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kentuck

(111,104 posts)
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:00 AM Apr 2016

When did the Democratic Party adopt the "super-delegate" system ?

I heard some talking head on a news show yesterday say that it started after the George McGovern disaster in 1972? The Party did not want that to ever happen again.

That makes it almost impossible for anyone outside the establishment to ever be the nominee.

The Republican Party has a similar method to choosing delegates but could be argued to have a somewhat more "democratic" method than the Democratic Party.

Both Parties nominating processes are being exposed in this election. The people's votes do not count as much as they may have thought, it seems?

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democrank

(11,096 posts)
2. These rules allow the establishment
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:06 AM
Apr 2016

to have the candidate of their choice. And, you can bet it will never be someone the grassroots supports.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
15. How often since the super delegates were created
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 02:08 PM
Apr 2016

Have they determined the outcome?

How often has the nominee with the greatest level of popular vote support been denied the nomination?

Answers: First question: arguably, but not clearly, 1984 when SDs helped Mondale hold off Hart. Mondale had more popular support.

Second question: 2008 when Obama won the nomination despite having garnered slightly fewer popular votes than Clinton. Obama did not need SDs to win.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
3. I don't see how the US can brag about its democracy, and then have the anointed overrule
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:19 AM
Apr 2016

the peoples vote. What we have now, often, are a bunch of career politicians and their cronies, and frankly some being grifters, worming their way back to feed at the money trough, to obtain power, and to favor their cronies.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
4. The Republican Party of Colorado did not even have a primary or caucus...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:23 AM
Apr 2016

They met with their appointed delegates in Colorado Springs and gave all their support to Ted Cruz. That's pretty bad.

LonePirate

(13,426 posts)
8. How dare you destroy a perfectly entertaining conspiracy theory!
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:02 AM
Apr 2016

Everybody on DU knows that superdelegates were implemented by Debbie the Devil and her DNC minions back in late 2015 with the specific purpose of thwarting Bernie in order to ensure the coronation of Hillary. We don't need facts like yours that completely destroy this theory because theories like this one fuel our rage!

BlueMTexpat

(15,370 posts)
6. Google is pretty helpful with this.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:17 AM
Apr 2016

For starters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate

And Tad Devine, Bernie's top campaign advisor, played a key role in their creation. http://www.forwardprogressives.com/dnc-didnt-sabotage-bernie-sanders-campaign-delegate-conspiracy/

For the record, a “superdelegate” is someone who’s free to support whoever they want regardless of how the primaries and caucuses go.

Fun fact: Tad Devine, a key Sanders advisor, is credited as the person who helped create the superdelegate system. So, that in and of itself sort of nullifies the idiocy of this “conspiracy.”

It’s rather ridiculous to claim a “conspiracy against Sanders” based upon a system that one of his top advisors created and defended.

surrealAmerican

(11,362 posts)
13. The first presidential election with superdelegates was 1984 ...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:15 PM
Apr 2016

... when Tad Devine "... went on to serve as Deputy Director of Delegate Selection in the nomination campaign of former Vice President Walter Mondale and Executive Assistant to the Campaign Manager in the 1984 general election ..." (as per Wikipedia).

Those superdelegates did come in handy for Mondale, yet the general election was as big a disaster as the Democratic Party has ever experienced.

I expect Mr. Devine had not anticipated working on an outsider's campaign at that time.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
10. It came out of the sixties when they let us vote for candidates instead of handing them down to us.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:37 AM
Apr 2016

The riots at the '68 convention, basically. They let us vote for our candidates, but they kept themselves a big lever on the result. We can change that if we want, but we'd have to get involved again.

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jwirr

(39,215 posts)
14. George McGovern's defeat was their excuse but there is more
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:16 PM
Apr 2016

to it than that.

By the early 70s the protesters had pretty much taken the election process out of the hands of the establishment just like today Bernie's supporters are trying to do in a political revolution.

The 1968 Democratic Convention was a great example of that when it broke out in police riots (run by Mayor Dailey). The establishment inside the convention won that round but the people won in 1972. The establishment used another way to have their way in 1972. They refused to help McGovern in his campaign. We lost and they used the lose to create super-delegates. Not just elected officials but others who no longer answer to the voters - Ex-politicians, DNC appointees, lobbyists, etc.

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