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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:38 PM Apr 2016

Data from the Edge of Space & Time Itself

Supermassive Black-Hole Jets Found Aligned in Same Direction

"Bizarre! Not Based on Current Understanding of Cosmology"


The Daily Galaxy, April 11, 2016



"Since these black holes don't know about each other, or have any way of exchanging information or influencing each other directly over such vast scales, this spin alignment must have occurred during the formation of the galaxies in the early universe," notes Andrew Russ Taylor, University of Cape Town, Director of the recently-launched Inter-University Institute for Data Intensive Astronomy.

Deep radio imaging by researchers in the University of Cape Town and University of the Western Cape, in South Africa, has revealed that supermassive black holes in a region of the distant universe are all spinning out radio jets in the same direction – most likely a result of primordial mass fluctuations in the early universe. The astronomers publish their results in a new paper in Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society. The new result is the discovery – for the first time – of an alignment of the jets of galaxies over a large volume of space, a finding made possible by a three-year deep radio imaging survey of the radio waves coming from a region called ELAIS-N1 using the Giant Metrewave Radio Telescope (GMRT).

The jets are produced by the supermassive black holes at the centers of these galaxies, and the only way for this alignment to exist is if supermassive black holes are all spinning in the same direction, says Taylor, joint UWC/UCT SKA Chair and principal author of the Monthly Notices study. This implies that there is a coherent spin in the structure of this volume of space that was formed from the primordial mass fluctuations that seeded the creation of the large-scale structure of the universe.

With study co-author – and UCT PhD student currently working at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro, New Mexico, USA – Preshanth Jagannathan, the team discovered the alignment after the initial image had been made. Within the large-scale structure, there were regions where the spin axes of galaxies lined up. The image below shows the deep radio map covering the ELAIS-N1 region, with aligned galaxy jets. The image on the left has white circles around the aligned galaxies; the image on the right is without the circles. (Russ Taylor)

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http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2016/04/supermassive-black-hole-jets-found-aligned-in-same-direction-bizarre-finding-not-based-on-current-un.html


Amazing news! We now have important information about what the early universe was like immediately after its birth. Symmetry formed from the chaos, leaving patterns after the Big Bang.

Science is so cool. New information is always welcome, as it adds to what we can THINK about.

Isn't that exactly like a Free Press to Democracy?
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Data from the Edge of Space & Time Itself (Original Post) Octafish Apr 2016 OP
This is way cool! 2naSalit Apr 2016 #1
Ours IS an amazing universe. Octafish Apr 2016 #2
In this case, we're not talking about intelligences exchanging information, lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #6
And in that case 2naSalit Apr 2016 #8
At the risk of making everything political. gordianot Apr 2016 #3
Love works in mysterious ways. Take Wells Fargo... Octafish Apr 2016 #4
There's something similar happening within our own galaxy lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #5
Amazing! Octafish Apr 2016 #10
The gravitational equivalent of magnetism, perhaps. bemildred Apr 2016 #7
Exactly. We see evidence of the action of gravity... Octafish Apr 2016 #11
Could be, takes a lot of energy though. bemildred Apr 2016 #12
The more we learn... roamer65 Apr 2016 #9
The pace of learning has sped up so incredibly, Hortensis Apr 2016 #14
obviously, this proves that Jesus doesnt want you to masturbate. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #13

2naSalit

(86,798 posts)
1. This is way cool!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:04 PM
Apr 2016

But I take issue with one statement...

"Since these black holes don't know about each other, or have any way of exchanging information or influencing each other directly over such vast scales..."


I wonder how he can be so certain of that. The universe is enormous and who, on our tiny planet, is to say that there is no communication between other intelligent whatevers out there?

Otherwise, this is awesome and reminds me of a micro example in a geologic sense. Most of our minerals contain some form of magnetic elements (basically iron) which, upon formation, were aligned with the planetary magnetic field as it was at that time creating a sort of time stamp on formations.

That this occurs - or is indicated to be so - on a macro scale this huge is truly informative.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
2. Ours IS an amazing universe.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:22 PM
Apr 2016

The idea that things can be separate in space and time and yet exchange information is way cool.



"Spooky Action at a Distance" Confirmed by New Quantum Experiment

IFLscience.com, March 31, 2015 | by Janet Fang

Albert Einstein may have been the greatest mind of the 20th century, but the great physicist famously disliked some of the weirder implications of quantum physics. Now, nearly a century after his protests, physicists may have proven one of the points that he doubted the most.

According to quantum mechanics, a particle can be described as a wave that spreads out over a great distance. Yet the particle is still just one particle. You can't detect it in two places at once. When physicists observe the particle in a particular location, they say that the wave function—the mathematics that describes how a particle could be in multiple places at once—has collapsed.

Einstein could not accept this. Or, at least, that he thought the quantum mechanics of his day could not adequately explain it, referring to the phenomenon with the now-iconic phrase "spooky action at a distance." But in new research published in Nature Communications, Griffith University's Howard Wiseman and colleagues use a single particle to show that the wave function really does collapse in this strange way. In so doing, their work backs up years of research into quantum entanglement, in which particles are connected in a mysterious way even when separated, so that observing or affecting one instantly affects the other.

Previous experiments had tested quantum entanglement with two particles, but the researchers wanted to get at Einstein's claim by entangling a single photon of light. They did this by firing a beam of photons into a splitter that cut each photon in two, sending half of the light to one lab and half to another lab.

Using a finely tuned homodyne detector—a tool used to measure the waves of these particles—Lab A tried to look for its photon and measure its phase. So did the scientists in Lab B. They found that if the Lab A researchers had detected the photon, then the Lab B researchers did not, and vice versa. Plus the photon state that Lab B detected depended upon what Lab A detected. That's exactly what you'd expect if the single split photon were entangled.

"Einstein's view was that the detection of the particle only ever at one point could be much better explained by the hypothesis that the particle is only ever at one point, without invoking the instantaneous collapse of the wave function to nothing at all other points," Wiseman says in a news release. "Through these different measurements, you see the wave function collapse in different ways, thus proving its existence and showing that Einstein was wrong."

SOURCE w/links: http://www.iflscience.com/physics/einsteins-spooky-action-distance-confirmed-new-quantum-experiment



And then we venture past infinity and find that we have come back to discover...

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." -- Albert Einstein

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
6. In this case, we're not talking about intelligences exchanging information,
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:51 PM
Apr 2016

rather the physical transfer of some force across that vast distance (billions of light years).

2naSalit

(86,798 posts)
8. And in that case
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:51 PM
Apr 2016

I stil wonder how he can say that with certainty... it just doesn't makes sense to me, it's such a massive assumption.

Other than that, it's way cool.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
4. Love works in mysterious ways. Take Wells Fargo...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:09 PM
Apr 2016
Photo inside the nuclear furnace in the Goldman Sachs system, busting big rocks into little ones.



...Like gravity, it's the weakest force in the universe and works across the greatest of distances if one is in a position to add a few trillion green quarks if you get my drift to UBS Switzerland which'll give back three quarks, keeping only two for the transaction. Goldic, really.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
5. There's something similar happening within our own galaxy
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:49 PM
Apr 2016

...so the phenomenon seems to cross a vast range of spatial scales (from human-scale in the lab, to cosmological distances)!

Mystery Alignment of 'Butterfly' Nebulae Discovered

Astronomers have discovered something weird in the Milky Way's galactic bulge -- a population of planetary nebula are all mysteriously pointing in the same direction.

While using the Hubble Space Telescope and the European Southern Observatory's New Technology Telescope (NTT) to survey 130 planetary nebulae situated near the hub of our galaxy, astronomers from the University of Manchester sorted them into three populations based on their shape: "elliptical," "either with or without an aligned internal structure" and "bipolar."

They noticed the mysterious alignment in the long axes of bipolar planetary nebulae.


Octafish

(55,745 posts)
10. Amazing!
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 10:44 AM
Apr 2016

From the article:



"This really is a surprising find and, if it holds true, a very important one," said Bryan Rees of the University of Manchester, co-author of the paper to appear in the journal Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society. "Many of these ghostly butterflies appear to have their long axes aligned along the plane of our galaxy. By using images from both Hubble and the NTT we could get a really good view of these objects, so we could study them in great detail."

The other two populations of planetary nebulae appear to be randomly oriented in relation to the galactic disk.

SNIP...

"The alignment we're seeing for these bipolar nebulae indicates something bizarre about star systems within the central bulge," said Rees. "For them to line up in the way we see, the star systems that formed these nebulae would have to be rotating perpendicular to the interstellar clouds from which they formed, which is very strange."

Interestingly, bipolar planetary nebulae do not appear to have a preferential orientation in our galactic neighborhood many thousands of light-years from the galactic core. The alignment effect only seems to act near the center of the Milky Way.

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http://news.discovery.com/space/astronomy/weird-planetary-nebula-alignment-discovery-hubble-eso-130904.htm


The more astronomers look, the more we all realize how much there is to learn.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
7. The gravitational equivalent of magnetism, perhaps.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:57 PM
Apr 2016

If gravity can drag, and make waves, it can spin too, you would think.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. Exactly. We see evidence of the action of gravity...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:20 PM
Apr 2016

On a cosmic scale: Quasars align.
On a galactic scale: Bipolar Planetary Nebulae align.
On a personal scale: We like to hang with Democrats.



It is amazing how the things appear from the energy soup and how quickly the universe expands after the Big Bang.

Like Pacific Islanders who can cross immense distances, telling where they are in the ocean based on the wave patterns -- which are formed and impacted by land masses, islands, weather, tides and currents.

Perhaps one day there'll be a gravity telescope to see those signs, bemildred!

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
12. Could be, takes a lot of energy though.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:15 PM
Apr 2016

If the gravitational equivalent of spin exists, than gravitational polarity would as well.

And negative gravity could be interesting.

But this is getting crazy.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. The pace of learning has sped up so incredibly,
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 08:03 PM
Apr 2016

though. I've read that a serious problem for those who want to explore the frontiers of knowledge is that it can now take years and years of learning to reach them. One result is that specialties are becoming far more narrow than they once were.

In any case, thanks for the reminder of the incredible wonders out there, Octafish.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
13. obviously, this proves that Jesus doesnt want you to masturbate.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:43 PM
Apr 2016

Checkmate, atheists!




Just wanted to get that in there.

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