they are both playing the old games. So are the Chinese. The last ones are new to the game.

this one. Enough of the fugging bullying of the entire planet.

it is international waters. As I said, BOTH are playing the games now. We are entering a new cold war.

wink wink.

We both know better and spare me the legalize.

Putin is not a saint, and has been doing overflights and testing western defenses for a few years now.

And we are doing the same shit.

That is the larger picture. So is Xi.

So spare me

I don't give a flying fugg about Putin. I do care that America is pissing off the entire planet.

this is a new cold war. You need at least TWO to tango.

The big picture is who is bullying the planet

http://time.com/4075458/afghanistan-drawdown-obama-troops/

sorry if I am not into only bad, bad colonialist uncle sam... ok.

I know the feeling, but it is not as simple as one single actor. Never has, never will.

China has plenty of online agents - working with satellites - to clean the internet in Western Nations and Russia!

the whole South China Sea is about that.

They know - they're sophisticated enough to scrape the margins.
The US is now worse than imperial Britain.

You claim they have no business there -- based on what?

up with warships 70 miles of any part of the US coastline.

Pause for a few minutes and think about the non-stop interference in everything (down to who enters which bathroom in one US state) - it's pissing off the world. Law doesn't matter - it never did - ask the poor Iraqis.

All that matters to empire is raw power and force.

I've had enough of it. I abhor it the way I hated British colonialism.
Pretend for a day that you're from somewhere else on the planet and take an objective look at this planet's reality in terms of power and force.

How much more does America want - seriously?

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from either Poland or Lithuania:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Kaliningrad,+Kaliningrad+Oblast,+Russia/@54.7117271,18.2233108,7z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x46e33d8d4b7c21a9:0x5050960016126ed3

It's international waters.

They were in international waters, having visited Poland, and doing an exercise with a Polish helicopter: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/13/russian-attack-planes-buzz-uss-donald-cook-baltic-sea

12 miles. "Under the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, territorial waters are waters extending up to 12 nautical miles from a coastal state, and they are considered to be within the jurisdiction of that particular state or 'territorial waters'."

Your argument is absurd.

You know we were operating close to an all, right? That little bullshit Russian enclave there on the Baltic does let them demand that Poland and the Baltic states don;'t get to interact with their ally. That's especially true since Russia has actually HAS put its troops in in the territory of it's former Imperial positions in violation of their sovereignty and international law.

I seriously do not understand the support given to Russia and Putin here. If the U.S. did this, these same folks would be decrying the "warmongers."