this treestar Apr 2016 #50
I was the sole forum member to forward this viewpoint weeks ago and was the recipient of Trust Buster Apr 2016 #51
Just as a reminder melm00se Apr 2016 #52
They can take it to the Supreme Court rock Apr 2016 #53

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
36. Yes. This seems viable. It'd be litigated, of course.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:38 PM
Apr 2016

BUT, the sitting president has a right and duty to appoint justices during his term, and if the Senate refuses to act within the term, the president should proceed to perform his duty...

This interpretation would also fix the serious problem that has arisen of one party denying the president of an opposing party his nominations with the intention of passing them on to a new president of their own party.

Thanks, Babylonsister. This was really interesting to read.

onenote

(42,737 posts)
38. Every president has left office without making nominations
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:25 PM
Apr 2016

to fill vacancies arising during their presidency. Do you think the president violates some Constitutional duty as a result?

Of course not. There is a Constitutional expectation that the president will offer nominees to fill vacancies on the Supreme Court, the lower courts, ambassadors, cabinet posts and any one of the 1000 other presidentially appointed offices that require Senate confirmation. But not an enforceable duty or obligation. (And, yes, per the Constitution, the appointments clause applies with equal measure to all of those offices).

This idea that the President can "appoint" someone to an office that requires Senate confirmation without getting such confirmation (and without the conditions being met for a recess appointment) is totally absurd. The "appointment" occurs, by law, when the President signs and conveys to the nominee, after his/her confirmation, a "commission" to serve. It is only after the commission is signed appointing the nominee that he/she can take the oath of office and begin to serve.

By the way, the fact that there is a recess appointment clause in the Constitution is further evidence that the article's author doesn't know what he's talking about. If the President could appoint someone without Senate confirmation when Congress is in session but not acting, there would be no need for a recess appointment clause allowing the President to appoint someone without confirmation when Congress doesn't act because they're out of session.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
39. That's the other argument and the traditional
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 03:11 PM
Apr 2016

interpretation that worked acceptably before the GOP's determined to block this nomination an entire year until this president has left office. This is new. This is a new, very serious problem that will force the courts to come up with a solution.

Though it's of course true that vacancies for lesser offices do open up all through a term and may not all be filled, that is not true for seats on the Supreme Court. This situation is very different. Republicans have introduced a big change that will itself cause/force further change. Unless they back off.

onenote

(42,737 posts)
41. It's not really new nor is it unique
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 06:26 PM
Apr 2016

Again the Constitution doesn't single out the Supreme Court for different treatment under the appointments clause than other positions. And since the number of justices is set by congress and the court has operated at less than full strength in the past, it is hard to make the case that having a lengthy vacancy on the court is more significant than having a cabinet post vacant or an ambassadorship.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
44. You may turn out to be right, but I'm
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 08:38 PM
Apr 2016

inclined to think (as usual, and I've certainly been wrong about this exact thing before) that problems have finally reached the stage that they are likely to be be dealt with. So much depends on this election, possible/totally impossible -- for now.

The past does not predict the future, of course, and a decade feels like a long time to most of us, instead of the too brief time for big change that it typically is. I remember an expert in such things telling me back around 2009 or so that the expected delay for a second possibility for national healthcare reform was about the (?) 17 years or so that it turned out to be. He was pleased at how events once again seemed to verify a big time pattern that had been noted long before.

We'll see. In time.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
2. + thousands! Now if he would exercise the power and let them yell. They abdicated, they can
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:40 PM
Apr 2016

yell on shaky ground. Goes for the rest of the nominations to the lower courts!

onenote

(42,737 posts)
8. There is no such power for the President to exercise.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:10 PM
Apr 2016

The President exercised his power by sending a nomination to the Senate. If the Senate approves the nomination, the "appointment" step takes place when the President signs the appointee's "commission".

Diskant's article is the work of someone who should stick to his specialty, which isn't constitutional law.

onenote

(42,737 posts)
12. No, the President can make a recess appointment to the SCOTUS
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:51 PM
Apr 2016

But there is no recess of sufficient length to allow for recess appointments at the moment, nor is it likely that there will be one between now and the start of the next Congress

onenote

(42,737 posts)
29. Wrong.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:14 PM
Apr 2016

Consult your copy of the Constitution:

"The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session."

"All" means all. And, indeed, three supreme court justices: Brennan, Warren, and Stewart were first named to the Court via the recess appointment route (and then were subsequently confirmed to lifetime terms).

Moreover, recess appointments have been used to appoint Article III judges over 300 times, beginning with George Washington's use of the recess appointment power to appoint nine federal judges during his time in office.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
3. Does this mean that it would be a permanent appointment?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:41 PM
Apr 2016

I can see some benefit in a temporary appointment - we would have a majority until the appointment ended and could no doubt make some really needed changes.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
25. If Obama tried this, it would be forcing a constitutional crisis for sure
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:27 PM
Apr 2016

It's one that he would likely WIN, however, because it would go to a Supreme Court without a fourth conservative justice (scalia being dead is the reason this would be happening, after all) and Beyers and possibly Kennedy would side with the liberals here, and tell the Senate 'yeah, if you want to do your job you would have such and such number of days to issue advice and consent, and if you don't the President gets his nominee'...something to that effect. Which would kick it back into the Senate, which would just say no to this guy, and then the process would begin again, and again, until next january.

Yes, the president probably win that legal argument. Seeing as it would be mostly a phyrric victory anyway, there's not much point in wasting the resources OR the political capital when instead, he can just leave the Republican Senate to do what they do best and use that as a very heavy bludgeon come general election campaign time. I don't agree with everything this President has done in terms of policy positioning, but I'll give him credit for being Not Stupid. It's an improvement over the last occupant, at least.

onenote

(42,737 posts)
31. You couldn't be more wrong about the outcome if this went to the Supreme Court
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:39 PM
Apr 2016

The liberals on the Court aren't partisan hacks as you seem to believe. They know that unless and until the Senate confirms a nominee, the President can't issue the required "commission" necessary for the administration of the oath of office. (Which is why this is all entirely hypothetical, since Obama clearly understands what the Constitution requires as well). Just as the vote rejecting Obama's NLRB recess appointments was unanimous, so too would the vote on this issue.

onenote

(42,737 posts)
7. Diskant should stick to his specialty, which isn't constitutional law
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:10 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:54 PM - Edit history (1)

One of the most shallow legal arguments I've seen in a while. Diskant and I attended the same law school (Columbia) just a few years apart and his article is an embarrassment to our alma mater.

To start with, there are written records of the discussions that led to the advice and consent clause. Those records show that the framers considered and expressly rejected an approach under which Presidential appointments would become effective unless the Senate affirmatively acted to "veto" them. Instead, the framers chose to adopt the "Massachusetts" approach -- an approach that was well known as allowing nominations to become effective only if affirmatively approved and as allowing that approval to be withheld by simply not voting at all.

Beyond the historical record that undermines Diskant's argument, there is the simple practical consideration: the advise and consent clause applies not just to Supreme Court nominations but to literally a 1000+ positions that are filled by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate. If he is right that the Senate has a duty to affirmatively act (by approving or disapproving) a nomination, then it would also follow that the President has an affirmative duty to make nominations. But vacancies often go unfilled for extended periods of time. Is there some previously unknown Constitutional standard by which the Senate can usurp the Presidential power to nominate if the President fails to act within some period of time? What period of time? And what about those 1000+ other nominations. What is the standard of time before Senate inaction on each of those is deemed to be a waiver?

Diskant's nonsensical argument would open the door for the courts to have to rule on every single presidential appointment that isn't acted on by some arbitrary deadline that the courts would have to set since its not found anywhere in the Constitution or statute. Its absurd.

32. no one believes you were at Columbia, dude, thats just selfserving crapola
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:58 PM
Apr 2016

1 those records are NOT the constitution, so to consider them is not required.
2 on none of those 1000s did they refuse to hold hearings with the FLAWED REASONING: "During the last year of YOUR term, your nominations are of no value, it's democratic, just and fair to wait for the NEXT election."
That's pure racism: the black president has no right to nominate in his last year but the white one does??
Aside from everything else: THAT is not in the Constitution!!!!!

onenote

(42,737 posts)
34. Hey "dude", no one believes you are omniscient
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 09:01 AM
Apr 2016

despite your assertion that you know what everyone else believes.

Whether you believe I went to Columbia or not, it's pretty clear that you (1) didn't go to law school; (2) went to a very bad law school; or (3) went to a good law school and slept through three years.

Just as the legislative history of a statute can be and is used as a interpretive tool when the language of the statute does not unambiguously resolve an issue, the history of the deliberations of the framers of the Constitution can be and are used as a interprettive tool when the language of the Constitution does not unambiguously resolve an issue.

And the President did nominate someone. The Senate is refusing to confirm that nominee. The Constitutional doesn't expressly require meetings, hearings, or even a vote on a Presidential nominee. Throughout history, numerous presidential nominations have expired or been withdrawn because the Senate failed to act on them, just as many Presidents have failed to nominate anyone to fill vacancies that exist during the end of their terms of office. The fact that this situation involves a Supreme Court vacancy makes it unusual, but the Constitution doesn't distinguish between Supreme Court nominees and ambassadors, other public Ministers and Councils, "and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law."

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
43. I'm also an attorney, and Onenote's analysis is entirely correct.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 07:29 PM
Apr 2016

Despite your beliefs to the contrary, these issues aren't particularly difficult or controversial, and wholly consistent with checks and balances enforced by strict separation of powers.

Simply, there's a reason why Obama hasn't tried to sit Garland without Senate confirmation or an appropriate Congressional recess, and if he tried, he would be quickly smacked down by a likely unanimous SCOTUS, just like what occurred with his NLRB recess appointment.

http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/06/court-strikes-down-recess-appointments-in-plain-english/

Obama has every right to nominate whomever he wants for a vacancy on the Court. Congress need not act on such nominee, and its reasons for inaction are totally irrelevant. In fact, Democrats have even advocated for precisely the same thing as the Republicans are now doing, just ask ask Vice-Present, and former Senator, Biden.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
55. Democrats refused to act on many GOP pres nominations, esp. during Bush's term.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:11 AM
Apr 2016

People who even think this is a good idea should think about that.

The Senate has separate powers. It is not just this sitting court that won't contravene them - I cannot imagine ANY court contravening them.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
54. Yes, it is shameful. I goggled and googled him.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:09 AM
Apr 2016

The SC has spoken, 9-0. It has said what it won't do.



 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
14. Can any Justice swear him in
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:02 PM
Apr 2016

Or only Roberts? If it's the latter do you think this would work. If the former

former9thward

(32,064 posts)
28. The oath can be given by anyone.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:04 PM
Apr 2016

You could swear in the President or any Justice if that's who they wanted.

onenote

(42,737 posts)
30. Before he can be sworn in, the President has to issue a "commission"
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:35 PM
Apr 2016

And if there is one thing that is certain, it is that President Obama, who apparently is a better Constitutional scholar than Mr. Diskant (who is a litigator specializing in complex commercial matters, not constitutional law),won't be signing a commission for a supreme court nominee (or any other nominee) that hasn't received the required confirmation of the Senate.

Leith

(7,813 posts)
19. I'm Glad I'm Not the Only One Who Saw That
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:49 PM
Apr 2016

The blatant absurdity of that threw a shadow over the whole article.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

 

Liberalagogo

(1,770 posts)
20. "Outrageous behavior"
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:58 PM
Apr 2016

"Both parties are at fault, seemingly locked in a death spiral to outdo the other in outrageous behavior."

Name one "outrageous" thing the Democrats have done, Gregory.

I can wait.

 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
22. Pray tell, Where or what is this "outrageous behavior" done by democrats? Sick of bothsiderism
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:00 PM
Apr 2016

Only one party has become extremists, radical and outrageous...the republican party.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,175 posts)
27. I'll bet the old guard GOP would secretly like this
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:37 PM
Apr 2016

Save them the political backlash of being seen as once again not doing their jobs. They have to put up a front to appease their more radical bagger base, and tea bagger fellow reps. But Merrick is a perfectly acceptable corporate leaning justice for them who even seems unclear on his stance on Citizens United.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
33. THE PRESIDENT CAN APPOINT JUDY GARLAND AS A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:05 AM
Apr 2016

AND REPUBLICANS CAN FOLLOW THE "YELLOW BRICK ROAD" OR FIND "STREETS PAVED WITH GOLD" IN THE AFTERLIFE! [appoint or kill Xi, immediately, fuck-ups... we r the 5th column satellites in China!]

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

onenote

(42,737 posts)
46. This particularly strategy won't be interesting
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 09:50 PM
Apr 2016

because there is no way Obama will try it.

And there is no way Garland would accept an "appointment" without confirmation.

struggle4progress

(118,320 posts)
45. Yeah, but so what? Recess appointments expire.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 09:16 PM
Apr 2016

I read a A March 2015 CRS report (pdf) as indicating that a recess appointment to the Supreme Court would probably expire at the end of the first session of the 115th Congress in January 2018

The Supreme Court term begins in October and winds up in June or July. An appointment today probably wouldn't affect the 2015/2016 term, because the appointee was not present for the case arguments. It would affect the 2016/2017 term. It probably wouldn't affect the 2017/2018 term much because the non-controversial cases would be handled first and the controversial ones would be settled after the appointment ended

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
47. Just absurd, especially in light of the NLRB case so recently.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 02:18 AM
Apr 2016

The argument advanced in this article is precisely what the SC said it would not do in that case, which is get into the inner dealings of the Senate.

No power can force the Senate to hold confirmation hearings. Indeed, in the past they have rejected some nominations without hearings, and there weren't always hearings.

This is literally, totally, bizarre.

The flipside of this argument is that if the President doesn't make a nomination quickly enough, then the Senate may go ahead and appoint its own nominee. Which is obvious nonsense.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
51. I was the sole forum member to forward this viewpoint weeks ago and was the recipient of
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:02 AM
Apr 2016

foolish condescension for my efforts. If the Republicans refuse to meet their Constitutiinal obligations, then the President should petition the Supreme Court to swear in his nominee. It could not have been the intent of the Founding Father's to have a co-equal branch of government put out of business by another branch of government. If the Republicans refuse to hold hearings foe a Democratic President on all levels of the federal court system, then the Democrats will do the same and the Judicial Branch will die on the vine. Force Roberts to weigh in. Exact a price.

melm00se

(4,993 posts)
52. Just as a reminder
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:25 AM
Apr 2016

IF Obama were to exercise this (not likely) AND it was found to be legal and Constitutional (also not likely), it would set a precedent.

I can absolutely guarantee you that the Republicans would leverage this precedent somewhere down the road and everyone here would rapidly achieve orbit.

A good solid test is "how would you react if the roles were reversed?".

rock

(13,218 posts)
53. They can take it to the Supreme Court
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:00 AM
Apr 2016

Which of course may be tied, but there is no lower court that has heard this question.

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