Can't wait for the next show!

employees all of a sudden, and then a refusal to refund fares after not being allowed to fly?

First the young black woman and now Cenk.

Guess they're talking their cues from the murderous cops who always claim "I feared for my life".

See #184:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027748664#post184

You want to throw a tantrum and get loud berating customer service reps at the gate, don't be surprised if they assume you'll be a problem on the flight, too... Captains have unlimited discretion on who they decide to leave or kick off the flight, and it's foolish to roll the dice with that potential consequence...

Gate agents and flight attendants are like umpires -- Some will absorb more abuse than others, but everybody has their "enough is enough" level before throwing the offender out of the game/aircraft...

The guy is an asshole (and no, not because of this).

either.

I have no comment either way.

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and there are some things that are very good

You end up slurring

buh by

I'd assume you mean the bigot pilot because Racism doesn't really belong on DU

That guy probably doesn't like Cenk b/c he routinely calls out Hillary's bs. Wait, I'm sorry, my tone was all wrong.

I just don't like Cenk. I think he's rude and condescending to his guests.

So.... he deserves to be thrown off a plane without compensation after complaining about a 4 hour delay.


Well, that makes sense!

He probably got kicked off the flight because he was rude to the gate agents. Now that's just an assumption on my part, I wasn't there.

And I damn sure am not going to feel sorry for this guy for going through what thousands of people have gone through who weren't obnoxious loudmouths to people just doing their jobs and have nothing to do with his flight being delayed. But I'm sure he'll get some really good views for his show when he eventually rants about this so in the end, he's really not hurt by this.

where he praises the gate agent as one of the 'hero's' of the whole situation.

Who knows if he didn't get into some sort of shouting match with the crew...

ETA: Just watched the video. Doubling down on the obnoxious blowhard assessment.

He's every service worker's nightmare.

Let's face it, if he didn't have a phone to record his ignorant rant and post it pump up his ego, he never would have said a word.

Instead he acts like a jackass at people trying to do their jobs. I would hate to have a job at an airport. There are so many stupid and rude ass people to deal with. What a shit bag.

Here, he was 'screwed passenger.'

The 'service workers nightmare' in effect here was "management's dicking around and not telling us anything while the customers are getting angrier and angrier (or making us feed them horseshit to mollify them --temporarily)."

Given the situation, there's nothing in that video where he was out of line to the AA personnel.

He was a rude, brutish bully. Nothing in the situation, which ALL passengers had to bear, justifies his obnoxious behavior.

The pilot was only following procedures in kicking him off the flight. Airline personnel are trained to take such action when a customer represents a threat of further in-flight misbehavior.

Just upped my membership to TYT!

followed by excessive rudeness... Time for you to be added to my IL.

Ta-Ta.

No.... you said

"Good! Fuck him."


So it's just "good" then.

And you want someone to have sex with him.

You got me there.

..... He can be a jerk.... and is actually in this instance. But y'know, the airline should never tolerate a 4 hour delay. They act like it's just too bad and business as usual (because it is!) Our taxes subsidize them enough....can't they get their planes to fly at least within an hour of their correct time? 4 hours????
And people who deal with customers must expect jerk behavior....for a 4 hour delay especially.

It should not be the norm.


But still, kicking him off is just petty revenge. A company who gets subsidized and just tolerated a 4 hour delay can afford to be uppity????

long anticipated vacation, Hawaiian Airlines delayed my flight 24 hours. A planeload of people spent the night at LAX while the airline jerked us around, providing little to no information, refusing to help us book other flights, and generally screwing us over. The hotel on the other end refused to refund us for the missed night and it took repeated calls and the involvement of the Better Business Bureau before Hawaiian made good on its promise of a $200 voucher toward a future ticket. Really crappy, shitful airline.

I thought he was incredibly tolerant at that hour of the night. I'd hate to hear what you'd call me in the same situation. Through the whole video I'm like "somebody start yelling already!"

I relieve it das by United, that I might be bumped to the next day --- but they were going to put me up in a hotel near the airport and give me a $200 credit. And they told me when I got to the gate that it might happen - and it didn't. Very, very fair - this was not.

He is a jerk, and rude and a LIAR, so allow me and loads of other liberals NOT to feel sorry for him. AT ALL

He was OK until he didn't kiss Queen Hillary's feet.

The Hillary claque needs a whole fleet of busses.

Many of us who didn't like Hillary, didn't like her from her days in the white house, and she never did anything to change our minds, only reinforce them.

Many of the Hillary supporters here now couldn't stand her when she was running against Obama, so they should be able to understand why many of us still can't stand her, even though they have now changed their minds.

How they could change their minds when she really hasn't changed at all is beyond me. Sure, she claims to have changed on certain issues, but it's obvious it's all political pandering.

It's as if they've just blocked those old emotions and beliefs out of their minds.

But now that there is a man who never "bothered" anyone, challenging her (and worrying her and her base that she might not win) all of a sudden, they are trying to find anything they can to hate him for. Nit picky, silly stuff.

It's like they are actively "seeking" reasons to hate him, when in fact there really isn't much you can disagree with him on. And he's a basically nice, honest guy.

It's just so baffling to me that their devotion to her, can make them hate Bernie so much, that they have to find things to justify it.

There has got to be some kind of name for this bizarre behavior.

And that we don't love Hillary...that we are not blind to the truths of who she really is, is just galling to them. Again, they have to justify to themselves that we are wrong and confused (or just hateful) to not feel the way they do about her.

Does politics have terminology to cover this?

It baffles me that anyone not on her payroll can tolerate her policies...and yes, her peeps do not like Cenk because he is all-in for Bernie...

irrational authority is based on emotional submission to another person, follower to leader. This is not because of a belief that the leader is competent, honorable, or principled, but more likely because of a perceived strength that the follower admires. Irrational authority is never challenged by the follower, and the follower will try to silence those that do challenge the authority, because it might expose the authority (leader) to be a fraud.

In some cases, it may be mostly a matter of people doting over someone they perceive as a celebrity, something Americans are overly obsessed with. Certainly that was the case with Sarah Palin.

Being a celebrity alone is not enough to keep my attention. I've never understood how Ronald Reagan ended up President, or Clint Eastwood ended up in local politics. Sarah certainly didn't have anything to offer besides looks and an energetic and cutsie personality that was attractive (apparently) to some. I'm thinking most people who would follow someone just for celebrity is probably pretty low education and IQ and inquisitiveness.

I don't picture that type of person participating in a political blog or forum.

I'd not read it before, and it made me realize something about many of the Hillary supporters on this site, and it also may explain why they keep trying to accuse Sander's supporters of being a cult for Bernie...Projection, if you will.

I see this in the way they treat Obama. I love Obama and support him on most things and give him a lot more credit for good than many people here do, but not completely because he has disappointed me too. I will always support him for the good he's done and for being a particularly outstanding person, but he's wrong on many things that push him toward the third way camp. He's not bold enough on progressive change. He is too slow to react to change that is really necessary, like LGBT rights and other issues, especially on economy.

He's not a God, but some Hillary supporters love him so much (I really do love this man) and support him so completely, they can't stand to hear a word of discouragement or criticism about him. They think we do this with Bernie, but I'm willing to ding Bernie when he screws up, just like I'm willing to ding Obama when he screws up. He just doesn't screw up very often. And it's possible that for these Obama supporters, they feel the same way, because they too are in the third way camp...but I think it's more than that.

So this is, I think, cult of personality for many people here...this Obama idolatry. JMHO

I don't care for TYT, but this is wrong.

except by paranoid racist assholes


sounds like a lawsuit to me.

YES, i agree: he's an asshole and a YUUUUUUUUUGE LIAR at that. Also, he beats up on tiny African-American girls who dare to be slightly outside the mainstream.

So, no not for his behavior here.

So he was being an ass for no reason

that customers can express their dissatisfaction too. When I have a complaint about a company, I'll usually first tell the service representative, whomever they may be, that I realize that they don't control the situation, but unfortunately, I need them to be the go-between for me and their bosses. I then try to calmly explain why I am upset, what I think is reasonable to expect, and how the company fell short of those expectations. I will never hold it against a person who is feeling highly emotional due to constant let-downs by a particular company however. I have been in the position of being really pissed and I can relate.

This is another reason why every job is valuable. Customer service reps should be paid for being the front-man for management who constantly find ways to increase their profits and salaries at the expense of the customer and the lower-level employees.

and generally acting like an ass is counter-productive. He made a fool of himself.

Does he think such behavior is positive?

He acted like a disruptive asshole to the gate agents who have no control over the flight. It's the captain's right and duty to keep people off the plane who seem like they're going to be trouble once in the air.

He's Exhibit A of why customer service jobs can really suck sometimes.

And one should know he comes with the territory. Maybe they should complain to the company for creating such delays.

It's still no reason to be kicked off the plane.

And I completely agree with you.

He has a right to be upset. The only thing American Airlines did was un-American. Clearly they look at his skin color and said "I feel uncomfortable". What they did has racism written all over it.

They're selling a product that should live up to a customer's expectations. Most flying ISN'T done for casual vacations - it's a matter of business usually. The airline offers to provide a seat at such an' such a time so that you - the customer - can be at a certain place of business in timely fashion. And so what??? You're just 'sposed to shrug your shoulders and accept that it wasn't to be? I'd be HOPPING mad if it were me.

Cenk - yeah he can be loud - he can go too far on occasion - but he's built the Young Turks into a phenomenon you can't deny. I give him a pass for some of his over-the-top stuff. TYT is some of the BEST DAMNED NEWS COVERAGE there is to see.

Tight limited data caps don't allow for video watching.

I wish someone had stuffed an uncooked potato in his big fat mouth to get him to stfu. The fuckery and frustration from some of the other vocal passengers didn't endear me to their delay either.

...so whose word was he going on as to who the "disruptive assholes" were?

Not the gate agent. The gate agent's supervisor, who had to be called in because of whatever the actual screw-up was.

There's nothing in the video that is inappropriate for people who have been waiting around for hours and had previously been told that that the delay would be for "15-20 minutes".

Cenk has numerous faults, but given the situation, there's nothing on the video he posted that was out of line.

he kept up the attitude until he boarded the plane he eventually got on, earning him the boot.

Airlines are the last place a grown man should be acting like a petulant child.

The headline is inaccurate.

It's incredibly frustrating, and very tempting to yell and complain, but that's really not going to achieve anything like magically make a replacement plane appear. And if you annoy the cabin crew enough, bad things can happen, as this incident shows.

So instead I read my book and sent a polite email to American customer service expressing my disappointment. I received an apologetic reply the next day and they gave me and my daughter 10,000 extra frequent flier miles each as a goodwill gesture.

As always, there's a right way and a wrong way to handle this kind of stuff.

ON EDIT: just watched the video and OMG that guy was such an obnoxious fucking asshole, yelling and cursing at low-level employees just trying to do their job. He deserved everything he got, and more.

The airline couldn't possibly be trying as hard as they can to serve their customers safely after something broke. No.

See, the gate agent made the plane be delayed on purpose. You know, because gate agents have so much power. And by swearing at them long enough, this man (who is obviously not a blowhard asshole or anything), made them regret their decision. Which is why another plane was brought out. Why, if it hadn't been for Cenk's heroic screaming, why those passengers might still be waiting even today, because gate agents don't just work for the corporatists, they ARE the corporatists! And corporatist is a word, too!

Alas, having been thwarted in their nefarious plan, they took out their frustrations on Cenk.

The good news is that when Bernie is President, this kind of deliberate keeping planes from taking people to where they need to go on time due to gate agent pique (and maybe mechanical failure), will be stopped dead in its tracks!!!1!! And you'll be able to swear as them as much as you want. Anything else would be corrupt.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

and busted ass even harder just to get him to shut up.

A true hero was the Cenk.

this time, because a lot of people were angry, and Cenk started filming it and finally trying loudly to get answers from a supervisor, who was finally called in, the supervisor got on the phone and they got a plane called out.

Cenk said all the morning flights were already booked, so if they had not gotten a flight out that night they would have been stuck there till later the next day, unless they could get on another airline.

Cenk did not start this, and he was not the first one shouting. there was a group shouting at each other for some time before he got involved, other than to film it. Why are you blaming this all on him? And are you sure that camera and all the shouting people are not why the supervisor finally got a plane out of the hangar.

For three hours at least, they were shuffled from gate to gate and told a plane was coming out, and it never did. Not until they started yelling and got a supervisor down there to make some calls and get it done.

Did it have to escalate like that? I'm not sure what AA's policies are, but it sounds like maybe this is kinda standard for them, and if so, maybe it was time to call them on it.

has disappeared from air travel. Something wrong, no service, disgusting food, rude flight attendants, uncomfortable cabin temp. Keep silent, like all passengers you travel in fear that a complaint will result in:
A: Emergency landing at nearest available airport.
B: A with TSA/FBI waiting.

Air travel has deteriorated into a cattle car experience. Anyone who can possibly afford it, or has enough frequent flyer miles, will travel "Business Class." But the airport facilities are still an unsettling experience.

Never heard of them except in Hillary bashing.

This guy doesn't even look young.

It't the most watched non-corporate owned media outlet that has a very liberal bias. Most Clinton supporters don't like TYT because they refuse to give Hillary a free ride.

Why take it out on people who can't do anything.

It really had nothing to do with him being upset with the delay. Which he had a right to be upset.

So I might look at it from a different perspective.

And doesn't like Cenk's genocide denial.

American Airlines was very very stupid.

Cenk Uygur Livestreams Himself Getting Kicked Off American Airlines Flight
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/04/young-turks-tyt-s-cenk-uygur-was-booted

Airlines are horrible. It's become cheaper and more-comfortable to drive from north of Portland, Oregon to Los Angeles (I've done it three times in the last four months, and will do it again in about a week).


If Cenk had driven, it would have taken him 40 hours of driving, but it would have been easier than the flight he didn't get.

I don't care about some guy yelling at a crew and not getting a flight.

Jokes on me I guess for clicking.

but since it's some minorly famous in some circles, it's a travesty that it happened to him.